I see them done everyday, I incorporate them into my back workout, trying to maintain a good form.
Unlike benching where you know what the numbers mean, I cant get a feel for how i should be progressing in barbell rows. I see people in the gym using 225 and up, and somehow i feel their not hitting their back right. or do my lifts just need to get stronger.
depends how big u are in compared to them 95% of people in the gym im in could do with half the weight on the bar and doing good form rather then jerking the bar up with leg drive
Problem with barbell rows is its very easy to add extra poundage by cheating using leg and hip drive, or by making your torso a lot less than parallel to the ground. Try using one-arm dumbell rows instead, or lying on an incline bench then doing your rows, so then your numbers can actually mean you’ve progressed instead of just cheated more.
I think I read an article here that your 1RM for rows and bench press need to be roughly equal for scapular health. Can’t remember which article tho
that not the case in my gym lol theres one guy in there a lot he
benchs 3 plates a side
bent over rows 1 plate a side
squats 3 plates a side
stiff leg deadlifts 1 plate a side
deadlifts 3 plates a side
i thought there was ment to be a lot of differnece between the deadlift and bench press and squat and bench press
I’ve “done” weights that I consider pretty impressive, although at a higher bodyweight than I am now, and most likely with a little knee bounce at the beginning of each rep.
These days I usually do my Rows while holding 2 dumbells, as I just like the stretch I get at the bottom when they move closer together. I row them into my waist, not my torso, as I feel a much better contraction that way (Yates mentioned doing this somewhere). I typically do these strictly (holding a moment on top, and lowering slowly) with the 100’s, and if I use a Barbell, can do so very strictyly with 225. I have no doubt this is much better in the long run than when I would use a little body-english to throw up 265.
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[quote]sid132 wrote:
that not the case in my gym lol theres one guy in there a lot he
benchs 3 plates a side
bent over rows 1 plate a side
squats 3 plates a side
stiff leg deadlifts 1 plate a side
deadlifts 3 plates a side
i thought there was ment to be a lot of differnece between the deadlift and bench press and squat and bench press[/quote]
Lol that guys got a seriously weak ass lower body an back then, an’ll probs get himself injured eventually if he doesn’t do sumthin about it.
In my gym tho, theres a guy who just doesnt row. Or squat. Or deadlift. Ever. I’ve never seen him doin anything except smith machine bench press an smith machine curls, so I spose ur guys not quite as bad as they can be.
how the hell does one curl on a smith machine?
[quote]schaffer29 wrote:
In my gym tho, theres a guy who just doesnt row. Or squat. Or deadlift. Ever. I’ve never seen him doin anything except smith machine bench press an smith machine curls, so I spose ur guys not quite as bad as they can be.[/quote]
u typ lyk a retard.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
These days I usually do my Rows while holding 2 dumbells, as I just like the stretch I get at the bottom when they move closer together. I row them into my waist, not my torso, as I feel a much better contraction that way (Yates mentioned doing this somewhere). I typically do these strictly (holding a moment on top, and lowering slowly) with the 100’s
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Stu -
I’m having a hard time visualizing these. Are you in a free stance or face down on an incline bench?
I can see the bench rows, but not in a BB Row stance. Do you bring them up with neutral grip to the sides both at once, or do you bring them up like you have a BB in your hands?
I position myself as if I was using a BB, but because of the movement allowed with the DBs, I allow my hands to rotate in as natural manner as possible. For the most part, my hands end up not completely neutral (palms facing in towards the body), and not completely pronated (face down), but sort of in between, almost at a 45 degree tilt.
S
I think some of the numbers spoken about for barbell row are ridiculously exaggerated and if these outrageous numbers are true, they have been put up with a lot of body English!
I one reasd an interview with powerlifter Sebastian Burns in which he said that he once bent-over rowed 600+ pounds. Now, I’ve met the guy in person before and he is a strong dude! But I don’t believe ANYONE is using 600+ pounds in that exercise without a ton of snap!
I’ve never even seen one person in the gyms I’ve been to - and I’m not talking about panzy-ass pop-culture gyms here - properly bent-over row more than 315, and the guy I did see using that weight was VERY jacked!
Granted, you will need some snap with exercises like lateral raises, bent-over raises, and dumbbell and barbell rows because of the weak and awkward position you are in the at the beginning of each rep. But I do think people take it too far.
Dorian used about 425 in his video Blood and Guts with a small amount of body English. Ronnie uses a shitload of body English. I know that Ronnie’s style worked for him - which is all that counts, really. But I only get the greatest benefit from using the strict style. I need to be able to squeeze at the top for a “1-Missisipi” count at the top.
Dorian advised that if you can’t hold it at the top for that count that one should cut the weight in half, work on technique and feel and gradually work up in weight over time in this strict fasion. And, like Stu, Charles Staley, and Poliquin have advised, you will get a better benefit in the lats if you bring the dumbbells to the waist. You lessen biceps involvement like this and more stress goes to the lats and upper back.
nobody in this thread has mentioned rowing anymore then 225 so whats 315 and 425 got to do with anything?
[quote]schaffer29 wrote:
sid132 wrote:
that not the case in my gym lol theres one guy in there a lot he
benchs 3 plates a side
bent over rows 1 plate a side
squats 3 plates a side
stiff leg deadlifts 1 plate a side
deadlifts 3 plates a side
i thought there was ment to be a lot of differnece between the deadlift and bench press and squat and bench press
Lol that guys got a seriously weak ass lower body an back then, an’ll probs get himself injured eventually if he doesn’t do sumthin about it.
In my gym tho, theres a guy who just doesnt row. Or squat. Or deadlift. Ever. I’ve never seen him doin anything except smith machine bench press an smith machine curls, so I spose ur guys not quite as bad as they can be.[/quote]
I see a guy at my gym who presumably has a trap day. I’ve only seen him 4-5 times and every single time he spends ~an hour doing different variations of shrugs.
ah havnt got a guy like that, we do have a 100lb man who only bicep curls every day im there haha
I think rows are one of those exercises where you need to finely balance form with cheating. And this is very subjective and personal. For me if I go too strict on them it’s like impossible to progress properly.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
I think rows are one of those exercises where you need to finely balance form with cheating. And this is very subjective and personal. For me if I go too strict on them it’s like impossible to progress properly.[/quote]
Very true -I would even argue that both methods of execution have there place (like strict overhead pressing and push presses). I think a lifters bodyweight is a good starting point for decent strict Barbell Rows-closer to 1.5 with drive.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Dorian used about 425 in his video Blood and Guts with a small amount of body English. Ronnie uses a shitload of body English. I know that Ronnie’s style worked for him - which is all that counts, really. But I only get the greatest benefit from using the strict style. I need to be able to squeeze at the top for a “1-Missisipi” count at the top.
Dorian advised that if you can’t hold it at the top for that count that one should cut the weight in half, work on technique and feel and gradually work up in weight over time in this strict fasion. And, like Stu, Charles Staley, and Poliquin have advised, you will get a better benefit in the lats if you bring the dumbbells to the waist. You lessen biceps involvement like this and more stress goes to the lats and upper back. [/quote]
there used to be a video of ronnie doing rows on youtube i think it was 540lbs he was doing a shit load of body english, quiet a bit of body english at 3 plates a side let alone 5 plates a side.
i always see people row it to differnt areas some row it to their waist some row it to just above the belly button and some row it to lower chest.
anyone for which area they prefer to row to?
I personally stopped doing BB rows regularly a long time ago because I could never progress on them without completely losing form. There are plenty of other options for horizontal pulling if you need them: DB rows, cable rows, T-bar rows, HS rows etc
(obviously if you can progress fairly consisitently on BB rows there’s no need to switch just now)