[quote]Qaash wrote:
Coach Thibs on the V-Diet with Greg, that is the coolest thing I’ve read to date and on this site, I’ve read a lot.
Greg, $%ck! an explosion, nuke this clinic and smile about it later. Good luck to you man![/quote]
Yeah, I’m psyched he’s doing the V-Diet at the same time too.
Thanks for the well wishes, but like anything, my results won’t have anything to do with luck 
[quote]okaz wrote:
Whoah, this should be good. I have no doubt that both of you will get through it fine, but I think this will make for some interesting reading. I enjoy reading others’ V-Diet logs because they often end up changed in so many ways when they’re done. I hope monsieur CT will join in with his thoughts along the way too.
And Greg, you’re so gonna beat him in amount of weight lost, hehehe. Think of all the gloating you can do afterwards!
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Thanks, but I can assure you that you’ll get zero gloating out of me.
Shugs and Thibs sure are patient guys.
Nova, are you sure not not doing some late night eating? Because something sure is suspicious. The late-night eating is a killer for me and I know that it has held me back from my goals. I eat good during the day, but fall apart at the end of the day. This is something that I struggle with.
When I think that I am making progress and feel good about it, I tend to say to myself “it is ok to eat that banana or cup of yogurt at 2am.” I know this and I only have about 10 lbs and 5% bodyfat to lose to hit my goal. So, what is keeping me from sucking it up and just doing what I have to do? I guess that it is why I am here at T-Nation.
For me, following the Physique Clinics and each individuals successes and challenges has increased my awareness and inspired me to do better. I just wish I was getting free supps! I am not trying to be critical, but sometimes it takes someone asking questions to help us realize where we might be going awry.
[quote]bluzfan wrote:
Shugs and Thibs sure are patient guys.
Nova, are you sure not not doing some late night eating? Because something sure is suspicious. The late-night eating is a killer for me and I know that it has held me back from my goals. I eat good during the day, but fall apart at the end of the day. This is something that I struggle with.
When I think that I am making progress and feel good about it, I tend to say to myself “it is ok to eat that banana or cup of yogurt at 2am.” I know this and I only have about 10 lbs and 5% bodyfat to lose to hit my goal. So, what is keeping me from sucking it up and just doing what I have to do? I guess that it is why I am here at T-Nation.
For me, following the Physique Clinics and each individuals successes and challenges has increased my awareness and inspired me to do better. I just wish I was getting free supps! I am not trying to be critical, but sometimes it takes someone asking questions to help us realize where we might be going awry. [/quote]
I explained in my response to Chris that stepping on the old scale one last time today listed me at 234; which is clearly not right. That also means that at some point, I was over the 300 pound mark.
My measurements have been good, taken with the myotape, and I suspect I was closer to 275 or so at the start of the PC, which put me at having dropped closer to 20 pounds.
All I can do at this point is assure you that I’ve followed the plan to a T. I’m not drinking, or doing late night eating. If I was having a problem with that, I would have stepped down and taken someone elses slot.
This is not about me getting free supplements either; I can afford Biotest on my own dime. It’s about me trying to better myself.
I’m at the point where I’ve encountered so much negativity (not from you bluzfan, I know you’re trying to help), I feel like throwing my hands up and saying fuck it, but I’m a fighter, and I’ll see this through.
No offense nova but how is it possible that the weight of the DB was right, but yours is wrong (I mean 20 pounds)? Weren’t you asked to use a DB to prove the scales measurement?
Maybe the new scale is wrong? :X
Just curious, greetings stefan
The thing to remember is it is not about the scale - it is all about the mirror. The scale is just a tool used in the pursuit to improve the image in the mirror. Ask Bart and Gus. You can do this Nova - so, just do it. Keep grinding and fighting. It is your mirror.
I think he meant that his starting weight was higher than he thought, not that the scale was off by 20 lbs.
Anyway, forget all that, there’s a “new start” with the V-Diet and it’s gonna bring awesome results.
Thanks guys. Like I said, I won’t let you down, I won’t let the coaches down, and most importantly I WILL NOT LET MYSELF DOWN.
What the hell, Budo? He’s about to start the V-Diet on Monday…lets just let those results speak and leave all the negativity at home, because its not contributing anything at all.
Well, I supposed a better question to you would be this: What do you get by posting another negative comment on top of all the ones that have already been posted by others, and what do you think Nova gets out of them?
I was just wondering that too. The majority of the critics seem to have only a handful of posts here, and most of them are in this thread. Did you sign up just to come in here and spread negativity?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ofcourse, but I really don’t see the point of many of these posts. Is it supposed to help, in any way? Or is it just that judging others over the internet make you feel good? Probably the latter.
Nova,
According to your old scale, you’ve actually lost 32lbs (266-234) during the clinic, and I don’t think the “10lbs or 4 lbs” that Coach Shugart mentioned is fair, because it’s comparing two different scales. The new scale is a new scale, and the old one, if it was off, was probably consistently off, and so it’s the progress (i.e., 32 pounds of progress) that matters, not the actual numbers.
Then again, because your pictures suck, they don’t really show that very well. Get your pics in order!
Well I didn’t come here with the intention of arguing, so smash the V-Diet Nova, leave this Clinic with your head held high, and direct the haters to the pic I posted earlier on the way out.
[quote]stefan2k wrote:
No offense nova but how is it possible that the weight of the DB was right, but yours is wrong (I mean 20 pounds)? Weren’t you asked to use a DB to prove the scales measurement?
Maybe the new scale is wrong? :X
Just curious, greetings stefan
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I was thinking the same exact thing, because if your old scale verified that it was right by putting the plate or DB on, then this one must be way off. Also, how about getting a new food scale? That one seems way off too.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
novagreg wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but today I had a kickass workout! Without going into too much detail I did 395lbs x 2 reps on the incline press and 315 x 2 reps on the seated shoulder press.
You sure you’re not tooting a little bit? Just kidding
I’m glad you’re doing the V-Diet along with me Coach.
Ok, just a little!!! But I always sucked at inclines so this is a big victory for me.
Regarding the V-diet… it’s only to save a few bucks for my wedding since I receive my Biotest goodies for free… I’ll save at least 800$ in groceries this next month![/quote]
MikeTheBear: False. As quoted above, CT has his very own reasons for doing the V-Diet.
I do not understand the blind support from users to Nova. The results speak for themselves. The pictures speak for themselves. Perhaps Greg has his own agenda, maybe not. Many don’t realize how much money rides on the success of these Clinics. I only see a very risky liability that has been all but shady with the coaches.
[quote]DirtyRobot wrote:
Nova,
According to your old scale, you’ve actually lost 32lbs (266-234) during the clinic, and I don’t think the “10lbs or 4 lbs” that Coach Shugart mentioned is fair, because it’s comparing two different scales. The new scale is a new scale, and the old one, if it was off, was probably consistently off, and so it’s the progress (i.e., 32 pounds of progress) that matters, not the actual numbers.
Then again, because your pictures suck, they don’t really show that very well. Get your pics in order![/quote]
Well, given that it in no way looks anything like 32 lbs, I think the old scale was wildly innacurate and inconsistent from READING TO READING. That said, no use crying over spilled milk. On to the V-diet. Good luck, nova!
[quote]GrabAKimber wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
novagreg wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but today I had a kickass workout! Without going into too much detail I did 395lbs x 2 reps on the incline press and 315 x 2 reps on the seated shoulder press.
You sure you’re not tooting a little bit? Just kidding
I’m glad you’re doing the V-Diet along with me Coach.
Ok, just a little!!! But I always sucked at inclines so this is a big victory for me.
Regarding the V-diet… it’s only to save a few bucks for my wedding since I receive my Biotest goodies for free… I’ll save at least 800$ in groceries this next month!
MikeTheBear: False. As quoted above, CT has his very own reasons for doing the V-Diet.
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I found the above post by Thibs. Dude, get a clue. Don’t you think that the post was a bit tongue in cheek? I somehow doubt Thibs needs to go on a diet to save money. On a side note, I didn’t know Thibs was getting married. Congrats CT!
Here’s what CT wrote in Greg’s Physique Clinic. I’m thinking this is a bit more accurate of his true sentiments:
"I’ll support you in your experiment by going on the V-diet myself. While I do not really need something that drastic since I’m at 8% body fat right now; it’s one of the only diets that I never tried and want to see if I can get in true contest shape in 4 weeks.
So we’ll be in this together."
As for “blindly” supporting Greg, like the post above mentioned, I’m sure everyone has doubts about what is going on. Sure, I have doubts. I don’t know what to make of Greg’s situation. But I also know that I don’t have all of the facts, and I’m not going to pass judgment without knowing the complete story. I lose nothing by maintaining a positive attitude other than some Internet assholes thinking I’m being too “cuddly.” Yeah, I really care what you guys think. Go back to mommy and daddy’s basement and keep playing on the Internet. Come back when you’ve grown up a little and can discuss things in an intelligent manner.
What goes around comes around.
I just think compared to say Gus, Nova just set himself up in a bad position. Bad photos and bad measuring so in reality he and the coaches are still working in the dark. Only Novagreg knows whether he is cheating or not and I am not going to say either way. Without good measuring devices such as good photos (not just the camera but he’s always wearing shorts covering love handles) and a good scale no one can see the real changes if they’re there.
I think now with good scales and the request of good photos then the coaches can truly see progress or lack of progress and adjust properly. If in four weeks Nova has lost 2-4kg or anything not resembling 10kg then everyone and more importantly Nova will KNOW there is a problem, or he’s cheating. Either way it can be fixed.
So anyway, I’m behind him now with the proper feedback devices and hope he gets to the bottom of his lack of measuring progress!
[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
Only Novagreg knows whether he is cheating or not and I am not going to say either way. [/quote]
Let’s be honest, I have my doubts too. Heck, in all my experience in coaching NEVER have I seen somebody (supposedly) do so much to achieve so little. Heck, I had clients achieve A LOT more results with (again supposedly) less training and less severe dieting.
The fact that Bartl is on a very similar diet, and is not training much more than Nova (except for the past 3-4 weeks with the added running) and had 2-3x as much fat loss really reinforce my feeling that something is wrong.
Heck, Neya (female Clinic) lost more fat than Nova and she was a full 100lbs lighter than him AND was coming off of the V-diet… plus she is a full time mom and had very stressful events during her Clinic.
So yeah, in my mind there is a STRONG possibility that Nova is not telling us the whole truth and is cheating or slacking off with the training.
HOWEVER he is almost done and there is no sense in me driving him into the ground to try and shame him. If he is slacking off or cheating on the diet he knows about it. If he feels ok about cheating and getting over 2000$ of free supplements, then I guess that’s on him.
BUT there is the possibility, even if it’s pretty small, that he is being honest. And since he is almost done I feel that it’s best to forget what has been going on so far and try to do everything possible to salvage this disaster. And I feel that we have a better shot at doing this by being supportive than by being on the offensive.
Agree CT.
Now with proper feedback in place if the results aren’t forthcoming then Nova can see a doctor and get it sorted.
The past is done and unchangeable. There is only reason to think about the present and future.