Picked Up Some BCAA's, But...

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Last I checked, the people actually making progress with “intermittent fasting” eat every day. They pretty much just skip breakfast.

You only eat 16-18 DAYS a MONTH! That is what, like just over 200 days a year you eat? LMFAO. What does your girlfriend think about this?

How much “progress” are you actually making with this approach if after 18 months of “training” you are still obese?

Whatever, I don’t really care enough at this point to do anything other than laugh. You’re right, I’m wrong. Enjoy your life. Best of luck.[/quote]

Intermittent Fasting isn’t just skipping breakfast. And those people who practice just that aren’t the only ones making gains. If you read that someplace, you either missed the part about there being different versions, or they’re just mistaken. Skipping breakfast, is, well, skipping breakfast. Hell, sleeping is “technically” a form of fasting.

Anyway, I haven’t been training for 18 months. I’ve been training for about 8. During that time I’ve gone from 34ish% bf to 26 1/2ish %, dropped 55lbs of physical weight, and 6 inches off of my waist. My strength and endurance have increased. Am I still obese? Yeah. Have I made progress? Yeah.

But you’re right. This is a completely pointless discussion. You’ll either take the 10 minutes or so to Google and do some research on this lifestyle and learn where I’m coming from (and likely still very much disagree with it), or you won’t. Either way, it works for me. I’m happy. My girlfriend is quite happy. And, although most people have been as much or more skeptical than some of the folks having posted here, the support has grown and people close to me have started to rethink the brainwashing that has taken place over the years with our obsession with food.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Enjoy your life. Best of luck.[/quote]

Oh, and thank you.
Same to you. Seriously. :smiley:

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The decimal is hilarious, you know that it’s pretty inaccurate, so rounding it off to 25 or so would be better, but for keeping track of your progress with the same method it’s great.

You know a few things about anorexia nervosa. You probably know that it’s an addictive practice that can make girls feel great while harming their bodies. And you like this approach, it makes you feel like you have more energy. So you might get so attached to it that you don’t want to drop it when you get thinner and don’t rebuild muscle faster than you break it down any more. That’s the “hard” part.

“Pseudo-newb-gains”. Would have been big either way, but keep it up.

Yup. Disorder is change from the norm. It gets dangerous when 80 pound women starve themselves for years. You could last at least two months on water and multivitamins. (No offense) This isn’t dangerous for you, but a few more normal approaches could probably make you reach your physique goals quicker. If the extra energy you’re feeling makes it worth it, do what you want to do, I’m not stopping you. Just be careful.

Man functioned on involuntary intermittent fasting. Man is now taller and lives longer. Man is an incredible being that can endure pretty crazy things. Doesn’t mean that those things are good for him.

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[quote]kakno wrote:
The decimal is hilarious, you know that it’s pretty inaccurate, so rounding it off to 25 or so would be better, but for keeping track of your progress with the same method it’s great.

You know a few things about anorexia nervosa. You probably know that it’s an addictive practice that can make girls feel great while harming their bodies. And you like this approach, it makes you feel like you have more energy. So you might get so attached to it that you don’t want to drop it when you get thinner and don’t rebuild muscle faster than you break it down any more. That’s the “hard” part.

“Pseudo-newb-gains”. Would have been big either way, but keep it up.

Yup. Disorder is change from the norm. It gets dangerous when 80 pound women starve themselves for years. You could last at least two months on water and multivitamins. (No offense) This isn’t dangerous for you, but a few more normal approaches could probably make you reach your physique goals quicker. If the extra energy you’re feeling makes it worth it, do what you want to do, I’m not stopping you. Just be careful.

Man functioned on involuntary intermittent fasting. Man is now taller and lives longer. Man is an incredible being that can endure pretty crazy things. Doesn’t mean that those things are good for him.[/quote]

All well said, and I agree with every part of it. Not that I would argue this, but by the logic of eating less (because, realistically, IF is a form of caloric restriction, not starvation), being a disorder, eating more to put on weight with the goal in mind of “getting hugely muscled” seems to fall in line with the same thought process. Both make you feel better about yourself. Both give you more energy. And both are outside the “norm” when consuming the average of what the body “needs”. Again, I wouldn’t make this argument, as I don’t feel that IF is a disorder in and of itself. I wholeheartedly believe that an individual CAN have an eating disorder where they feel that they MUST NOT eat to feel attractive or appreciated, but I certainly do not have this view of myself. I love food. We have a longstanding relationship, and it’s one that I cherish on my “feast days”. Afterall, I’m still getting a hefty amount of calories per week. If I were to eat 2500 a day x7 days, that would be 17,500 calories a week. Eating the 3500 or so that I do 4 days a week is still 14,000 calories. That’s not a huge difference. Certainly not one deserving a label like “anorexia”.

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At least his avatar is ironic.

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Prehistoric people didnt eat BCAA pills. You fail at cavemanning

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If he ingests no calories besides the bcaa’s on fast days, will they used as energy or actually used to keep/gain muscle?

I agree, poor choice of diet, but he’s not gonna change until negative side effects occur.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I have done this and if it works for him why not? Anorexia? come on
Animals (especially carnivorous ones which we are not too dissimilar from eat about one meal a weak and have no fat or bodycomp issues).
The human body is perfectly capable of living like this and like the OP have no problems following this lifestyle. I regularly use a binge/fast eating pattern and have had no problems whatsoever. Right now I am only fasting once a week , I have found that workouts are way better when fasting in my experience at least. [/quote]

but you dont really look good at all[/quote]

I am not a bodybuilder

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Is this teh fucking cosmo forums?

Are we seriously going to condone eating half the fucking week?

What kind of weights are we talking about moving?

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anything that happens to be in my periodization, heavy days as well as more conditioning type work, I am coming off an injury right now so the numbers aren’t impressive but it’s still near my 1rm on heavy days (at least the lifts I can do).

for a “forward thinking” forum this has been met with a lot of resistance.
If the OP is making progress and is doing good on the diet then why the fuck is everyone bitching, maybe if he was, i don’t know, DYING then it would be a problem. For every topic that is opened here the answer is usually try it and now he’s trying it and everyone is pissing on his parade?

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There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…

Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.

Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).

Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.

Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.

The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.

Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Visgrail wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You dont eat food for almost half the week but youre asking how to make amino acids “work better”
[/quote]

lulz…

not eating, the new “in” diet?

Fuck the internet is amazing.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong, I realize it isn’t something most folks here would do. I read more about people trying to bulk, and even though Intermittent Fasting can aid in cutting, it’s really more of a lifestyle choice that gives the digestive system plenty of downtime and helps to really enhance insulin sensitivity.

Not trying to sound in any way like I’m promoting the lifestyle. It works for me… or, at least, has thus far. I’m pleased with the results (body fat % drops, strength gains, huge abundance of energy, no negative side-effects of note, and a great time and money saver).
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Your lifestyle is called anorexia.

You fucking eat 4 days a week and starve yourself the other 3.

That isn’t a life style.

If you were a chick, we would send you to a shrink.

You have an eating disorder.

fuck[/quote]

lol…your lifestyle is called gross body dysmorphia

you are obsessed with getting larger and more muscular, even though you are larger than 95% of the population

you stuff yourself 6+ times a day and you eat when you’re not hungry…WTF??

Sounds like an eating disorder to me…

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…

Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.

Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).

Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.

Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.

The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.

Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]

Exactly. Bodybuilding and extreme weight loss are both fringe behaviors that typically require extreme solutions for exceptional results.

This guy didn’t say anything about how it is THE BEST WAY TO DO IT EVER!! or anything like that, just that it had been working FOR HIM and he would like to continue doing it. He just wanted to know how to best incorporate BCAAs into his plan…would it have been so hard to refrain from responding or ridiculing this guy?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…

Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.

Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).

Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.

Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.

The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.

Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]

well written, thanks for the info

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…

Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.

Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).

Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.

Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.

The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.

Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]

Nothing of what you wrote recommends fasting 3x/week. Would you personally recommend to anyone to eat only 4 days a week? I’m guessing not.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing. [/quote]

By this logic bulimia could be justified, inducing vomiting twice a day is okay if I’m dropping fat right?

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Is OP eating anything on fasting days?

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Visgrail wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You dont eat food for almost half the week but youre asking how to make amino acids “work better”
[/quote]

lulz…

not eating, the new “in” diet?

Fuck the internet is amazing.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong, I realize it isn’t something most folks here would do. I read more about people trying to bulk, and even though Intermittent Fasting can aid in cutting, it’s really more of a lifestyle choice that gives the digestive system plenty of downtime and helps to really enhance insulin sensitivity.

Not trying to sound in any way like I’m promoting the lifestyle. It works for me… or, at least, has thus far. I’m pleased with the results (body fat % drops, strength gains, huge abundance of energy, no negative side-effects of note, and a great time and money saver).
[/quote]

Your lifestyle is called anorexia.

You fucking eat 4 days a week and starve yourself the other 3.

That isn’t a life style.

If you were a chick, we would send you to a shrink.

You have an eating disorder.

fuck[/quote]

lol…your lifestyle is called gross body dysmorphia

you are obsessed with getting larger and more muscular, even though you are larger than 95% of the population

you stuff yourself 6+ times a day and you eat when you’re not hungry…WTF??

Sounds like an eating disorder to me…[/quote]

Oooohhh, here we go.

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“By this logic bulimia could be justified, inducing vomiting twice a day is okay if I’m dropping fat right?”

I’m not fond of any disorders or dysfunction. Who is? If someone has one, they need help.

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I don’t know enough about fasting (pros and cons) to make any good recommendations. All I’ve been doing is experimenting with Brad Pilon’s approach.

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And I should have clarified that I’m not fond of anything that’s hazardous to health in making progress. Starving oneself leads to fat loss, but starving can be fatal and it’s dangerous to health; so I don’t like it.

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
There are a few variations for Intermittent Fasting. Let’s see…

Ori Hofmekler advocates eating all your daily caloric allotment in four hours. So that’s not really missing any food at all; you’re just eating your daily caloric and nutrition allotment with a short time frame.

Martin Berkhan has you getting all your food in an eight hour time span (again, not missing food).

Dr. Michael Eades wrote in his blog that he’s experimenting with fasting every other day, but he still comes up with a huge caloric deficit because on the days he and his wife fast, they forgo their regular breakfast and lunch and just eat dinner while not “making up” for any lost calories and nutrients for the day.

Brad Pilon advocates one or two 24 hour fast per week which still has you eating everyday. However, he does say in his book that you can extend the fast to 36 or even 48 hours if you desire and depending on goals.

The OP is correct. You’re not starving because you didn’t eat for a day or two, nor is there much, if any, protein catabolism in that time. You could even have some glycogen to use also. However, I’m not fond of absolutely NO PWO nutrition.

And progress is not all about gaining. If someone’s goal is fat loss, and they’re losing fat, they’re progressing.

Taking on IF is not an anorexic behavior. [/quote]

Exactly. Bodybuilding and extreme weight loss are both fringe behaviors that typically require extreme solutions for exceptional results.

This guy didn’t say anything about how it is THE BEST WAY TO DO IT EVER!! or anything like that, just that it had been working FOR HIM and he would like to continue doing it. He just wanted to know how to best incorporate BCAAs into his plan…would it have been so hard to refrain from responding or ridiculing this guy?

[/quote]

Exactly.

A few people who practice on IF clients recommend BCAAs before fasted workouts.

Did you ever get and receive my email regarding the research reviews we spoke of?