Real food is better than any supplement ANY day. I did the v-diet, the whole thing, took Superfood etc. In one week of the get shreded diet (post v-diet transisiton) i felt better, performed better and felt better than during the whole v-diet. I’m not slowely increasing my food intake to ‘level out’ and STILL seeing physical and now performance gains all with very minimal SUPPLEMENTATION. thats right supplement, does not mean in place of, it means in addition to NOT in place of. I can’t belive i’m even wasting my time on this post or your log anymore… but hell, i’m getting paid right now so who cares
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
I guess I would rather be a “Sucker” than an asshole.
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Congratulations on achieving both.
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
I don’t think I am Gullible or an enabler. I defended Greg’s Character not his diet. I believe you can hold someone accountable with attacking them personally. Yes, I’m a bit over zealous when defending friends, but who isn’t? I guess I would rather be a “Sucker” than an asshole. [/quote]
Sometimes you have to be a man and use strong language.
A thief is a thief and a liar is a liar.
Save the mealy mouthed crap and euphemisms for the corporate world where one wrong word can get you sued.
We come to T-Nation to let our balls hang out.
[quote]Chucknorrislol wrote:
Colin Wilson wrote:
I guess I would rather be a “Sucker” than an asshole.
Congratulations on achieving both.
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DUDE YOU PWNED ME. I have no idea how I am ever going to be able to bounce back from this. I’m crushed, really just crushed…
[quote]UkpairehMombooto wrote:
I could be wrong, but I would say that perhaps he shut down his metabolism from his previous attempts at dieting. He has also probably used 4-AD-EC previously (most people who’ve purchased from Biotest pre-2005 have probably used MAG-10 at some point and still claim to be natural, which is always funny).
Anyway, I still say that he did what he was told but he should have gotten his hormonal profile checked. Adrenal fatigue is also not uncommon when a guy his size diets for an extended period of time. Why would someone out himself out there in pictures and then flake on everything. I would guess he ate LESS than he reported and scrwed his progress as being more likely than his eating junk and selling the supplements. Then again, I could be wrong.
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Well let me take the mystery out of it for you, you are wrong! I think it’s pathetic that people are still trying to invent excuses for this guy. Most of the time the simplest, most logical solution is the correct one. And the most likely answer is he’s just a lazy guy, who eats like garbage.
California Law makes me laugh my ass off, btw. Everything he says is brutally honest and on point. Greg would have been much better off just admitting he was fucking up the diet and probably lying about the exercise too. Would people have given him hell…Oh yeah…but most people respect honesty enough that they wouldn’t hold it against him forever. As it stands, though, everybody knows Greg has lied his way through the clinic. Essentially we found Greg standing over the dead body, holding the smoking gun, all the while claiming innocence.
I will miss this physique clinic in a way though, it’s been very humerous to watch as people defended Greg, seemingly afraid to use their own intuition and reasoning ability to come to the realization that he’s full of shit. I would be very surprised if Greg ever reached his goals at this point. Aside from his terrible genetics, even with the positive pressure of tons of people watching him, it wasn’t enough to motivate him to follow the clinic.
I also laugh at the notion that it’s some kind of moral victory that Greg “learned” something. Frankly, the primary intention of this wasn’t to educate Greg. Would he learn some things about nutrition and better training techniques along the way? Sure, but he was being spoon fed exactly what he was supposed to do, essentially his success in this clinic would not be defined or determined by what he “learned”; only by results. Everybody likes a winner, nobody likes a loser and if we’ve learned nothing else, Greg is a loser.
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
DUDE YOU PWNED ME. I have no idea how I am ever going to be able to bounce back from this. I’m crushed, really just crushed…[/quote]
You were offended enough that you felt the need to defend your “e-manhood.” So, yeah, I’d say you were.
But this thread is about Greg’s lies and delusions. You say you’re his friend. Tell him to stop lying to himself about being “big.” Man up and tell him he’s fat and needs to go on a fat-loss diet. Motivate him and help him lose the next 50 pounds.
That would make you a true friend.
[quote]novagreg wrote:
gerardmarceau wrote:
curax wrote:
Gerard,
The low carb tortilla had only 7 net grams of carbs, and about 11 grams of fiber, hence why I didn’t add more veggies. Also, the two cups of Egg whites was fat free, and rather than add a few whole eggs, I chose to go with a saturated fat source with 2 oz. of the Cabot Cheese, which gave me about 18 grams of fat for the meal. It was moderate fat, high protein, high fiber, and low carb. I figured since i had the fiber already, not having veggies wasn’t a big deal since I take Superfood.
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Superfood is good, any sort of green drink from actual organic veggies is excellent, but continue adding in spinach more often if that’s your vegetable of choice. I would just encourage you to go after some other foods that will promote getting lean. At least I’m figuring you’re done with the raisins. If you can save pumpkin for a couple times a week, you can start replacing it with an extra serving of veggies or lean protein. I’d seriously ditch the 90% hamburger- too much saturated fat.
Your fats should be coming from monos primarily. Some omega 3’s, but Omega 9’s like Macadamia, or some coconut oil, since it’s sat fats are MCTs.
That is a decent meal you picked, but I question how well it will contribute to losing fat- don’t get me wrong, it’s a good maintenance meal, but it’s eating the veggies for volume, for the the ability to put your body in a fat burning mode, that’s what will keep it coming off.
Macadamia nut oil is something I have used as an essential fat and that stuff actually speeds up the metabolism, while having a higher percentage of mono fats than olive oil. A tablespoon or two of that is gold. Dave Palumbo is big on it, and I’m starting to see why.
[quote]novagreg wrote:
I figured since i had the fiber already, not having veggies wasn’t a big deal since I take Superfood. [/quote]
Weird… I and everyone I know who did the V-Diet CRAVED vegetables afterwards.
Yet another example where physiological laws just don’t seem to apply to Big Greg.
One of two things is going on here. Either he is a sociopath who has no shame or sense of anyone outside his self. In that case, lying just amuses him or doesn’t bother him at all.
That, or he’s lying to yourself.
I strongly encourage those of you fooled by Big Greg to read “The Sociopath Next Door.” It’s an eye-opening book that will literally change how you deal with people.
A sociopath is not a killer or criminal. They are just people who are born without a conscience. They can lie to you all day and not be bothered by it at all. Some of us (like me) feel shame when caught in a lie. A sociopath literally feels nothing.
In any event, I’m done. Greg is beyond redemption. This post wasn’t for him: It was for those of you who continue to believe him despite overwhelming evidence - evidence so strong that even the O.J. Simpson jurors could not have voted “not guilty.”
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
novagreg wrote:
I figured since i had the fiber already, not having veggies wasn’t a big deal since I take Superfood.
Weird… I and everyone I know who did the V-Diet CRAVED vegetables afterwards.
Yet another example where physiological laws just don’t seem to apply to Big Greg.
One of two things is going on here. Either he is a sociopath who has no shame or sense of anyone outside his self. In that case, lying just amuses him or doesn’t bother him at all.
That, or he’s lying to yourself.
I strongly encourage those of you fooled by Big Greg to read “The Sociopath Next Door.” It’s an eye-opening book that will literally change how you deal with people.
A sociopath is not a killer or criminal. They are just people who are born without a conscience. They can lie to you all day and not be bothered by it at all. Some of us (like me) feel shame when caught in a lie. A sociopath literally feels nothing.
In any event, I’m done. Greg is beyond redemption. This post wasn’t for him: It was for those of you who continue to believe him despite overwhelming evidence - evidence so strong that even the O.J. Simpson jurors could not have voted “not guilty.”[/quote]
Are you saying that Greg cheated on the V-Diet too? Say what you want about the first part of the PC. I had my doubts, too, but what the hell, I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt (which is very different from saying I believed him). But I do see some changes post-V-Diet. Dramatic? No, but Greg had and still has a long way to go. Shugart thought Greg deserved a second chance so he put him on the V-Diet. Argue about that all you want, but I do see weight loss.
Your criticisms, at least, had some thought behind them. I don’t like liars and cheaters either, but I also don’t like people who pile on for the sake of piling on. There’s nothing manly about kicking a guy in the balls when he’s being held down by two other guys, but that’s what I’m seeing here. Some of the posts are criticising Greg for being on the V-Diet. Hello, the rules of the PC require that you follow the coaches’ instructions. Greg was instructed to do the V-Diet. End of story.
If you don’t the V-Diet, fine, go cry to Shugs, but don’t tell Greg he’s being an idiot for doing a diet he was instructed to do. Same thing with the people who said “Why don’t you do some HIIT?” The V-Diet has no HIIT; just a NEPA walk. If you’re going to criticize the guy, at least know what the hell you’re talking about before kicking the guy.
Brilliant deduction. The guy hasn;t even been proved to have flaked on a diet and is now deemed a sociopath! And the way you guys are worshipping this diet regime is almost sickening. It is probably an effective bodybuilding tool that seems to have worked for the guy, but you guys have now elevated it to an extract from leviticus 11 “Thou shalt partake of thy micellar casein and thy …whatever” He dropped 16 pounds on the damn thing and his side pose illustrates the most visual changes, and youre complaining about how he should be manically craving vegetables and so he flaked on the V-diet as well?
I hope youre not really a lawyer as your monicker suggests. IF you are, it must be fun getin cross-examined by you.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
novagreg wrote:
I figured since i had the fiber already, not having veggies wasn’t a big deal since I take Superfood.
Weird… I and everyone I know who did the V-Diet CRAVED vegetables afterwards.
Yet another example where physiological laws just don’t seem to apply to Big Greg.
One of two things is going on here. Either he is a sociopath who has no shame or sense of anyone outside his self. In that case, lying just amuses him or doesn’t bother him at all.
That, or he’s lying to yourself.
I strongly encourage those of you fooled by Big Greg to read “The Sociopath Next Door.” It’s an eye-opening book that will literally change how you deal with people.
A sociopath is not a killer or criminal. They are just people who are born without a conscience. They can lie to you all day and not be bothered by it at all. Some of us (like me) feel shame when caught in a lie. A sociopath literally feels nothing.
In any event, I’m done. Greg is beyond redemption. This post wasn’t for him: It was for those of you who continue to believe him despite overwhelming evidence - evidence so strong that even the O.J. Simpson jurors could not have voted “not guilty.”[/quote]
[quote]varnish wrote:
xtolgax wrote:
How many more fucking TIPS does he need?
He has made mediocre progress following routines/plans provided for him by successful professionals, but I’m sure our TIPS are going to push him to the next level.
The next article in the First Person series is…xtolgax !!! I heard TC say that your article is going to push everyone to the next level. I’m so excited…the anticipation is just killing me. Please tell me when it will be available.
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Probably be out in the next couple months. Get your aerobic step ready. With any luck, my TIPS will help you construct sound logical arguments laced with humor. christ.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Colin Wilson wrote:
DUDE YOU PWNED ME. I have no idea how I am ever going to be able to bounce back from this. I’m crushed, really just crushed…
You were offended enough that you felt the need to defend your “e-manhood.” So, yeah, I’d say you were.
But this thread is about Greg’s lies and delusions. You say you’re his friend. Tell him to stop lying to himself about being “big.” Man up and tell him he’s fat and needs to go on a fat-loss diet. Motivate him and help him lose the next 50 pounds.
That would make you a true friend.[/quote]
Yup. Sometimes being a real friend means saying the things that might make them uncomfortable, but in the long run will help them.
Quote:
V-Diet transition day 7:
Bodyweight 240
V-Diet transition day 14:
Bodyweight 239.
…I could of took a shit and lost 2lbs.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Same thing with the people who said “Why don’t you do some HIIT?” The V-Diet has no HIIT; just a NEPA walk. If you’re going to criticize the guy, at least know what the hell you’re talking about before kicking the guy.
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Listen, no one is kicking a guy why tried (and mostly failed) dieting for half a year. This isn’t e-diets. You get this thing done, or you’re doing it wrong. This is someone who has some muscle dysmorphia issues (fears being too small), is afraid of losing their image, is scared of finding out what their lean weight really is. If he’s a healthy 28 (?) yr old, then he needs to get his thyroid checked pronto.
The v-diet has no HIIT? Oh no! Guess what? Tubby here could use some HIIT. He might lose some muscle? Thank god, hopefully, he’ll see the light and start losing some fat along with it. What is this, the gospel according to Shugart? Anyone who’s eating tortillas, hamburger, raisins, and cheese needs to start sweating. They should begin feeling what it’s like to gasp for oxygen. At the rate he’s going, he’ll get down to 220 in another 6 months. Maybe.
Can we get a final digital scale reading or are we trying to make that go away?
Can we take some profile pictures that, again, are not flexed in the arms and stomach, standing as though there is a drill sargeant in front of you.
Shugs is right, once he gets down 40 lbs, the results will speak for themselves, but until he buckles down, I think Greg’s best bet is to not think about his food, rather to stick to a simple plan, where he can’t deviate. Hopefully, you’ll do another v-diet in 2 weeks, Greg.
[quote]gerardmarceau wrote:
What is this, the gospel according to Shugart? [/quote]
If you want to stay in the PC, yeah, it is. Either do the plan as written or give back the free supplements and get out. I didn’t make these rules. Shugs did. Go complain to him if you don’t like how the PC is run.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
If you want to stay in the PC, yeah, it is. Either do the plan as written or give back the free supplements and get out. I didn’t make these rules. Shugs did. Go complain to him if you don’t like how the PC is run.[/quote]
sure…
I am not a suck up, I am not naive, I am not an asshole.
That being said, I don’t see the point in lambasting Greg.
What are you hoping to accomplish?
Greg, I do believe that your journey will not end at the termination date of this Physique Clinic. You have a road to go and I hope you work hard and get it done.
Cali Law, (should be Kali) you know how to slice like a razor. I am somewhat with you on the enabler thing, but I just don’t see the need for a blood-letting.
heaping is not helping
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
gerardmarceau wrote:
What is this, the gospel according to Shugart?
If you want to stay in the PC, yeah, it is. Either do the plan as written or give back the free supplements and get out. I didn’t make these rules. Shugs did. Go complain to him if you don’t like how the PC is run.[/quote]
As far as I know, HIIT is acceptable and even preferred in the transition period while on the V-Diet. Do it on off days from lifting. I think at least Gus did it in his PC in transition from V-Diet.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Colin Wilson wrote:
DUDE YOU PWNED ME. I have no idea how I am ever going to be able to bounce back from this. I’m crushed, really just crushed…
You were offended enough that you felt the need to defend your “e-manhood.” So, yeah, I’d say you were.
But this thread is about Greg’s lies and delusions. You say you’re his friend. Tell him to stop lying to himself about being “big.” Man up and tell him he’s fat and needs to go on a fat-loss diet. Motivate him and help him lose the next 50 pounds.
That would make you a true friend.[/quote]
I don’t measure the quality of a person by their body fat levels and I won’t kick a friend in the jimmy when the rest of the world is already doing it. Greg struggled thru this whole PC but the fact remains that he MADE it through and lost 16 pounds doing it. He could have quit at any time and stopped subjecting himself to this crazy accusations and character assassination people like you have been putting him through.
I’m glad Greg is done with this PC. I hope he continues to strive towards what ever his goals maybe. Whether it is weight loss, strength gains, or power lifting.
Good Luck Greg!
[quote]curax wrote:
MikeTheBear wrote:
gerardmarceau wrote:
What is this, the gospel according to Shugart?
If you want to stay in the PC, yeah, it is. Either do the plan as written or give back the free supplements and get out. I didn’t make these rules. Shugs did. Go complain to him if you don’t like how the PC is run.
As far as I know, HIIT is acceptable and even preferred in the transition period while on the V-Diet. Do it on off days from lifting. I think at least Gus did it in his PC in transition from V-Diet.[/quote]
Hmm, just had a look at the new Velocity Diet forum, and there Shugart advices totally against HIIT when on the diet. Still, personally, I think it sounds like a compelling option at least late in the transition period.