I mean I’m trying to get the muscle mass up and get the fat down, and I know that a high protein diet is important, (I promised the wife that I would NOT hit the juice, under threat of divorce)but I’m hearing things that are making me wonder.
A couple of my gym rat buddies are telling me that they read in Muscle and Fitness or Flex or one of those magazines, that the optimum amount of protein to take in is one gram per pound of body weight per day.
Well…I happen to weigh damn near 400 pounds, and the average can of tuna holds about 35g of protein, so that’d be a HUGE amount to try to eat every day. Like eleven cans or something.
Plus, I want my body weight to go down not stay the same or go up (of course I don’t want to lose any muscle, but I don’t think I’ll have to worry about that. You have to HAVE muscle to lose in the first place, and I’ve lost what I had from laying off so long)
Bottom line, how much protein SHOULD I be going for?
It’s funny that the V-Diet is not for really obese people. The calculator will kick you out if you try to enter that. I experimented and I think the max is around 265.
Apparently when an obese person gets a lap band procedure, they’re essentially on a liquid protein diet for the first two weeks anyway. The V-Diet is probably better for them.
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
What would you say then about the diets that most GBP patients adhere to, which consist mostly of liquid food, in order to reduce the possibilities of stomach rupture? I am not disagreeing with the fact that there are probably other contributing factors, but it isn’t that different from some current medical practices. [/quote]
Why are you comparing a post operative patient with a compromised internal organ with someone who has literally stretched their stomach with pounds of food for several years?
What current medical practices would try to reverse severely negative eating habits by forcing someone morbidly obese to eat in a way that they couldn’t maintain long term even if they wanted to?
Unless the V-Diet now comes with about 12 months worth of education about biology and nutrition along with intense psychological counseling and behavior modification (using possibly electrocution), why do you think it is magic?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
I would go to a health professional to see if I have any underlying health issues. But I would not recommend someone going to just any health professional for fat loss, many are not very knowledgeable on how to lose fat.
By the way OP, 400 grams of protein a day should not be that difficult to hit. Lower your fat intake and carb intake and you should find that you will need a lot of protein to sustain energy levels.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
I would go to a health professional to see if I have any underlying health issues. But I would not recommend someone going to just any health professional for fat loss, many are not very knowledgeable on how to lose fat.
By the way OP, 400 grams of protein a day should not be that difficult to hit. Lower your fat intake and carb intake and you should find that you will need a lot of protein to sustain energy levels.
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This guy is 400lbs. If his blood pressure is like 200/100, maybe the last thing he needs to be doing is some all out program for fat loss at this point until that is controlled. Some of you seem to be only looking at the surface as far as what the OP WANTS instead of what is NEEDED.
There is no cookie cutter method for all fat loss in all people so going to your doctor just for fat loss may or may not be the best route for results, but his health doesn’t just involve fat loss and no one hits 400lbs in MONTHS.
I also don’t see how a 400lb guy could literally pull a complete 180 and only drink protein shakes for a month. My obese cousins can barely drive passed a bakery without stopping let alone 28 days of depravity.
Honestly, I think a lot of the previous posts are treating this guy as if he’s 40lb overweight instead of 200lb overweight.
I echo the sentiments of those on here who say your first step is a proper health evaluation. In conjunction with that you need to do your own research to make sure the person you are talking to knows what the heck they are talking about.
As for protein requirements, the rule of thumb is 1g per pound of lean body mass. Depending on how effective your body is at using protein as well as what your body can safely handle, it could go up or down from there.
i did protein shakes only for EIGHT MONTHS. Medifast diet. I lost 80 pounds. Worked great, terrible for my health, gained it all back, did it again, and did it again…yes, three times on a protein shake liquid diet for several months each!!! Fucked up!!!
A friend of mine got the stomach band…he lost lots of weight, gained a bunch back and looked fat and shitty the entire time.
I finally WENT TO THE DOCTOR and had my T-levels checked…200. Started with some supplemental T, found a REASONABLE FOOD program with a local weight loss clinic. Now, three years later, from 285 to 235, 28% BF to 8%.
OP, go see the doc. get a complete blood work done. find a decent FOOD program you can live with, and be patient. You didn’t get obese over night, and you won’t get fit over night either. good luck.
BTW therajraj, the couple in your avatar… I know them. I used to work in same organization as as the bride. Nice lady, in a wheelchair, smart, too bad she is the brunt of a sad joke.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I also don’t see how a 400lb guy could literally pull a complete 180 and only drink protein shakes for a month. My obese cousins can barely drive passed a bakery without stopping let alone 28 days of depravity.
Honestly, I think a lot of the previous posts are treating this guy as if he’s 40lb overweight instead of 200lb overweight.
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Agreed…but what gets me is that they are arguing with the one guy in the thread who actually treats patients medically who is also a serious weight lifter.
Most 400lbs sedentary people have trouble walking, let alone going through with some forced torture/restrictive diet that most dedicated weight lifters would have trouble sticking with for longer than a couple of weeks.
The WORST thing someone that heavy could do is the V-Diet…so why are forum users handing this out as advice to every other poster?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…but what gets me is that they are arguing with the one guy in the thread who actually treats patients medically who is also a serious weight lifter.
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You act like you know better than them or something. The gall!
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Your wrong.[/quote]
Chris Shugart would be the first person to say that the V-Diet is not appropriate for many of the reasons already given, so please don’t lead the OP down this path.