PCT Goes Very, Very Wrong

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
Damn, Cortes; you’ve been on fire on these boards lately, my friend!

So, what do you want to do with Push if he actually shows up here? :-)[/quote]

Too much Modafinil, haha.

You tell me, Chushin. I’m just a country boy. You’re the one at the chuu…, err, the center of the thriving metropolis. I imagine there is a LOT more fun to be had over there than over here, though I do have 2 available rooms people can crash in if they are needed. I also quite a bit of room at my house, a BBQ grill, and a back yard.

Hmmm, maybe there is something to this country business after all…

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[quote]debraD wrote:
But if this is the case, what is your solution for preventing sexual abuse?[/quote]

There is no solution because its usually carried out by someone close to victims family.

I had a friend who use to work with pedophiles and he said it was commonly done by uncles

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]eremesu wrote:
i havent been keeping up with this thread, this one cunt that claims to be a doctor, is that an MD or a psychologist or what? i know this one guy that got a phd in psychology from a christian “college” and calls himself doctor. i just want to say that psychology isnt a science, it is another religion.

ps: what is the life expectancy for guys that suck dick once a while?[/quote]
cunt? wtf is your problem?[/quote]

Agreed, totally uncalled for. Must of hit a nerve, the anus is full of them.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Reminds me of a co-worker who was beyond in-your-face “masculine” when I met him, going overboard with any stereotypical masculine behaviour (pointing out and cat-calling attractive women to an excessive degree, dropping misogynist words way too often to be funny anymore, exaggerated stories of his great weekend exploits with women) very obviously trying to prove to everyone in sight just how “masculine” he was. Yeah, six months later he came out as gay.[/quote]

This is what I often think when someone (esp on this page) acts hyper masculine. Seriously.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Reminds me of a co-worker who was beyond in-your-face “masculine” when I met him, going overboard with any stereotypical masculine behaviour (pointing out and cat-calling attractive women to an excessive degree, dropping misogynist words way too often to be funny anymore, exaggerated stories of his great weekend exploits with women) very obviously trying to prove to everyone in sight just how “masculine” he was. Yeah, six months later he came out as gay.[/quote]

This is what I often think when someone (esp on this page) acts hyper masculine. Seriously.
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You mean like blustering how conservatives are more masculine?

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I’m changing my password.

– Mr. Jewbacca

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
The entire implication that homosexual behavior is something that can be cured and should be cured is ridiculous and pretty out-dated at best.

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I don’t know about “cured” so much as “prevented” in those `50% cases where sexual abuse was a causative factor. I tend to agree with the comments that homosexual orientation is a fair coping action for some really bad things. In such situation, the homosexual orientation is the “cure.”

I am a reconstructive surgeon that deals almost exclusively with the female reproductive system. Doesn’t come up much. :wink:

I will say the studies on life-shortening effects of male-male sex tried to correct for those persons who engaged in “safe” sex and the life-shortening effects were still there.

– Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]

Fair enough.

By the way, do you deal with female genital mutilation cases? If so, thank you for doing the work to help those women who have suffered having it done to them. I think it’s great they have an option.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
The entire implication that homosexual behavior is something that can be cured and should be cured is ridiculous and pretty out-dated at best.

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I don’t know about “cured” so much as “prevented” in those `50% cases where sexual abuse was a causative factor. I tend to agree with the comments that homosexual orientation is a fair coping action for some really bad things. In such situation, the homosexual orientation is the “cure.”

I am a reconstructive surgeon that deals almost exclusively with the female reproductive system. Doesn’t come up much. :wink:

I will say the studies on life-shortening effects of male-male sex tried to correct for those persons who engaged in “safe” sex and the life-shortening effects were still there.

– Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]

Fair enough.

By the way, do you deal with female genital mutilation cases? If so, thank you for doing the work to help those women who have suffered having it done to them. I think it’s great they have an option.[/quote]

Yes, that’s about 80% of what my wife does. Because of the politics/religion involved lost of ME women fly to the USA/Canada to have the procedure done.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Yes, that’s about 80% of what my wife does. Because of the politics/religion involved lost of ME women fly to the USA/Canada to have the procedure done.[/quote]

That’s truly a great thing that your wife is doing. Please pass my thanks on to her – I know the issue a bit too well and I am glad there are people out there like your wife who can help.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I think we should be more parsimonious in our approach to treatment, however. Unless we can conclusively link the condition to a direct physiological cause and show that gender reassignment surgery has superior outcomes to safer, less invasive potential forms of treatment (such as CBT), I wouldn’t consider this to be a preferred treatment. But, if that’s what you want, well hey, it’s your body, do what makes you happy. It’s not like we need more people breeding anyway lol.[/quote]

I agree with a lot you say here. Research should be directed at finding out how much HRT and surgery help the psychological well-being of the individual compared to other methods, and then optimizing treatment. Quibbling over the semantics of disorder classification seems far less important, if not immaterial.

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I shall come if you supply steak, and teenage school girls. :wink:

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[quote]rores28 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I think we should be more parsimonious in our approach to treatment, however. Unless we can conclusively link the condition to a direct physiological cause and show that gender reassignment surgery has superior outcomes to safer, less invasive potential forms of treatment (such as CBT), I wouldn’t consider this to be a preferred treatment. But, if that’s what you want, well hey, it’s your body, do what makes you happy. It’s not like we need more people breeding anyway lol.[/quote]

I agree with a lot you say here. Research should be directed at finding out how much HRT and surgery help the psychological well-being of the individual compared to other methods, and then optimizing treatment. Quibbling over the semantics of disorder classification seems far less important, if not immaterial.[/quote]

There is a direct linked cause, as far as we know, as shown in the research article i posted earlier.
The studies also show that this is the most effective treatment available.
Virtually to oversimplify it, it is a wrong brain in a wrong body, so either one of the two need to be changed and they’re both hard to achieve but the brain is more complicated and could be considered changing your “personality” which is a much touchier subject

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]rores28 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I think we should be more parsimonious in our approach to treatment, however. Unless we can conclusively link the condition to a direct physiological cause and show that gender reassignment surgery has superior outcomes to safer, less invasive potential forms of treatment (such as CBT), I wouldn’t consider this to be a preferred treatment. But, if that’s what you want, well hey, it’s your body, do what makes you happy. It’s not like we need more people breeding anyway lol.[/quote]

I agree with a lot you say here. Research should be directed at finding out how much HRT and surgery help the psychological well-being of the individual compared to other methods, and then optimizing treatment. Quibbling over the semantics of disorder classification seems far less important, if not immaterial.[/quote]

There is a direct linked cause, as far as we know, as shown in the research article i posted earlier.
The studies also show that this is the most effective treatment available.
Virtually to oversimplify it, it is a wrong brain in a wrong body, so either one of the two need to be changed and they’re both hard to achieve but the brain is more complicated and could be considered changing your “personality” which is a much touchier subject[/quote]

rehanb, I’d like to hear your opinion or answer to my earlier question, which I’ll paste below. This is not a challenge, I’m genuinely curious to hear how proponents of this treatment answer this.

[quote]
Cortes politely asked:

See, these kinds of statements are one of the very reasons I get so skeptical. Here’s one of my questions: We are physiologically pretty different from women, and we have all sorts of even more massively different ratios of hormones rushing through our respective male and female bodies. These hormones are often so powerful they control our desires, inclinations, habits, actions, choices, biases, decision making process, feelings, mood, level of well being, you name it.

AND, if, in order to BECOME the other sex, you actually need to exogenously administer these hormones in a manner that mimics the opposite sex, and dress differently, and talk differently, and act differently, and actually chop off or add body parts to our bodies in order to achieve this, then just how in the hell could the original sex have possibly been able to KNOW he was a woman or vice-versa?

AND then you add sexual abuse or other childhood trauma into the mix, and how could anyone possibly, ever presume we could have reached a definitive conclusion about this extremely recent medical phenomenon?

This is NOT intended as a “counterpoint.” This is an honest question I have about something I have a lot of trouble understanding, and would like to better understand. [/quote]

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

See, these kinds of statements are one of the very reasons I get so skeptical. Here’s one of my questions: We are physiologically pretty different from women, and we have all sorts of even more massively different ratios of hormones rushing through our respective male and female bodies. These hormones are often so powerful they control our desires, inclinations, habits, actions, choices, biases, decision making process, feelings, mood, level of well being, you name it.

AND, if, in order to BECOME the other sex, you actually need to exogenously administer these hormones in a manner that mimics the opposite sex, and dress differently, and talk differently, and act differently, and actually chop off or add body parts to our bodies in order to achieve this, then just how in the hell could the original sex have possibly been able to KNOW he was a woman or vice-versa?

AND then you add sexual abuse or other childhood trauma into the mix, and how could anyone possibly, ever presume we could have reached a definitive conclusion about this extremely recent medical phenomenon?

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As far as the explanations that have been given, our behaviour is determined by many things but the nature element plays a big part in things we don’t even consciously control. It is not as clear cut as woman vs man but rather a continuum. The scientific reasoning is that due to the missing or excessive hormonal washes during the 8th and 20th weeks of pregnancy the brain continues or changes development towards one sex or the other. So even though the body continues developing as one sex the brain is “hard wired” into the thinking/thought processes of the opposite sex which is one of the major contributors to behaviour. Hormones do play a big part but in the same way you can’t make a petrol car run on diesel you have the same problem. The solution is then to alter the body as much as possible to suit the brain’s wiring. A case could be made to try and do the opposite but we don’t have nearly enough technology or knowledge to safely do it. Many transsexuals do not have any history of abuse, these behaviours usually show from as early on as age 2-3. This has been studied as far as a few centuries back and in western culture as early as 1800’s.

by the way just as an after thought many heterosexual men/woman hack and add body parts for cosmetic purposes.

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Reading through this thread is proof that MDs often do not know what they are talking about. At least regarding topics outside their realm of expertise.

Anal sex is a minority behavior among a minority demographic. The vast majority of homosexual men do not even engage in anal sex. This is in regards to the ridiculous claim that being homosexual leads to a decrease in life expectancy.

I asked my chemistry professor once and he told me to ask a MD because they know everything.