Hey Greg! You toughed it out fella.
So have you thought back on the experience yet and given thoughts to what you learned and what things you will incorporate, what you won’t do again, what new habits you have or what old habits you shed?
What do you think helped you most?
Do you think you could have done this without the clinic?
Did you find posting daily to be helpful or hurtful and a PC participant?
Eh…I don’t want to look like a dick here, but other than the fact that Greg chose to shave/wax his chest, I don’t see much of a difference.
I find it very hard to believe that barring a medical condition, he could be doing so poorly.
His attitude seems telling as well. It is always the guys that agree completely, talk about the affirmations and motivational quotes that they just printed off to post on the walls of their cubicle, etc. that are sneaking the twinkies.
I have a strong suspicion that at least initially, he was under the impression that the supplements and coaching was so good that he could make progress with substandard effort and ‘minor’ infidelity to his diet.
I’ve got to agree with Fiction. The difference in the pictures is hard to tell because Greg is in different positions. He’s relaxed in the first couple and then flexing and shaved in the second. While in the third, he’s flexed in the pre v-diet and relaxed in the after.
If he would just stand relaxed the same every week (and not suck in his stomach and flex his arms in profile) and let us see some scale numbers on the digital, then that would be much more accurate.
Please, people, don’t believe that he couldn’t lose weight without the v-diet. Will Greg have to live on Metabolic Drive shakes and milled flax for the rest of his life to get fat off?
It took this guy four months to start doing some work and now we’re going to believe that Shugs’ diet is the only way Nova could lose weight? Man, I would love to see what that scale says right about now.
I hear what you guys are saying and yes you have valid points. All I am saying is I can see a differance in the before and after photo posted by Xeneize. From the front there looks to be less love handles and even the faint outline of AB’s there.
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Eh…I don’t want to look like a dick here, but other than the fact that Greg chose to shave/wax his chest, I don’t see much of a difference.
I find it very hard to believe that barring a medical condition, he could be doing so poorly.
His attitude seems telling as well. It is always the guys that agree completely, talk about the affirmations and motivational quotes that they just printed off to post on the walls of their cubicle, etc. that are sneaking the twinkies.
I have a strong suspicion that at least initially, he was under the impression that the supplements and coaching was so good that he could make progress with substandard effort and ‘minor’ infidelity to his diet.[/quote]
No, I’m pretty sure you did want to be a dick. That’s fine, go ahead and try to belittle the progress I’ve made with your insults, if it makes you feel like a big man.
[quote]gerardmarceau wrote:
I’ve got to agree with Fiction. The difference in the pictures is hard to tell because Greg is in different positions. He’s relaxed in the first couple and then flexing and shaved in the second. While in the third, he’s flexed in the pre v-diet and relaxed in the after.
If he would just stand relaxed the same every week (and not suck in his stomach and flex his arms in profile) and let us see some scale numbers on the digital, then that would be much more accurate.
Please, people, don’t believe that he couldn’t lose weight without the v-diet. Will Greg have to live on Metabolic Drive shakes and milled flax for the rest of his life to get fat off?
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First off, the front, side, and back shots that are set up side by side are relaxed.
And did you honestly fucking tell me I should stop wanting to gain more muscle? This is a fucking bodybuilding website, and while my primary focus is fat loss, gaining muscle is what got me into lifting in the first place.
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements.
You’re just another nameless face making criticisms without any advice about perhaps what has worked well for you, and maybe offering some helpful words of encouragement. I have a friend who for all I know might be dying, and I really don’t need your bullshit.
Has my transformation in this time period been close to that of Gus or Bartl? Fuck no, I’ll be the first one to admit that. But the premise of the PC is self improvement, making myself better, and not being wrapped up with someone else’s results. Gus and Bartl are two of the main people I communicate with via PM and they have offered me many words of encouragement during some of the hard times I’ve had recently, and I’ll always appreciate that.
I’m not sitting around looking for people to tell me I look shredded now, or that I’m going to be ready for my IFBB pro card in another two years. I’m just looking to reach the finish line of the PC, and to continue to make progress once it is completed.
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
I hear what you guys are saying and yes you have valid points. All I am saying is I can see a differance in the before and after photo posted by Xeneize. From the front there looks to be less love handles and even the faint outline of AB’s there. [/quote]
I don’t see how one could not see a difference. Sure it’s a work in progress, but some positive changes are undeniably evident.
I’d be curious to see verification of the waist measurement. Bartl says his belly button area is 35 inches; whereas, Novagreg says the largest part of his waist is 36 3/4 inches. Looks like more than 1 3/4 inches difference to me, but I’d love to be proved wrong.
[quote]Xeneize wrote:
I don’t see how one could not see a difference. Sure it’s a work in progress, but some positive changes are undeniably evident. [/quote]
Exactly. If people are so skeptical and critical of Greg’s lack of weight loss before the V-Diet, they should easily see the progress he’s made while on it. Kudos to Greg for stepping up and getting stuff done. Congrats, bro.
Xeneize I want her name and number! (the lady in your avatar)
Nova…shaping up good. Definitely think a 2nd round of the V-diet in a month or so would work well for ya.
Glad to see you got results from the V-diet!
Just keep it up, it’s for you and nobody else.
[quote]JoeX wrote:
Xeneize I want her name and number! (the lady in your avatar)
Nova…shaping up good. Definitely think a 2nd round of the V-diet in a month or so would work well for ya.
Glad to see you got results from the V-diet!
Just keep it up, it’s for you and nobody else.
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ha ha. I’ll see what I can do. It’s my favorite cheerleader outfit ever.
[quote]mrodock wrote:
I’d be curious to see verification of the waist measurement. Bartl says his belly button area is 35 inches; whereas, Novagreg says the largest part of his waist is 36 3/4 inches. Looks like more than 1 3/4 inches difference to me, but I’d love to be proved wrong.[/quote]
That’s an interesting spot for sure.
I’m definitely a lot leaner and smaller than greg but probably not as small as Bart and my waist at belly button is just under 34". Photos can be deceiving I guess…
Who cares at this stage.
Bart and Gus kicked arse, Greg not so much but he’s hopefully learned how to eat properly and do some good lifting. The most important yardstick of all of this will be how they all are doing in six months time.
[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
mrodock wrote:
I’d be curious to see verification of the waist measurement. Bartl says his belly button area is 35 inches; whereas, Novagreg says the largest part of his waist is 36 3/4 inches. Looks like more than 1 3/4 inches difference to me, but I’d love to be proved wrong.
That’s an interesting spot for sure.
I’m definitely a lot leaner and smaller than greg but probably not as small as Bart and my waist at belly button is just under 34". Photos can be deceiving I guess…
Who cares at this stage.
Bart and Gus kicked arse, Greg not so much but he’s hopefully learned how to eat properly and do some good lifting. The most important yardstick of all of this will be how they all are doing in six months time.
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I doubt you can learn to eat properly with the V-Diet, unless the definition of eating properly is drinking protein shakes.
[quote]JT99 wrote:
I doubt you can learn to eat properly with the V-Diet, unless the definition of eating properly is drinking protein shakes.
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After doing the V-Diet I can say that it gave me a taste for a lot of healthy foods that I absolutely hated previously. I hated salad and couldn’t be bothered with veges that weren’t microwaveable etc etc. Now I love salads, love steamed veges, love unrefined food. I always had an interest in nutrition but it ramped that up a lot as I wanted to further understand how to eat better.
My meal just then was 100g of lettuce, a tomato and some fried onion in chilli and garlic with almonds and some cold chicken thigh. I can absolutely say I’d have never eaten that before the V-Diet.
The V-Diet cna definitely set you on the right course, it’s just up to you to follow it.
[quote]novagreg wrote:
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements. [/quote]
Not really–they don’t want to give up on you, they want to make you a success story. After all, if they only took the good candidates, they wouldn’t be very good coaches would they.
But don’t forget–they were pretty close. Shugs even asked if you were an alcoholic. Clearly I’m not the only one who is incredulous.
Isn’t criticism equally as important as encouragement? If you just want some positive affirmations maybe you should check out http://www.thesecret.tv/ . I believe TC wrote an article about it. http://www.T-Nation.com/article/atomic_dog/atomic_dog_my_speech_to_the_graduates_2007&cr=features
As for advice, I can’t think of much advice that the T-Nation community can provide you that Shugs and Thibs would be providing better.
Also, don’t forget–this is not YOUR thread, this is our thread. We come here to talk ABOUT you, not TO you. You are an honored guest here.
I’ve seen your reactions before to other criticism before, so I’m not surprised…but more than your lack of progress, it is your attitude that makes me suspect something is up. Your propensity to be defensive, swear, belittle others, and engage in flame wars with those “nameless faces” make me think something is up. If criticism is offered, just take it like a man…sure there are a few assholes around here, but by and large, everyone has been supportive to the other PC participants. Take the criticism as serious and rather than freaking out on some internet junky, consider it a personal challenge.
If I were in your position, rather than “focusing on self-improvement” I’d be on this thread talking to all of the critics and saying, “Yeah guys, I know I haven’t hardly progressed at all. What do you think is up. I’ve been a stickler with my diet and I’m trying everything–I don’t know what to do–give me some advice. I have noticed that I have been losing weight better if I do X…any thoughts?” I would be begging others to give me a hand–which most gladly would if you asked–rather than being defensive. Are our criticisms legit? If so, get your ass in gear. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity, so make the most of it.
[quote]novagreg wrote:
First off, the front, side, and back shots that are set up side by side are relaxed.
And did you honestly fucking tell me I should stop wanting to gain more muscle? This is a fucking bodybuilding website, and while my primary focus is fat loss, gaining muscle is what got me into lifting in the first place.
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements.
You’re just another nameless face making criticisms without any advice about perhaps what has worked well for you, and maybe offering some helpful words of encouragement. I have a friend who for all I know might be dying, and I really don’t need your bullshit.
Has my transformation in this time period been close to that of Gus or Bartl? Fuck no, I’ll be the first one to admit that. But the premise of the PC is self improvement, making myself better, and not being wrapped up with someone else’s results. Gus and Bartl are two of the main people I communicate with via PM and they have offered me many words of encouragement during some of the hard times I’ve had recently, and I’ll always appreciate that.
I’m not sitting around looking for people to tell me I look shredded now, or that I’m going to be ready for my IFBB pro card in another two years. I’m just looking to reach the finish line of the PC, and to continue to make progress once it is completed.
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Greg, I mean relaxed as in…relaxed. Not,“hey, I’m flexing my bodyparts like I’m in a comp being relaxed”. Just fucking stand there, stop shaving, changing positions, etc.
And yes, you should stop worrying about building muscle. You’ve built maybe 2 or 3 lbs of muscle in the last 5 months, so it’s that mentality of being big that had stopped your fat loss progress. You’re thinking about whether you got enough nutrients /calories to ensure muscle growth. If you didn’t worry about that, fat loss would be the only issue.
I see it with guys all the time. They get into this quasi-fat loss mode and the minute they look flat or small, they increase their food intake. When dieting, it’s about being anti-catabolic not anabolic.
If I’m nameless, then you’re faceless, pal. Funny enough, my handle is my name.
Advice: stop worrying about losing muscle. Face the fear of being under 200 lbs. You can build up later doing a clean bulk. You can be big again.
more advice: calories in vs. calories out. Sure, a calorie is not a calorie, but if you take more in than you expend during the day, you’re not going to lose weight, and depending on those calories, you may just stay at the same weight. It’s thermodynamics.
Helpful words of encouragement: be realistic. Grab that fat, realize it ain’t muscle. Stick your stomach out, see how the fat isn’t contributing to your bodybuilding goals. Lose it. Hunger doesn’t mean you’re losing muscle, it means that your fat is scared of leaving you. You’ve been friends for a long time, you took care of it by feeding it, and now it’s getting the boot.
You’re either the missing link or you ate too much to allow for fatloss to occur for months on end. Your progress is that of someone who didn’t do the work. You body wasn’t stubborn, your fat loss hadn’t stalled- you didn’t do the work. You know it and I know it. You made your bed tough guy, you’re gonna sleep in it.
I’m not comparing you to Chris or Gus. Those guys did what they did. You had a diet of, correct me if I’m wrong, 1900 calories at one point, low carbs, 2 cardio sessions, a fat burner, and weight training and it still wasn’t coming off? I would have gone to the doctor at that point.
I’ll go further than Shugs did: I know you didn’t stick to the diet. I know you ate extra food. I know you were hoping to come out of this with an extra 20 lbs of muscle and the fat would just come off.
I don’t like liars. I don’t appreciate people being deceptive, non descript, phoning it in, when they’ve been given an amazing opportunity.
I love this site and I have lots of respect for the people on it. I don’t like seeing people being taken for a ride.
And finally, out of respect for your friend, be a man. Don’t ever bring him into this again, you asshole.
[quote]gerardmarceau wrote:
novagreg wrote:
First off, the front, side, and back shots that are set up side by side are relaxed.
And did you honestly fucking tell me I should stop wanting to gain more muscle? This is a fucking bodybuilding website, and while my primary focus is fat loss, gaining muscle is what got me into lifting in the first place.
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements.
You’re just another nameless face making criticisms without any advice about perhaps what has worked well for you, and maybe offering some helpful words of encouragement. I have a friend who for all I know might be dying, and I really don’t need your bullshit.
Has my transformation in this time period been close to that of Gus or Bartl? Fuck no, I’ll be the first one to admit that. But the premise of the PC is self improvement, making myself better, and not being wrapped up with someone else’s results. Gus and Bartl are two of the main people I communicate with via PM and they have offered me many words of encouragement during some of the hard times I’ve had recently, and I’ll always appreciate that.
I’m not sitting around looking for people to tell me I look shredded now, or that I’m going to be ready for my IFBB pro card in another two years. I’m just looking to reach the finish line of the PC, and to continue to make progress once it is completed.
Greg, I mean relaxed as in…relaxed. Not,“hey, I’m flexing my bodyparts like I’m in a comp being relaxed”. Just fucking stand there, stop shaving, changing positions, etc.
And yes, you should stop worrying about building muscle. You’ve built maybe 2 or 3 lbs of muscle in the last 5 months, so it’s that mentality of being big that had stopped your fat loss progress. You’re thinking about whether you got enough nutrients /calories to ensure muscle growth. If you didn’t worry about that, fat loss would be the only issue.
I see it with guys all the time. They get into this quasi-fat loss mode and the minute they look flat or small, they increase their food intake. When dieting, it’s about being anti-catabolic not anabolic.
If I’m nameless, then you’re faceless, pal. Funny enough, my handle is my name.
Advice: stop worrying about losing muscle. Face the fear of being under 200 lbs. You can build up later doing a clean bulk. You can be big again.
more advice: calories in vs. calories out. Sure, a calorie is not a calorie, but if you take more in than you expend during the day, you’re not going to lose weight, and depending on those calories, you may just stay at the same weight. It’s thermodynamics.
Helpful words of encouragement: be realistic. Grab that fat, realize it ain’t muscle. Stick your stomach out, see how the fat isn’t contributing to your bodybuilding goals. Lose it. Hunger doesn’t mean you’re losing muscle, it means that your fat is scared of leaving you. You’ve been friends for a long time, you took care of it by feeding it, and now it’s getting the boot.
You’re either the missing link or you ate too much to allow for fatloss to occur for months on end. Your progress is that of someone who didn’t do the work. You body wasn’t stubborn, your fat loss hadn’t stalled- you didn’t do the work. You know it and I know it. You made your bed tough guy, you’re gonna sleep in it.
I’m not comparing you to Chris or Gus. Those guys did what they did. You had a diet of, correct me if I’m wrong, 1900 calories at one point, low carbs, 2 cardio sessions, a fat burner, and weight training and it still wasn’t coming off? I would have gone to the doctor at that point.
I’ll go further than Shugs did: I know you didn’t stick to the diet. I know you ate extra food. I know you were hoping to come out of this with an extra 20 lbs of muscle and the fat would just come off.
I don’t like liars. I don’t appreciate people being deceptive, non descript, phoning it in, when they’ve been given an amazing opportunity.
I love this site and I have lots of respect for the people on it. I don’t like seeing people being taken for a ride.
And finally, out of respect for your friend, be a man. Don’t ever bring him into this again, you asshole. [/quote]
nicely said
Hey NovaGreg,
How do you cook your turkey chili? I just started eating a lot of 97% fat free turkey recently and have yet to find a way to make it have some flavor.
[quote]gerardmarceau wrote:
novagreg wrote:
First off, the front, side, and back shots that are set up side by side are relaxed.
And did you honestly fucking tell me I should stop wanting to gain more muscle? This is a fucking bodybuilding website, and while my primary focus is fat loss, gaining muscle is what got me into lifting in the first place.
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements.
You’re just another nameless face making criticisms without any advice about perhaps what has worked well for you, and maybe offering some helpful words of encouragement. I have a friend who for all I know might be dying, and I really don’t need your bullshit.
Has my transformation in this time period been close to that of Gus or Bartl? Fuck no, I’ll be the first one to admit that. But the premise of the PC is self improvement, making myself better, and not being wrapped up with someone else’s results. Gus and Bartl are two of the main people I communicate with via PM and they have offered me many words of encouragement during some of the hard times I’ve had recently, and I’ll always appreciate that.
I’m not sitting around looking for people to tell me I look shredded now, or that I’m going to be ready for my IFBB pro card in another two years. I’m just looking to reach the finish line of the PC, and to continue to make progress once it is completed.
Greg, I mean relaxed as in…relaxed. Not,“hey, I’m flexing my bodyparts like I’m in a comp being relaxed”. Just fucking stand there, stop shaving, changing positions, etc.
And yes, you should stop worrying about building muscle. You’ve built maybe 2 or 3 lbs of muscle in the last 5 months, so it’s that mentality of being big that had stopped your fat loss progress. You’re thinking about whether you got enough nutrients /calories to ensure muscle growth. If you didn’t worry about that, fat loss would be the only issue.
I see it with guys all the time. They get into this quasi-fat loss mode and the minute they look flat or small, they increase their food intake. When dieting, it’s about being anti-catabolic not anabolic.
If I’m nameless, then you’re faceless, pal. Funny enough, my handle is my name.
Advice: stop worrying about losing muscle. Face the fear of being under 200 lbs. You can build up later doing a clean bulk. You can be big again.
more advice: calories in vs. calories out. Sure, a calorie is not a calorie, but if you take more in than you expend during the day, you’re not going to lose weight, and depending on those calories, you may just stay at the same weight. It’s thermodynamics.
Helpful words of encouragement: be realistic. Grab that fat, realize it ain’t muscle. Stick your stomach out, see how the fat isn’t contributing to your bodybuilding goals. Lose it. Hunger doesn’t mean you’re losing muscle, it means that your fat is scared of leaving you. You’ve been friends for a long time, you took care of it by feeding it, and now it’s getting the boot.
You’re either the missing link or you ate too much to allow for fatloss to occur for months on end. Your progress is that of someone who didn’t do the work. You body wasn’t stubborn, your fat loss hadn’t stalled- you didn’t do the work. You know it and I know it. You made your bed tough guy, you’re gonna sleep in it.
I’m not comparing you to Chris or Gus. Those guys did what they did. You had a diet of, correct me if I’m wrong, 1900 calories at one point, low carbs, 2 cardio sessions, a fat burner, and weight training and it still wasn’t coming off? I would have gone to the doctor at that point.
I’ll go further than Shugs did: I know you didn’t stick to the diet. I know you ate extra food. I know you were hoping to come out of this with an extra 20 lbs of muscle and the fat would just come off.
I don’t like liars. I don’t appreciate people being deceptive, non descript, phoning it in, when they’ve been given an amazing opportunity.
I love this site and I have lots of respect for the people on it. I don’t like seeing people being taken for a ride.
And finally, out of respect for your friend, be a man. Don’t ever bring him into this again, you asshole. [/quote]
Well, Shugart told me to try to open up to people about what goes on in my personal life, so if I’m an asshole in your eyes for that, so be it.
I’m sorry we’re not on the same page and you think I’m lying to you, but I’ve been telling the truth the whole time, and certain diet and training protocols don’t work optimally for every single person across the board.
Parts of what you wrote, I was under the impression you were actually offering me sincere advice, and then the last few things you wrote, the complete opposite. It felt like you just wanted to take more shots at me, just for the sake of taking shots.
And for the record, my friends illness is NOT an excuse for periods of lack of progress during my PC. I’m sure a ton of people for whatever reason would have liked to have seen me pack it in about 8 weeks ago, but regardless, I’m ending this thing up on a good note. In a few days it’ll all be over, and I’ll be back to paying for my Biotest supplements just like everyone else.
[quote]shffl wrote:
gerardmarceau wrote:
novagreg wrote:
First off, the front, side, and back shots that are set up side by side are relaxed.
And did you honestly fucking tell me I should stop wanting to gain more muscle? This is a fucking bodybuilding website, and while my primary focus is fat loss, gaining muscle is what got me into lifting in the first place.
If the coaches thought I wasn’t doing any work, they would have booted me out of the PC long ago, and I would have shipped back all my supplements.
You’re just another nameless face making criticisms without any advice about perhaps what has worked well for you, and maybe offering some helpful words of encouragement. I have a friend who for all I know might be dying, and I really don’t need your bullshit.
Has my transformation in this time period been close to that of Gus or Bartl? Fuck no, I’ll be the first one to admit that. But the premise of the PC is self improvement, making myself better, and not being wrapped up with someone else’s results. Gus and Bartl are two of the main people I communicate with via PM and they have offered me many words of encouragement during some of the hard times I’ve had recently, and I’ll always appreciate that.
I’m not sitting around looking for people to tell me I look shredded now, or that I’m going to be ready for my IFBB pro card in another two years. I’m just looking to reach the finish line of the PC, and to continue to make progress once it is completed.
Greg, I mean relaxed as in…relaxed. Not,“hey, I’m flexing my bodyparts like I’m in a comp being relaxed”. Just fucking stand there, stop shaving, changing positions, etc.
And yes, you should stop worrying about building muscle. You’ve built maybe 2 or 3 lbs of muscle in the last 5 months, so it’s that mentality of being big that had stopped your fat loss progress. You’re thinking about whether you got enough nutrients /calories to ensure muscle growth. If you didn’t worry about that, fat loss would be the only issue.
I see it with guys all the time. They get into this quasi-fat loss mode and the minute they look flat or small, they increase their food intake. When dieting, it’s about being anti-catabolic not anabolic.
If I’m nameless, then you’re faceless, pal. Funny enough, my handle is my name.
Advice: stop worrying about losing muscle. Face the fear of being under 200 lbs. You can build up later doing a clean bulk. You can be big again.
more advice: calories in vs. calories out. Sure, a calorie is not a calorie, but if you take more in than you expend during the day, you’re not going to lose weight, and depending on those calories, you may just stay at the same weight. It’s thermodynamics.
Helpful words of encouragement: be realistic. Grab that fat, realize it ain’t muscle. Stick your stomach out, see how the fat isn’t contributing to your bodybuilding goals. Lose it. Hunger doesn’t mean you’re losing muscle, it means that your fat is scared of leaving you. You’ve been friends for a long time, you took care of it by feeding it, and now it’s getting the boot.
You’re either the missing link or you ate too much to allow for fatloss to occur for months on end. Your progress is that of someone who didn’t do the work. You body wasn’t stubborn, your fat loss hadn’t stalled- you didn’t do the work. You know it and I know it. You made your bed tough guy, you’re gonna sleep in it.
I’m not comparing you to Chris or Gus. Those guys did what they did. You had a diet of, correct me if I’m wrong, 1900 calories at one point, low carbs, 2 cardio sessions, a fat burner, and weight training and it still wasn’t coming off? I would have gone to the doctor at that point.
I’ll go further than Shugs did: I know you didn’t stick to the diet. I know you ate extra food. I know you were hoping to come out of this with an extra 20 lbs of muscle and the fat would just come off.
I don’t like liars. I don’t appreciate people being deceptive, non descript, phoning it in, when they’ve been given an amazing opportunity.
I love this site and I have lots of respect for the people on it. I don’t like seeing people being taken for a ride.
And finally, out of respect for your friend, be a man. Don’t ever bring him into this again, you asshole.
nicely said
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I totally agree…i know some may say i sound lkike a hypocrite right about now because i offeered greg some words of encouragement way at the begiing of the thread…but now this man has definatly shown some progress…as others have said its a shame that it took this long…
now i am not beating a dead horse or anything of that nature but as gerardmarceau problems everyone has but to bring your friend who is posibly dying into this arguement and using him as an excuse so to speak is just fucked up and your wrong for that one bro…Take your shit like a man and keep going…as of right now your doing good with the V-diet and it would definatly be good to see yo9u and your progress 6 months from now…Truck on man and good luck