Quitting Curls

Training Bodybuilding
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Don’t listen to these moronic masturbators trying to screw with your head.

If you are under 200 pounds:

Regular BB curls will never build big biceps and are catabolic to your body in general. The only curls that work are half-range bent over DB concentration curls performed in strict but very fast form in the squat rack with a long line of over 200 pound sex crazed fat she-males pumped up on gram-a-day shots of Testosterotten screaming at your back (to intimidate your guns into growing).

If you are already over 200 pounds:

Forget any curls. Your biceps get all the work they can handle from pulling your pug from lack of sex because you are too big. The best thing to do is to join the line in front of the skinny guy doing concentration curls in the squat rack and yell as loud as you can “Get bigger so you can whack off more and you’ll have biceps like mine.”

If the above fails, call Joe Weider for a special consultation and buy some Super Weight Gainer.

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[quote]Scott aka Rice wrote:

Contains 130 lbs. of Torsion Flex Resistance! You?ll never be able to conquer the resistance capacity of Big Guns.

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Why the hell would you put a statement in your product advertisement that bluntly says that the product has a very limited capacity for providing gains in strength?

No matter how much I use this fantastic product, I’ll NEVER get that strong? Sweet, who do I make the check out to?

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[quote]Scott aka Rice wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
no. it’s an imbalance. that’s not advantageous at any stage in training. at a certain point his biceps will become a liability and limit his ability to do many lat-dominant exercises heavy enough.

At a certain point, yes, there would be a major imbalance. My post was in reference to a beginner and for them to avoid arm work no longer than 2-3 months. I think if you were going to put emphasis on one for growth, I would work my lats before my biceps. Then you could go into a specialization program for direct arm work or just incorporate it.

I didn’t mean that someone should avoid arm work for a long period of time. Too many people are quick to do multiple variations of curls and too few rows. (I’m just generalizing the normal gym-goer here). I guess my point is that someone doing curls would have a lot more potential for bicep growth if they had a good foundation of back strength. I don’t think someone with experience in the gym should ever eliminate all curls from their routine. A beginner’s arms will grow on pretty much any exercise that uses a pulling motion.

Snatch grip deadlift for big guns FTW! j/k[/quote]

i think i see where you’re coming from, but i still think beginners will benefit from learning proper technique/principles for various types of curls from day one. then they can experiment and find out how to appropriately add curls to their current program.

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[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Scott aka Rice wrote:

Contains 130 lbs. of Torsion Flex Resistance! You?ll never be able to conquer the resistance capacity of Big Guns.

Why the hell would you put a statement in your product advertisement that bluntly says that the product has a very limited capacity for providing gains in strength?

No matter how much I use this fantastic product, I’ll NEVER get that strong? Sweet, who do I make the check out to?[/quote]

The sad thing is, a lot of people think 130 pounds IS really strong!

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
I can’t believe no one jumped on the dufus who thinks snatch grip deads fatigue the biceps significantly…

Maybe a touch at the shoulder for keeping everything together…[/quote]

At no point did I say “fatigue the biceps significantly.” To improperly quote someone and then critique said ‘non-quote’ is a bit ridiculous. I said that they, along with rev.grip rows and chins all work the biceps. I also made a disclaimer that they are not direct work like curls, but certainly there is stimulation.

If you would like to say that is from a dufus, feel free. But really, at least have the common courtesy to properly quote someone you wish to attack personally.

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Wow. People here love their curls!

I rarely do curls and i feel i dont have a biceps problem. Maybe my arms could be stronger but i think the time could be spent doing something better.

I think if you just keep adding weight to your chins then your biceps get worked enough.

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[quote]coffee wrote:
Wow. People here love their curls!
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
coffee wrote:
Wow. People here love their curls!

[/quote]

Is that Dennis Rodman?

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And the word of the day is?

[quote]Colucci wrote:
Ta-daaa!![/quote]

[quote]alownage wrote:
Then I started doing curls…tada, .80 or so of an inch appeared on my arms in a matter of 3 months. [/quote]

[quote]PGJ wrote:
Implants. Ta-da! That was simple.
[/quote]

Only a tad bit gay lads.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Pull ups and chin ups are back exercises where the biceps are used in the process. They don’t allow direct focus on biceps muscle contraction. Your biceps get worked, but not to the degree of direct isolation work which can potentially affect more muscle fibers leading to more growth in the area if for no other reason than through multiple sets and the exclusion of larger muscle groups that take the brunt of the directed force.

I do believe this concept has been beaten to death and I now find it really stupid that people are trying this hard to NOT do certain exercises. What the hell is happening within bodybuilding?[/quote]

ok, so i don’t really wanna get flamed, but i haven’t posted in a while because i started doing CW’s anti bodybuilding program a little while ago and this is what he says:

"A Reluctant Addendum

I know what you’re thinking:

“Chad, youforgot to include direct arm work in that program!”

No, I didn’t. The best increases in upper arm hypertrophy are achieved through compound exercises such as dips, chin-ups, bench presses and rows. Therefore, no direct arm work is prescribed in this program.

It’s a strange phenomenon. Every trainee who’s been around the iron game for more than a year knows that big arms are built from compound exercises, but people are still convinced they need direct arm work! So I’ll give you the choice. I don’t recommend the direct upper-arm work option, but I know some people will add direct arm work anyway, so I might as well make sure they do it right."

you all seem to think that you need to do curls, but he doesn’t. now who should i believe him or you?

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[quote]TLock wrote:

you all seem to think that you need to do curls, but he doesn’t. now who should i believe him or you?[/quote]

When I was competing in Olympic lifting (and doing some bench pressing on the side) I could power clean over 350lbs, snatch around 300lbs, push press 265lbs for reps and bench pressed 425lbs… YET I did not have big arms. Well, they waren’t small, but not large by any means.

I’m not saying that compound movements wont build arm size, but that at some point their capacity to do will be somewhat limited, especially if they are a weak link the the chain.

And why does everybody think that you can’t get strong with isolation or semi-isolation movements? If you gradually increase the amount of weight you use over time, the worked muscle WILL become stronger. Heck, the Westside crew train the heck out of various forms of triceps extensions to build up their triceps strength. If your curl goes from 100lbs x 6 reps to 150lbs x 6 reps your biceps WILL be much bigger and much stronger.

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[quote]TLock wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Pull ups and chin ups are back exercises where the biceps are used in the process. They don’t allow direct focus on biceps muscle contraction. Your biceps get worked, but not to the degree of direct isolation work which can potentially affect more muscle fibers leading to more growth in the area if for no other reason than through multiple sets and the exclusion of larger muscle groups that take the brunt of the directed force.

I do believe this concept has been beaten to death and I now find it really stupid that people are trying this hard to NOT do certain exercises. What the hell is happening within bodybuilding?

ok, so i don’t really wanna get flamed, but i haven’t posted in a while because i started doing CW’s anti bodybuilding program a little while ago and this is what he says:

"A Reluctant Addendum

I know what you’re thinking:

“Chad, youforgot to include direct arm work in that program!”

No, I didn’t. The best increases in upper arm hypertrophy are achieved through compound exercises such as dips, chin-ups, bench presses and rows. Therefore, no direct arm work is prescribed in this program.

It’s a strange phenomenon. Every trainee who’s been around the iron game for more than a year knows that big arms are built from compound exercises, but people are still convinced they need direct arm work! So I’ll give you the choice. I don’t recommend the direct upper-arm work option, but I know some people will add direct arm work anyway, so I might as well make sure they do it right."

you all seem to think that you need to do curls, but he doesn’t. now who should i believe him or you?[/quote]

I could care less who you believe. My arms are probably bigger than yours and Chad’s so who you believe makes little to no difference to me. Chad is trying to sell a product…his own training philosophy. To do that, he has to stand out from everyone else. It is no different than any other product being sold on the market.

So ask yourself, should you ignore what millions of bodybuilders for decades have done for larger and stronger arms because you read one article claiming otherwise?

Those of you who begin following individual authors as if everything they preach is the gospel truth have lost your way. You have forgotten the most basic FACT that not one trainer would overlook if they have made any significant progress over the years…that no one person holds the one truth to the “best” results in bodybuilding, especially if they are trying to SELL SOMETHING. +

Also, that those who ignore the many who have come before them are just plain dumb as shit.

I’m not a newbie. I have already built big arms that are strong by listening to the very people many on this site seem to avoid listening to…the guys who actually got big. To say I disagree with Chad is an understatement. The real question is, why would anyone believe EVERYTHING Chad had to say as if he can’t be wrong or as if info from other sources doesn’t matter?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
TLock wrote:

you all seem to think that you need to do curls, but he doesn’t. now who should i believe him or you?

When I was competing in Olympic lifting (and doing some bench pressing on the side) I could power clean over 350lbs, snatch around 300lbs, push press 265lbs for reps and bench pressed 425lbs… YET I did not have big arms. Well, they waren’t small, but not large by any means.

I’m not saying that compound movements wont build arm size, but that at some point their capacity to do will be somewhat limited, especially if they are a weak link the the chain.

And why does everybody think that you can’t get strong with isolation or semi-isolation movements? If you gradually increase the amount of weight you use over time, the worked muscle WILL become stronger. Heck, the Westside crew train the heck out of various forms of triceps extensions to build up their triceps strength. If your curl goes from 100lbs x 6 reps to 150lbs x 6 reps your biceps WILL be much bigger and much stronger.

[/quote]

Clearly, your experience doesn’t matter because Chad said so.

This is why I despise the name dropping bullshit that goes on with regards to many trainers lately. All info is disregarded because insert name of trainer whose book you’ve read said so.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Clearly, your experience doesn’t matter because Chad said so.

This is why I despise the name dropping bullshit that goes on with regards to many trainers lately. All info is disregarded because insert name of trainer whose book you’ve read said so.[/quote]

Maybe you should write a book. :wink:

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
Bottom line to the OP’s question; if you want to quit curling, quit. But there are no alternatives. Rows and chins should already be being done anyway.[/quote]

…and those same chins and rows…should be BACK MOVEMENTS that focus in on DEVELOPING THE BACK AND MAKING IT STRONGER. Why anyone would use chin ups as their only biceps work makes no sense to me at all…unless they were in jail and that was the only option.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
…Bottom line to the OP’s question; if you want to quit curling, quit…[/quote]

Sounds like drugs or something. I’ve finally hit bottom folks. I’m powerless over bicep curls and my life has become unmanageable.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
MODOK wrote:
…Bottom line to the OP’s question; if you want to quit curling, quit…

Sounds like drugs or something. I’ve finally hit bottom folks. I’m powerless over bicep curls and my life has become unmanageable. [/quote]

You need an intervention.

Apparently, Chad is the person to call.

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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Clearly, your experience doesn’t matter because Chad said so.

This is why I despise the name dropping bullshit that goes on with regards to many trainers lately. All info is disregarded because insert name of trainer whose book you’ve read said so.

Maybe you should write a book. ;)[/quote]

That would be the shortest book of all time. A picture book, it would feature a page of a fully-stocked kitchen, a complete weightroom, and a table of contents.

I think people like to overcomplicate this shit to justify their lack of effort.

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This made me laugh, for some reason.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Bottom line to the OP’s question; if you want to quit curling, quit. But there are no alternatives. Rows and chins should already be being done anyway.

…and those same chins and rows…should be BACK MOVEMENTS that focus in on DEVELOPING THE BACK AND MAKING IT STRONGER. Why anyone would use chin ups as their only biceps work makes no sense to me at all…unless they were in jail and that was the only option.[/quote]

it’s liek Christian Thibadeau said somewhere , that pulling exercises like various rows and chins are often performed incorrectly, as most people seem to not know how to use their lats to pull. people tend to overuse momentum and their biceps.

when back exercises are done properly, they severely limit biceps activation by keeping the elbows in and minimizing biceps flexion… this reduces tension in the biceps and minimizes biceps hypertrophy.

for a coach to recommend chin-ups and rows ALONE to someone whose goals include building GREAT biceps is beyond me. great biceps require direct work in addition to properly performed back-dominant exercises.

so with all due respect to Chad Waterbury, i’m gonna have to call him out on bullshit when he states thats compound movements are the number one method for achieving hypertrophy for the upper arms.

what he SHOULD say is that the number one method for maximum development of the upper arms includes properly performed compound movements <i.e. actually using your back when doing rows and chins, instead of swinging and overusing your biceps> AND properly executed DIRECT arm work.

there’s the simple recipe for greatness.