I’m not sure what Michael O’Donnell recommends for IF, but if I recall correctly, his book is titled Two Meal Solution. I’m considering buying it. It’s cheap - 29 bucks.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
… he’s not gonna change until negative side effects occur.
[/quote]
Like what?
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Visgrail wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You dont eat food for almost half the week but youre asking how to make amino acids “work better”
[/quote]
lulz…
not eating, the new “in” diet?
Fuck the internet is amazing.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I realize it isn’t something most folks here would do. I read more about people trying to bulk, and even though Intermittent Fasting can aid in cutting, it’s really more of a lifestyle choice that gives the digestive system plenty of downtime and helps to really enhance insulin sensitivity.
Not trying to sound in any way like I’m promoting the lifestyle. It works for me… or, at least, has thus far. I’m pleased with the results (body fat % drops, strength gains, huge abundance of energy, no negative side-effects of note, and a great time and money saver).
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Your lifestyle is called anorexia.
You fucking eat 4 days a week and starve yourself the other 3.
That isn’t a life style.
If you were a chick, we would send you to a shrink.
You have an eating disorder.
fuck[/quote]
lol…your lifestyle is called gross body dysmorphia
you are obsessed with getting larger and more muscular, even though you are larger than 95% of the population
you stuff yourself 6+ times a day and you eat when you’re not hungry…WTF??
Sounds like an eating disorder to me…[/quote]
Oooohhh, here we go.[/quote]
Actually no we don’t go. I eat 3 maybe 4 times a day. One of those meals is almost always a shake too, lol. I don’t stuff myself, nor do I “eat when I’m not hungry”. I just don’t need that much damn food to grow, maybe I’m special. But lucky me, I’m hungry a lot.
Proud and his e-stats can blow me.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:Actually no we don’t go. I eat 3 maybe 4 times a day. One of those meals is almost always a shake too, lol. I don’t stuff myself, nor do I “eat when I’m not hungry”. I just don’t need that much damn food to grow, maybe I’m special. But lucky me, I’m hungry a lot.
Proud and his e-stats can blow me.[/quote]
Damn you didn’t take the bait haha…my point was that everyone has different goals and although the OP’s goals may sound strange from the perspective of a bodybuilder, bodybuilding sounds pretty strange to the majority of people.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Visgrail wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You dont eat food for almost half the week but youre asking how to make amino acids “work better”
[/quote]
lulz…
not eating, the new “in” diet?
Fuck the internet is amazing.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I realize it isn’t something most folks here would do. I read more about people trying to bulk, and even though Intermittent Fasting can aid in cutting, it’s really more of a lifestyle choice that gives the digestive system plenty of downtime and helps to really enhance insulin sensitivity.
Not trying to sound in any way like I’m promoting the lifestyle. It works for me… or, at least, has thus far. I’m pleased with the results (body fat % drops, strength gains, huge abundance of energy, no negative side-effects of note, and a great time and money saver).
[/quote]
Your lifestyle is called anorexia.
You fucking eat 4 days a week and starve yourself the other 3.
That isn’t a life style.
If you were a chick, we would send you to a shrink.
You have an eating disorder.
fuck[/quote]
lol…your lifestyle is called gross body dysmorphia
you are obsessed with getting larger and more muscular, even though you are larger than 95% of the population
you stuff yourself 6+ times a day and you eat when you’re not hungry…WTF??
Sounds like an eating disorder to me…[/quote]
Oooohhh, here we go.[/quote]
Proud and his e-stats can blow me.[/quote]
If he did, he would have to change his username.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:Actually no we don’t go. I eat 3 maybe 4 times a day. One of those meals is almost always a shake too, lol. I don’t stuff myself, nor do I “eat when I’m not hungry”. I just don’t need that much damn food to grow, maybe I’m special. But lucky me, I’m hungry a lot.
Proud and his e-stats can blow me.[/quote]
Damn you didn’t take the bait haha…my point was that everyone has different goals and although the OP’s goals may sound strange from the perspective of a bodybuilder, bodybuilding sounds pretty strange to the majority of people.[/quote]
Fair enough.
And I wished OP luck in his life the last page I believe, I’m done with this to be honest. It’s laughable.
I feel that only eating 4 days a week is moronic, but he feels like he is doing great with it. I wasn’t losing my shit in reference to him being a BBer, but rather starving himself 3 days a week sounds like someone has a problem.
But whateves… He wants to “fast” for 3/4’s of the year, so be it.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Is this teh fucking cosmo forums?
Are we seriously going to condone eating half the fucking week?
What kind of weights are we talking about moving?
[/quote]
anything that happens to be in my periodization, heavy days as well as more conditioning type work, I am coming off an injury right now so the numbers aren’t impressive but it’s still near my 1rm on heavy days (at least the lifts I can do).
for a “forward thinking” forum this has been met with a lot of resistance.
If the OP is making progress and is doing good on the diet then why the fuck is everyone bitching, maybe if he was, i don’t know, DYING then it would be a problem. For every topic that is opened here the answer is usually try it and now he’s trying it and everyone is pissing on his parade?
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You said this method works great for you, but you don’t train for how you look, and you numbers aren’t high…
So how do you measure your progress, and how much has fasting helped you achieve said progress?
I’m not being a dick, I’m honestly curious. You were super quick to talk about how well it works for you, I just want to know what kind of results we are talking abotu.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…
Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.
Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).
Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.
Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.
The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.
And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.
Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]
Nothing of what you wrote recommends fasting 3x/week. Would you personally recommend to anyone to eat only 4 days a week? I’m guessing not.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing. [/quote]
By this logic bulimia could be justified, inducing vomiting twice a day is okay if I’m dropping fat right?
[/quote]
you are absolutely throwing the baby out with the bath water
firstly FAT LOSS, bulimia will make you lose fat as well as muscle and cause health problems, and my guess is that if you are going for FAT LOSS (not weight loss) you have at least half an idea what you are doing
secondly he didn’t say that he would recommend it or even think about recommending it. It works for OP and has some scientific backing to it meaning that for SOME people it will work
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Is this teh fucking cosmo forums?
Are we seriously going to condone eating half the fucking week?
What kind of weights are we talking about moving?
[/quote]
anything that happens to be in my periodization, heavy days as well as more conditioning type work, I am coming off an injury right now so the numbers aren’t impressive but it’s still near my 1rm on heavy days (at least the lifts I can do).
for a “forward thinking” forum this has been met with a lot of resistance.
If the OP is making progress and is doing good on the diet then why the fuck is everyone bitching, maybe if he was, i don’t know, DYING then it would be a problem. For every topic that is opened here the answer is usually try it and now he’s trying it and everyone is pissing on his parade?
[/quote]
You said this method works great for you, but you don’t train for how you look, and you numbers aren’t high…
So how do you measure your progress, and how much has fasting helped you achieve said progress?
I’m not being a dick, I’m honestly curious. You were super quick to talk about how well it works for you, I just want to know what kind of results we are talking abotu.
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Improved body composition, feeling more energetic and healthier in general, as well as increased strength. I was just wondering where you saw my numbers since I haven’t really posted any.
From a convenience perspective it is very practical. I however do not religiously fast every other day. When I feel the need to reign myself in to control body fat (which has always been an issue for me) it works.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I have done this and if it works for him why not? Anorexia? come on
Animals (especially carnivorous ones which we are not too dissimilar from eat about one meal a weak and have no fat or bodycomp issues).
The human body is perfectly capable of living like this and like the OP have no problems following this lifestyle. I regularly use a binge/fast eating pattern and have had no problems whatsoever. Right now I am only fasting once a week , I have found that workouts are way better when fasting in my experience at least. [/quote]
but you dont really look good at all[/quote]
I am not a bodybuilder[/quote]
obviously
Wow… so, I had zero intention for this to reach this level of debate. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate mostly both sides of everyone’s comments, suggestions, and beliefs. Honestly, I wouldn’t suggest anyone try this method primarily because it’s just not easy for everyone. It is for me, although I figured at first it would be nightmarishly difficult. I’m not saying that anyone here lacks the ability to do it (should they want to).
I realize that cavemen didn’t have access to supplementation, and that we live longer and are taller, etc. I realize that some folks will look at this as some sort of starvation method to weight loss. That isn’t at all MY goal with IF. I’m not saying it isn’t the goal for a good many folks out there who want to lose weight “an easy way”.
If I were just trying to lose weight (not fat, but see numbers go down) and didn’t care about maintaining or building strength, I would literally starve myself. I’d skip every other day and eat less than 2,000 (or even fewer) calories on my feast days. I wouldn’t pay attention to my fat/carb/protein mix when I did eat, and I certainly wouldn’t bother supplementing (except with too many fat burners/thermogenics).
My goals are to feel good, look better, and live longer. I’ve only been using IF for a little over 2 months. In that time it has not only helped me to achieve for sure 2 of those goals, but has also aided in several others I hadn’t even expected (more energy, less stress, more money in my wallet, and more time on my fasting days for other things).
I simply wanted to know how to be more efficient with my choice and use of supplementation throughout this process. That’s it. I didn’t want to give anyone the impression that I was popping in here to say, “Hey, this is the best plan ever! Everyone should use it!” Hell, I only even mentioned that I was doing it just in case it would be more or less beneficial to take the BCAAs on certain days because of it. That was it.
Anyway, I do appreciate the advice and the community. Even though it says I joined last month, I’ve been reading most of what you guys have been saying for several months (back since June). I’ve received a lot of good advice by looking through some old threads.
Thanks again…
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…
Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.
Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).
Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.
Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.
The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.
And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.
Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]
Nothing of what you wrote recommends fasting 3x/week. Would you personally recommend to anyone to eat only 4 days a week? I’m guessing not.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing. [/quote]
By this logic bulimia could be justified, inducing vomiting twice a day is okay if I’m dropping fat right?
[/quote]
you are absolutely throwing the baby out with the bath water
firstly FAT LOSS, bulimia will make you lose fat as well as muscle and cause health problems, and my guess is that if you are going for FAT LOSS (not weight loss) you have at least half an idea what you are doing
secondly he didn’t say that he would recommend it or even think about recommending it. It works for OP and has some scientific backing to it meaning that for SOME people it will work[/quote]
Wait you think eating only 4 out of 7 days a week will not lead to muscle loss? You must be joking. Even a bulimic ingests some food everyday.
My point with the bulimia was that just because something is leading to the desired results doesn’t necessarily make it a healthy practise. I would argue eating like this for extended periods of time borders on an eating disorder.
Also where exactly is the scientific backing for fasting 72+ hours a week? No one is talking about fasting once a week.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
… he’s not gonna change until negative side effects occur.
[/quote]
Like what? [/quote]
Like lack of libido, fat loss stalls, energy dips, mood worsens. Everything you would expect from a too low calorie diet.
When his diet comes to a crashing halt he will be back to get info.
I do not eat anything on my fasting days. I stop eating sometime before midnight (usually no later than 9:30/10) on Mon/Wed/Sat and don’t eat again until after I’ve done my cardio on Mon/Wed/Fri mornings. I begin consuming protein and simple carbs immediately after that, get home and make breakfast. I eat all throughout the day, making sure to include plenty of protein para-workout for my liftings in the afternoons of Mon/Wed/Fri.
On my fast days, I don’t take any of my supps that are needed to take “with food” or with fat. That includes my Flameout. Instead, I take those things on my eat days in the mornings, and again shortly after my final meal of the night to have some carry over into the next day.
I take SuperFood on my fasting days, and consume between 1 1/2 and 2 gallons of water on my fasting days. No juice, no coffee/tea/diet drinks/etc.
My apologies for any other questions that were directed at me that I overlooked.
Also, are there successful bodybuilders out there who go without eating 3 days a week?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
obviously[/quote]
and the point of your post?..
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also, are there successful bodybuilders out there who go without eating 3 days a week?[/quote]
There are none.
But this guy doesn’t want to be a bodybuilder.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also, are there successful bodybuilders out there who go without eating 3 days a week?[/quote]
So, OP is at 26 percent body fat, he is following this lifestyle to get leaner/healthier is he worried about adding mass amounts of muscle?
Is this permanently sustainable? possibly if you want to just be in general good shape and not a bodybuilder
I doubt that long term this is viable to become a (semi)professional/recreational figure athlete/bodybuilder but as of yet no one knows and will not until someone comes forward or OP achieves results.
My point is this is geared towards his goals and is working fine for his purposes. It might also work good for someone that does not want to be “freakishly” jacked
BCAAs upon waking will be beneficial on your special days. If you were going to workout on those days take them before during and after the workout.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also, are there successful bodybuilders out there who go without eating 3 days a week?[/quote]
So, OP is at 26 percent body fat, he is following this lifestyle to get leaner/healthier is he worried about adding mass amounts of muscle?
Is this permanently sustainable? possibly if you want to just be in general good shape and not a bodybuilder
I doubt that long term this is viable to become a (semi)professional/recreational figure athlete/bodybuilder but as of yet no one knows and will not until someone comes forward or OP achieves results.
My point is this is geared towards his goals and is working fine for his purposes. It might also work good for someone that does not want to be “freakishly” jacked