By the way, it sure would be nice to get an idea of how you train.
=)
[quote]JBraswell wrote:
Thanks for bringing it up, cirque. I’ve thought about trying before, but I was just too lazy. I, too, would like it if one of the resident gurus chimed in on this post.
wlfpak, I haven’t fought in a while because I took a little time off to develop my skills. However, there’s a good chance I’ll be fighting in TKO up in Montreal at the end of September.
Thanks to everyone else for posting.
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Good to see you around again. I haven’t seen you since 2003 at The Gainesville Gym. I take it that you’re still training around here? Or have you moved elsewhere?
[quote]carter12 wrote:
You’re right, there’s no way I can definitely say that lifting weights prior to grappling helped my game accelerate at a faster pace. However, I do see guys who sat on their ass and began training around the same time as me and I have gotten better at a faster pace. I see me taking down former all state high school wrestlers (when I get lucky) even though I had no prior wrestling experience. I see others whose shots are slow and weak while mine are much faster. I have to attribute that to heavy deadlifts and squats, because I am definitely not a fast guy or strong guy by birth. I also see me punching a lot harder than other guys who started training with me at the same time, even though my technique still sucks.
I just don’t see all of that happening if I hadn’t weight trained.
I respect your opinion and thoughts on this, just hard for me to believe that a good base level of strength isn’t necessary. Maybe that’s just my powerlifting and ex-football player mentality. Like I said, I’m new to this sport and have a lot to learn.
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The interesting part is that Jason did have a good strength base before he switched his style of training. Therefore, I stand by what I said in an earlier post. That building good base strength via powerlifting/etc. then switch as he did is probably ideal.
I’d still replace the machines with sleds ,tires and sludgehammer gpp etc.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
I’d still replace the machines with sleds ,tires and sludgehammer gpp etc.
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Like Fedor uses in his training? 
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
I’d still replace the machines with sleds ,tires and sludgehammer gpp etc.
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Yes, but would you be the middleweight champ?
American TV in Curitiba filming Wanderlei Silva Training!
Submitted by: Julio Heller
Posted On 07/26/2006
In the last week a team from American TV responsible for the production of the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) was visiting Curitiba to follow the training of the World-wide Champion Wanderlei Silva.
Beyond the fight trainings in the Chute Boxe Academy, the group filmed the physical training under the coordination of Physical Trainer Rafael Alejarra in the Gym that Silva built in his own house. The images will be showed in a special one hour show around the next UFC Event, planned for AUGUST in Las Vegas.
The material also will serve for the promotion of a possible fight between the Champion of the PRIDE, Wanderlei Silva and the American Champion of the UFC, Chuck Liddell
http://news.adcombat.com/article.html?id=11572
Seeing as we are talking about Rich’s workout, should be interesting to see how a warrior from a different country does it.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
I’d still replace the machines with sleds ,tires and sludgehammer gpp etc.
Yes, but would you be the middleweight champ?[/quote]
No I’d be the heavyweight Champ like Fedor.
Kidding of course. Look at one of my above posts where I said Franklin could whup my ass right after he completed his workout. Franklin is a freak and it probably wouldn’t matter what type of training he did.
Also, should add Martin Rooney to the roundtable…if it ever happens.
Anyways, this is a great thread and it’s great that people are considering/thinking about different ways to train. 
[quote]bigblue244 wrote:
American TV in Curitiba filming Wanderlei Silva Training!
Submitted by: Julio Heller
Posted On 07/26/2006
In the last week a team from American TV responsible for the production of the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) was visiting Curitiba to follow the training of the World-wide Champion Wanderlei Silva.
Beyond the fight trainings in the Chute Boxe Academy, the group filmed the physical training under the coordination of Physical Trainer Rafael Alejarra in the Gym that Silva built in his own house. The images will be showed in a special one hour show around the next UFC Event, planned for AUGUST in Las Vegas.
The material also will serve for the promotion of a possible fight between the Champion of the PRIDE, Wanderlei Silva and the American Champion of the UFC, Chuck Liddell
http://news.adcombat.com/article.html?id=11572
Seeing as we are talking about Rich’s workout, should be interesting to see how a warrior from a different country does it.[/quote]
Im sure ive seen a bit of that footage. Seems more specific/usuable than the franklin vid. He also does a guard attack bench press, punch and knee’s off the pully machines - all good stuff.
Silva’s an animal for sure.
Here’s some other tid-bits that may interest some of you. A while back I asked Martin Rooney about a similarly related issue. This is what he had to say:
[quote]Martin,
Hindsight being 20/20, how have your S&C methods changed over the years in training mma athletes?
Example: I may be mistaken, but you seem to focus a little less on limit strength now than than previously (At least thats the direction your Q&A have taken concerning mma S&C).
What else has training top MMA athletes taught you over the years?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Marc-Antoine,
Great to hear from you and great question. I am also glad to hear that you are following my work and my progress working with MMA.
As far as changing how I have written lately, that may be deceptive. Years ago when I started with many of the MMA athletes, their biggest weakness was their limit strength, so most fo the emphasis of training was put there. As they have progressed, now strength endurance has been their area of focus.
Now that is not to say that a new athlete coming to the facility will skip that. FOr instance, I have a WKA Muay Thai champion that is mostly limit strength at this time.
I will agree, however, that endurance work plays a much bigger role to me now that it did in the past.
Interestingly, as I have gotten more serious with my MMA training (jiu jitsu, wrestling, muay thai, and now judo) I am gaining more respect for what to do and at what times.
Definitely as I profess, when you are banged up, things dont stay to plan, so you must be flexible in training. For instance, the old me would plan out a month of training specifically, where now I allow for changes. If a fighter comes in with a swollen knee from a kick, the leg day that was scheduled will then be out.
Also mental training and strategic development has become a much bigger issue. I cover that in my book.
I also switched over the years from very combat specific training to more generalized strength and speed work. Let the fighters fight in the ring, you give them the strength, speed and conditioning, not MMA coaching (unless you are qualified).
I hope this helps, I know it is a rant, and there is definitely more, but it was fun to look back. [/quote]
I really enjoy reading his work because he has an insiders point of view. MR trains @ Renzo’s and I belive has recently taken up judo to help round out his game.
Here’s an except from Martin Rooney from an article published in GracieMag.
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Over the last few years, I have changed what I thought about endurance or energy system training. Years ago, I actually didn’t really put much stock in this style of training at all. I felt that just by performing your sport or your martial discipline, you would be getting the specific energy system work that you needed. Because of this belief, my training focused mostly on speed, strength and power work. When I started to work with a number of high level fighters, and started training in jiu jitsu myself, I saw that I had misled myself in this area. I now saw that specific endurance work was not only important, it was essential.[/quote]
Source:
Nate, no, I’m not around G’ville anymore. I moved to New York for about a year to start my trading career. While I was there I trained pretty religiously at Renzo’s. Now I live in Chicago, and I train at a number of places, Dino Costeas’s gym, Carlson Gracie’s (now run by Soneca), and Jabb Boxing.
Arcane, yes, I did have a ‘strength base’, but trust me, YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE how weak I am with weights now. Every now and then, I’ll pick up a couple of dumbells and do a few reps, just to see where I’m at. I’ve literally lost roughly half of my strength in the major lifts. However, I invite anybody who ever runs into Andrei Arlovski to him ask him how strong he thinks I am.
Also, I still look like I lift weights - I’ve preserved my muscle mass extraordinarily well given that I never, ever lift. It reinforces my belief that muscle size is what matters insofar as gym training is concerned. The rest is neuromuscular coordination, which is only built by doing your skill. My nervous system has forgotten how to bench press and squat, but it sure as hell knows how to hold side control.
One more thing, here’s a link to a bunch of abstracts investigating the issue of tranfser; it was posted over at mma.tv in a thread about transfer a long time ago.
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/dept/coachsci/mastable.htm
There may be problems with these studies, but collectively, they give one serious reason to doubt the existence of skill transfer.
Certainly, if anyone has any studies showing the opposite, I’d be very, very interested in seeing them.
Good thread. Here’s a video with some of Fedor’s training:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5944010850998227230&q=fedor+training
I find it hilarious that the heavyweight champion trains at a camping ground playground. Sledgehammering, kettleballs, road work, and bodyweight exercises seem to make up most of their training. I have also seen clips of Fedor doing judo throws and kicks/punches against band resistance.
While we’re at it. Here’s a MMA “roundtable” (ish) with Alwyn Cosgrove, Joe Dowdell, and Martin Rooney.
[quote]JBraswell wrote:
Nate, no, I’m not around G’ville anymore. I moved to New York for about a year to start my trading career. While I was there I trained pretty religiously at Renzo’s. Now I live in Chicago, and I train at a number of places, Dino Costeas’s gym, Carlson Gracie’s (now run by Soneca), and Jabb Boxing.
Arcane, yes, I did have a ‘strength base’, but trust me, YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE how weak I am with weights now. Every now and then, I’ll pick up a couple of dumbells and do a few reps, just to see where I’m at. I’ve literally lost roughly half of my strength in the major lifts. However, I invite anybody who ever runs into Andrei Arlovski to him ask him how strong he thinks I am.
Also, I still look like I lift weights - I’ve preserved my muscle mass extraordinarily well given that I never, ever lift. It reinforces my belief that muscle size is what matters insofar as gym training is concerned. The rest is neuromuscular coordination, which is only built by doing your skill. My nervous system has forgotten how to bench press and squat, but it sure as hell knows how to hold side control. [/quote]
Just out of curiosity, how has your diet changed over the years?
Yeah, Fedor has stated before that he doesn’t do any weight training.
My diet is as clean as ever; it’s one thing I’m meticulous about. I pretty much stick to a JB-style program, controlling my amounts rather intuitively.
I’ve recently starting trying to lean up a bit, as I intend to compete at 185 next time. I’ve lost about seven pounds so far simply by doing a few extra rounds of focus mitts and cutting out about 4 of the peanut butter sandwiches I tended to eat throughout the day. LOL. (Yes, all-natural PB with low-carb flax bread.)
[quote]JBraswell wrote:
It reinforces my belief that muscle size is what matters insofar as gym training is concerned. [/quote]
Hey Braswell, could you explain what you mean by this. Are you saying that an MMA figher’s weight room training should be geared towards hypertrophy?
Thanks a lot.
-carter
Yes, siree.
Can you think of another sport where you are continuously pushing yourself for whatever the max length a UFC fight could go? How long is it? 25 minutes? What is another sport where you are, for the most part, continously applying effort with most of your body? What do you think would happen to those fighters if they focused on powerlifting, as well as endurance?
Well we all know those mix like oil and water. And developing strength can help increase endurance in some instances, but would it help increase endurance to the point that it would be more beneficial than only training in an endurance zone? I think strength coaches ideas on MMA need some first hand experience. Most of MMA fighting is muscle action that would never be done by strength coaches because we are talking alot of isometrics, slow concentrics, this sort of thing, it doesnt matter how strong you are if your arms are seizing up at the end of the fight…
[quote]JBraswell wrote:
I’ve trained with a lot of top fighters, and hardly any of them train powerlifting/weightlifting style. Most train like Rich. (You won’t see GSP doing power squats on the next TUF; I can tell you that.)
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Yea…but what do they know, they are only professionals who do it for a living…