Physique Clinic discussion for novagreg

NG,

Now that your PC is finished, I suggest you get your body fat tested. Either go the route that Gus took or get a traditional 12 or 14 site caliper test. You don’t need to share the results.

According to a seminar by Charles Poliquin in 2005, males over 10% are fat.

I just got mine done today. I was 10.8%. It seems, I got carried away with my recent strength training cycle. It is time for me to cut some fat. I would not have realized this unless I got my body fat tested. It is a great tool, use it to your advantage.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
heaping is not helping
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I agree that heaping scoops of mashed potatoes on your plate when you’re supposed to be eating cauliflower does not help you when on a fat-loss diet.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
heaping is not helping

I agree that heaping scoops of mashed potatoes on your plate when you’re supposed to be eating cauliflower does not help you when on a fat-loss diet.[/quote]

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
heaping is not helping

I agree that heaping scoops of mashed potatoes on your plate when you’re supposed to be eating cauliflower does not help you when on a fat-loss diet.[/quote]

Wait, what? I thought if i put a Tbsp of flax in my 10oz of mashed potatoes it made it a perfectly acceptable fibrous veggie? no?

I don’t know what happened during the PC, but I wish I could keep my shoulder and arm size like greg has. His shoulders haven’t dropped at all in 4 months, and his arms only 1/8 of an inch. Man… I have lost 36lbs since dec. 1st and my arms are down almost 2 inches and the same with my shoulders. I wonder what his secret is. :rolleyes:

At least this has confirmed that supps aren’t magical. Can’t do shit without having your diet in check first.

[quote]curax wrote:
curax wrote:
MikeTheBear wrote:
gerardmarceau wrote:
What is this, the gospel according to Shugart?

If you want to stay in the PC, yeah, it is. Either do the plan as written or give back the free supplements and get out. I didn’t make these rules. Shugs did. Go complain to him if you don’t like how the PC is run.

As far as I know, HIIT is acceptable and even preferred in the transition period while on the V-Diet. Do it on off days from lifting. I think at least Gus did it in his PC in transition from V-Diet.

Hmm, just had a look at the new Velocity Diet forum, and there Shugart advices totally against HIIT when on the diet. Still, personally, I think it sounds like a compelling option at least late in the transition period.[/quote]

In transition, absolutely. But people were making these comments when Greg was on the full-blown V-Diet.

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
In transition, absolutely. But people were making these comments when Greg was on the full-blown V-Diet.[/quote]

Mike, I think that you’re mistaken.

The first mention of HIIT in this thread was from Gerardmarceau on April 28th, which was a full 10 days into Greg’s transition phase, and was a suggestion for Greg to switch things up now that he’s done the V-diet.

-Soup

[quote]varnish wrote:
NG,

Now that your PC is finished, I suggest you get your body fat tested. Either go the route that Gus took or get a traditional 12 or 14 site caliper test. You don’t need to share the results.

According to a seminar by Charles Poliquin in 2005, males over 10% are fat.

I just got mine done today. I was 10.8%. It seems, I got carried away with my recent strength training cycle. It is time for me to cut some fat. I would not have realized this unless I got my body fat tested. It is a great tool, use it to your advantage.

I really hope that you are joking about the 10 percent fat thing. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

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Nice, a fan of tintin. Almost makes you tolerable.

[quote]Chucknorrislol wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
heaping is not helping

I agree that heaping scoops of mashed potatoes on your plate when you’re supposed to be eating cauliflower does not help you when on a fat-loss diet.

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[quote]Lowery38595 wrote:

I really hope that you are joking about the 10 percent fat thing. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

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For most individuals 10% represents no visible fat (Read: Not Ripped). I’m sure that this could be argued either way, so it depends on the individual. I use the 10% rule myself.

I wouldn’t call a 10% caliper test ‘fat’ but it’s certainly not ripped. I think commonly the difference between caliper and DEXA is about 3-4% so that means a 10% caliper test could represent 14%.

Fat is a pretty unspecific term I’d say that anyone over 15% on a good caliper test should be looking at their diet.

For me personally I noticed a big difference at about the 20%, 16% and 12% mark… I’d heard before that it’s 4% difference that you can actually see and that seems to be about right.

Well, Greg failed to follow through on his last promise of the PC: to post up his summary before the weekend is out. This pretty much sums up the whole PC for greg.

[quote]Diomede wrote:
Well, Greg failed to follow through on his last promise of the PC: to post up his summary before the weekend is out. This pretty much sums up the whole PC for greg.

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LOL, at everyone having a split screen shot except NovaGreg.

I feel that we, the T-Nation community, should now be allowed to vote on what Nova’s picture should have written across it…some of the other examples were Crewpierce: Misson Accomplished, bizarre: drop out. Now I think Nova Greg’s should be tagged with colossal failure.

[quote]Diomede wrote:
Well, Greg failed to follow through on his last promise of the PC: to post up his summary before the weekend is out. This pretty much sums up the whole PC for greg.

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Sure he will be back with a bunch of excuses…

[quote]Diomede wrote:
Well, Greg failed to follow through on his last promise of the PC: to post up his summary before the weekend is out. This pretty much sums up the whole PC for greg.

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Then when he finally came through with the summary, he left out the final pics he promised.

If you went on a two-day bender capped off with Papa John’s (I just did!), you wouldn’t post pictures, either. Instead, you’d wait a day or two, get a couple workouts in to sweat out some of the salt and preservatives, and THEN post pictures.

Granted, the pictures might not show much change, but the worst of the bloat would be gone.

What, you thought it was a “coincidence” that the pictures were never take on the same day of each week?

The morons and fools will ignore this evidence as well. After all, we humans do not have the ability to draw inferences. If someone says something is true, by golly, that’s the end of the discussion.

In any event, what can we learn from this? That’s the real issue, since Greg is long gone.

Someone said it earlier, and it should be repeated here: The next PC people MUST post face pictures.

Greg didn’t, and he flaked and cheated. There just wasn’t any accountability. He can show up at the gym and never think that he’s being watched.

Face pics = accountability.

That can’t be his summary though, it’s way too short and doesn’t address anything in depth even taking into account it’s supposed to be a summary.

I’m guessing (and hoping) there is way more to come.

I hope the next round of applicants applies themselves far better than novagreg did. Attitude and follow through was disappointing.

The PCs are about learning for the applicants and us reading it and I think more than anything it’s taught us that attitude is probably the most important thing. The best performers have been the people that complained the least and just got on with it. I remember Barti owning up to a cheat arvo and all the stuff he’s eaten that he wasn’t supposed to. I don’t believe novagreg stuck to the diet exactly, yet I don’t remember him saying he has even had a little wander off path.

So … yes the PCs have been a great place to learn about nutrition, workouts and supplementation but more than anything it’s been great to see the mentality of people that really make a change in their life vs those that don’t.

I hope they follow everyone up in six months and see where they’re at.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:

The next PC people MUST post face pictures.

Greg didn’t, and he flaked and cheated. There just wasn’t any accountability. He can show up at the gym and never think that he’s being watched.

Face pics = accountability.[/quote]

This is kind of creepy.

He knows he’s failed, and we know he’s failed. We know that without having to see his face. As for ‘knowing he’s being watched’, that’s even creepier.

There was someone else who dropped out of the PC. He posted at least one pic of his face, IIRC. It’s not a guarantee.

The bottom line is that he’s the one who loses out in the end. It has nothing to do with us.

We aren’t part of Greg’s life, or even his Physique Clinic. The whole purpose of a PC discussion thread anyway is just Roman spectacle. Greg was just one of the Christians who didn’t make it out of the lion pit.

[quote]Chucknorrislol wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:

The next PC people MUST post face pictures.

Greg didn’t, and he flaked and cheated. There just wasn’t any accountability. He can show up at the gym and never think that he’s being watched.

Face pics = accountability.

This is kind of creepy.

He knows he’s failed, and we know he’s failed. We know that without having to see his face. As for ‘knowing he’s being watched’, that’s even creepier.

There was someone else who dropped out of the PC. He posted at least one pic of his face, IIRC. It’s not a guarantee.

The bottom line is that he’s the one who loses out in the end. It has nothing to do with us.

We aren’t part of Greg’s life, or even his Physique Clinic. The whole purpose of a PC discussion thread anyway is just Roman spectacle. Greg was just one of the Christians who didn’t make it out of the lion pit.[/quote]

Implying that Greg was “thrown” into the lion pit for our pleasure is a misstatement, I believe. He volunteered for this! He’s the one that wanted the accountability by putting himself on the national stage infront of thousands of people to watch him succeed or fail at this. Hell he has been published here on T-Nation before, so in that regard, I do hold him to a higher standard than the other PCers.

I have seen some people claim that we only participate in this thread just to kick someone while they are down for our pleasure. That we enjoy watching utter failure! If this were true, Bartl’s thread wouldn’t be pages upon pages of support and enthusiasm from the same people “holding” Greg back! Same with the other PCers. The same people throwing criticisms towards Greg hold the other PCers WHO WERE TRUTHFUL AND SUCCESSFUL BY ANY STANDARDS, warrented support. The Roman/Christian theory is out.

Don’t try to potray Greg as our hero fighting an uphill battle agaisnt all our thumbs. The guy is sick. Mentally and obviously physically. I just want him to be gone with a whole new set of PCers so he can get washed away from the lime-light and go into a f*cking corner never to be seen again.

It’s really sad about Greg. Thinking of the opportunity he had and the absolute lack of effort to want to improve. It just sucks.

Greg bought lots of T-Nation supps before the clinic since he was a “Level 4”, at least that’s what I thought he was. Amazingly, they did nothing for him. Supplements are supplements. If your diet blows, supplements can’t fix it.

What I really think happened was, that he liked the idea of doing this clinic, but when he realized what he had gotten himself into, he couldn’t just run away in defeat. He was afraid that he would never be a part of the T-Nation community again.

It’s not like Bizarre is posting anymore. Greg likes to eat, that’s how he got so fat in the first place, so the idea of not eating and not being able to put on muscle, this was not what he had wanted. He had second thoughts. He probably wasn’t expecting to be picked in the first place.

However, since he knew he was sticking with the plan at 50 or 60 percent, he couldn’t really give good feedback. He just wasn’t a good enough liar for that. You could tell the clinic wasn’t really a part of him by how little he posted. He probably tried a couple times and then he just sort of gave up.

He’s a lazy guy. He’s probably real nice, a good person, etc., but he doesn’t want to diet. He likes being big. He’s still caught up in the size game. Unfortunately, the truth is, he’ll never weigh 240 lean, he just doesn’t have the genetics for it.

Then, when he actually gave things a go, he tried to make himself look like he was making up for lost time by shaving his body and changing his poses.

Greg was too embarrassed to show his weight again, since he knew that he didn’t lose nearly what he had expected, since he probably doubled up on shakes or had extra food. The scale was never seen. The other part that sucked was his complete lack of trying in the post V-diet meals.

He posted to me that he used cheese for a “saturated fat source”?!?!?! Only tremendous fatties who are afraid of being small consider cheese to be a healthy and productive meal. Not to mention eating hamburger and raisins and pumpkin pie filling and all the other borderline junk crap that he still needed.

The other thing that drove me nuts was his incessant assault on the treadmill. Cardio sucks, you don’t need it to get lean- unless we’re talking bodybuilding comp. It probably made Greg a lot hungrier and fatter. His training could have made him lose the tub, but his appetite got the best of him. 2 hours of cardio doesn’t do dick if your diet isn’t in check or if you’re eating too much.

Honestly, what amazes me everytime I come to his thread is looking at the before pictures. He looks like his before picture to a T! Even after 5 months. It looks like he got fatter somewhere during the clinic, probably near the first month, when he was hoping to get stronger, so that he would magically gain more muscle and drop bodyfat because of having the extra lean mass.

He has a shot at becoming lean, but at this point, he ruined one of the best chances he’ll ever get. He didn’t want to do the work. Unfortunately what defeated him was fear and his ravenous appetite. Hopefully, he learned something in 5 months and will not gain back all 10 pounds that he lost.

[quote]listerfan wrote:
Diomede wrote:
Well, Greg failed to follow through on his last promise of the PC: to post up his summary before the weekend is out. This pretty much sums up the whole PC for greg.

LOL, at everyone having a split screen shot except NovaGreg.

I feel that we, the T-Nation community, should now be allowed to vote on what Nova’s picture should have written across it…some of the other examples were Crewpierce: Misson Accomplished, bizarre: drop out. Now I think Nova Greg’s should be tagged with colossal failure.[/quote]

They should just delete anything from NovaGreg from their servers. The same with Bizarre.