Physique Clinic discussion for novagreg

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[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
Agree CT.

Now with proper feedback in place if the results aren’t forthcoming then Nova can see a doctor and get it sorted.

The past is done and unchangeable. There is only reason to think about the present and future. [/quote]

Nova has insisted multiple times within this discussion thread that he saw a doctor recently and that nothing abnormal was found. He gave no indication as to exactly what was tested for, if anything, but all we can go off of is that Nova said the doc gave him a clean bill of health.

Based off that I think we can put the mysterious metabolic disease theory to rest…

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Also totally what Shugs said about not doing ‘more’ on the V-Diet than they suggest.

I lost 13kg on the V-Diet and going by BF% about 1kg of that was muscle. That was my fault. I am a very active person I do 40mins cycling 5x wk, 2x 2hr BJJ sessions, 4x1hr weights, 2-3x 30min-1hr running, plus a 45km ride on the weekend. That’s per week :slight_smile:

So I go into teh V-Diet and go yeah I’ll follow the weights routine and the eating but I’m gonna keep doing my normal other activities. I was in ketosis by the end of the first week and didn’t know what it actually was until it twigged… shit taste, dehydrated… ah hah!

ANYWAY I knocked it back to the walking, weights and BJJ and slowly came out of ketosis (according to stix) and kept losing weight at exactly the same rate.

Also I used 3 different powders during the run. I got good results with a blend, I got okay results with just whey (this wasn’t my choice, I had a week of this) and AWESOME results with milk powder concentrate. So having a great protein powder makes a real difference.

Anyway this is getting long. Best of luck and do yourself proud. Seriously at 250lbs if you don’t lose 20lbs in 4 weeks you need to see a doctor!!

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Hi Novagreg,

I’ve been following every post in all of the Physique Clinics since they began (sad huh lol?). I haven’t followed their discussion threads so i don’t know, and frankly don’t care if this opinion’s already been voiced but i just wanted to suggest how badly this particular Clinic has reflected on the coaches. On the other hand, Novagreg’s done a sterling job so far. He’s lost a large amount of weight on one scale, and thus the weight on the new one seems somewhat immaterial. Just use it as a new starting point pal.

Why the coaches look to you as the culprit of less visually impressive results i have no idea. Perhaps they need to take a long hard look at themselves. Keep in mind that not everybody responds to the same thins in the same way. Furthermore, why they put Gus and not you on the v-diet at the start i have no idea. Their reaction to your recent scale discovery has been pathetic. Their self-claimed ‘nice-guy’ internet personas to me seem immature. They don’t appear to give proper guidance regarding form, recover and warm-up modalities etc, and they place far too much emphasis on short-term results, dates and numbers instead of looking at the bigger picture.
Keep it up Novagreg.

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i dont know man…this is just weird.

i think you should ask nova to post the exact times he is eating, pictures of his measuring equipment used to prepare the food(scales,measuring spoons, etc.), and also pictures of his food.

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To those of you who are still supporting me, I just want to say thank you. To those people who are just taking Internet shots at me, someday when things aren’t going your way, someone will kick you when you’re down and out; karma is a very real thing.

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Got nothing to do with karma, nova, nothing at all!

Right from the start I was following EACH of you guys in detail. I saved most of the stuff, because the FREE info supplied here was beyond any reasonable scope. I applied myself for the Physique Clinic, but I don´t live inside of the U.S., so there was no chance from the beginning. So I really, really envied you guys and at the same time I wished you guys all the best for this extraordinary chance.

Believe me, I would have done this even if I had to pay all myself! So it just kills me when seeing that kind of stuff. I don´t want to pick on you, because it might have physiological reasons, but then do Biotest and all T-Nation readers a favor and get checked by an MD.

I mean Biotest sponsors you, and it took you months to get normal scales…Damn how long will it take to get a camera to make some normal pictures??? Most of your diet posts are all just copy and pasted. Man I just remember Trojan´s posts. This guy was posting the exact GRAMS he tried to stuff into his gut, so here you have no excuse at all!

All you supporters can start quoting and start to tear my post apart, I don´t care…
I am a guy who never posts, but reads every single article and follows the PC in detail.

BUT I´ve been doing pretty similar volume as Nova and lost 25 pounds (which you can see in the mirror) within 4 months, doing all the diet stuff myself.

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[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
Also totally what Shugs said about not doing ‘more’ on the V-Diet than they suggest.

I lost 13kg on the V-Diet and going by BF% about 1kg of that was muscle. That was my fault. I am a very active person I do 40mins cycling 5x wk, 2x 2hr BJJ sessions, 4x1hr weights, 2-3x 30min-1hr running, plus a 45km ride on the weekend. That’s per week :slight_smile:

So I go into teh V-Diet and go yeah I’ll follow the weights routine and the eating but I’m gonna keep doing my normal other activities. I was in ketosis by the end of the first week and didn’t know what it actually was until it twigged… shit taste, dehydrated… ah hah!

ANYWAY I knocked it back to the walking, weights and BJJ and slowly came out of ketosis (according to stix) and kept losing weight at exactly the same rate.

Also I used 3 different powders during the run. I got good results with a blend, I got okay results with just whey (this wasn’t my choice, I had a week of this) and AWESOME results with milk powder concentrate. So having a great protein powder makes a real difference.

Anyway this is getting long. Best of luck and do yourself proud. Seriously at 250lbs if you don’t lose 20lbs in 4 weeks you need to see a doctor!! [/quote]

Good post. And fair enough that the V-diet is not DESIGNED to be ketogenic. But ketosis should not make you feel BAD. It’s actually a godsend on a diet. I’m doing a ketogenic diet for the first time. And while there is some hunger [which there wasn’t even for the first two weeks], there are NO carb cravings and I have a level of energy and well-being that I’ve never had before on such a strict diet.

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[quote]GPUK wrote:
Hi Novagreg,
I’ve been following every post in all of the physique clinics since they began (sad huh lol?). I haven’t followed their discussion threads so i don’t know, and frankly don’t care if this opinion’s already been voiced but i just wanted to suggest how badly this particular clinic has reflected on the coaches. On the other hand, Novagreg’s done a sterling job so far. He’s lost a large amount of weight on one scale, and thus the weight on the new one seems somewhat immaterial. Just use it as a new starting point pal. Why the coaches look to you as the culprit of less visually impressive results i have no idea. Perhaps they need to take a long hard look at themselves. Keep in mind that not everybody responds to the same thins in the same way. Furthermore, why they put Gus and not you on the v-diet at the start i have no idea. Their reaction to your recent scale discovery has been pathetic. Their self-claimed ‘nice-guy’ internet personas to me seem immature. They don’t appear to give proper guidance regarding form, recover and warm-up modalities etc, and they place far too much emphasis on short-term results, dates and numbers instead of looking at the bigger picture. I sincerely hope this is posted and not filtered. Keep it up Novagreg.[/quote]

Gimme a break! This post is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I’ve said in my preveious post that we should give Nova the benefit of the doubt and I believe we should. [if it ever shows up with T-Nation’s myriad of technical and server issues they haven’t fixed]. But visual results are what matters. Scales can be WRONG. And this one clearly was completely fucked as the new functioning scale demonstrates. You simply don’t lose that supposed amount of fat and not be able to see it. It just does NOT happen.

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I’m curious…

For those of you who keep posting “This reflects badly on the Coaches”, can you elaborate more?

Beyond what they have done; what additional do you propose that they should, (or could), have done?

Mufasa

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I also agree with CT;

Staying positive and supportive is always the best course to take.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’m curious…

For those of you who keep posting “This reflects badly on the Coaches”, can you elaborate more?

Beyond what they have done; what additional do you propose that they should, (or could), have done?

Mufasa[/quote]

I think they MIGHT’VE kicked him out of the clinic a long time ago and given the spot to someone else. I don’t think that would’ve been unfair at all. But I think at this point he should not be kicked out and the coaches and other T-Nation members should support him and hope he is able to have some great results with the V-diet.

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Good luck Nova!

I really hope the V-diet will help you lose some weight. I feelt that the V-diet should have been used earlier but atleast you get to do it now.

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Good luck with the V-Diet man, it’ll work wonders for you! You’d better put Gustav to shame!

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Call me crazy, but I know some guys who tried to lose weight and when they didn;t lose as fast as they hoped initially, they CHOPPED DOWN their calories a LOT more expecting to lose weight faster but actually ended up plateauing completely. IF I didn’t know better, I’d say Greg was eating LESS than what he was reporting to the coaches or doing EXTRA cardio or a combination thereof.
Greg, you easily have the most muscle out of anyone else here in the clinic. Uncover it :slight_smile:

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Thanks guys!

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Just though I would give my 0.02 also…

I’ve been following all of the physique clinics from the start. I know how many people would have PAID to take part in this - let alone receive free training and free supplements. Honestly, posting up decent pictures, weighing your food and owning a decent set of scales isn’t much to ask in return.

Frankly, your log is actually boring to read too. Gus has had AMAZING progress plus he gives us a review of his feelings, how he is handling the training etc. Bartl does this too and you can tell he is really busting his ass.

Unfortunately all you post is what looks like a copy-paste of the diet and workout log. Pictures of food, pictures of you in the gym… hell even just TALKING about your workouts, diet, day etc is absent. People the coaches hundreds of dollars for custom-made training and nutrition plans.

Like I said, it isn’t much to ask in return for a couple of pictures and 10 more minutes to give us more detail.

Seriously - with the money you have saved so far (from not paying for any supplements) you could buy a point and click digital camera with a self timer (certainly less than $100), a set of digital food scales ($20, if that) and a decent set of body scales ($50). That would cost less than a couple coaching sessions with CT and they will last you forever. Get something of a known weight and TEST YOUR SCALES.

These inconsistencies and the lack of a proper starting/current weight is really suspicious. You said you tested the other scales with a 20lb dumbell and they were fine yet now you say they are inaccurate. Yes the scale is just a number but if you can’t trust it, how do you know if you are progressing or not?

Other guys have posted pics of their food. Trojan used to say “ate 157g of turkey” because he weighed out every single thing he ate. That same committment and attention to detail isn’t coming from nova.

SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE must be wrong. At a weight of approx 250lbs you would be an absolute anomoly to only lose 4-10lbs on such a low calorie, healthy diet plus working out AND cardio… it’s almost impossible NOT to lose weight. It’s pure physics - calories in vs calories out. I agree with the coaches that either there is something medically wrong or the instructions are simply not being followed.

If the V-Diet doesn’t give decent results (I would reckon AT LEAST 20lbs lost over 4 weeks) then sorry dude, but you should be out of the clinic.

I hope you can take this criticism and turn it into more determination to succeed. I would love to be eating my words this time next month, but sorry dude I just don’t see you making significant progress… please try to prove me (and the other doubters) wrong! Sometimes that is the best motivation!

All the best - good luck!

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Have you bought a proper camera yet or got access to one?

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[quote]-ironman- wrote:
Have you bought a proper camera yet or got access to one?[/quote]

Yes, the pics with the new camera will be posted this evening.

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[quote]IBMS wrote:

I’ve been following all of the physique clinics from the start. I know how many people would have PAID to take part in this - let alone receive free training and free supplements. Honestly, posting up decent pictures, weighing your food and owning a decent set of scales isn’t much to ask in return.[/quote]

And you sound like you paid to watch this, but all you had to do was sign up for a website and watch. Do you have any idea how lucky you and I are to even get to read these transformation processes?

It’s one thing to give constructive critisism, but just spewing out a long post of pure negativity doesn’t help anyone one bit. If you meant “I’m disappointed with your results, but good luck with the V-Diet” you could have said so, instead of 800 words of “you suck”.

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Good job on coming through with the pics, Nova. Now prepare to say farewell to the man in them!