I’m doing a cut, I’ve gone from 210ish to about 197. My strength has held up great; I haven’t even lost a pound off some of my lifts despite the drop in weight. I’m averaging 340g protein on days I work out, and about 300 on days I do not. Short of having my piss tested is there any way to tell if I’m using all the protein I take in, and not pissing it out?
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I’m doing a cut, I’ve gone from 210ish to about 197. My strength has held up great; I haven’t even lost a pound off some of my lifts despite the drop in weight. I’m averaging 340g protein on days I work out, and about 300 on days I do not. Short of having my piss tested is there any way to tell if I’m using all the protein I take in, and not pissing it out? [/quote]
as i recall (from alan aragon’s “girth control”) there are not good human studies on protein utilization.
So you’ve lost fat, and kept your strength during it all.
And you’re worried?
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.
i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.
bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.
It’s already been said, but if you’re cutting and maintaining strength well, then why the hell would you want to change what you’re doing? There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein afterall!
[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?
a long, long time ago when I was 205 @ 10% bf, I was consuming around 400 grams a day. My wife, who is an RN, thought I was consuming too much and was destroying my insides so she made me pee on a little strip. No problems… like said above, if it’s working and you feel fine, keep on keeping on
I mean OP you feeling real gassy and farting every few minutes? (like machine gun fartS) This is how I gauge myself and determine if I should cut back protein some lol
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.
i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.
bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.[/quote]
The last person I would trust with information about how a bodybuilder should eat is a nutritionist…and that’s coming from a DDS who trains very seriously…who actually did take nutrition classes in school…from obese nutritionists with PhD’s who ranted that no one should take in more than 10% total daily protein.
Notice how he ignores that most athletes aren’t trying to gain as much muscle as is humanly possible so any studies done on performance while ignoring that the goal of bodybuilding is to gain as much muscle as possible…are less than instructive to that population.
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.
i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.
bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.[/quote]
Thermic effect of food; notice how he said he was cutting? Satiety also will help there.
I’ll omit your later point of stressing the kidneys, I thought that horse was beaten dead years ago.
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]
Unless you have a pre-existing kidney or liver condition, why would you expect it to? Do you accept everything they tell you in your nutrition classes blindly?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.
i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.
bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.[/quote]
The last person I would trust with information about how a bodybuilder should eat is a nutritionist…and that’s coming from a DDS who trains very seriously…who actually did take nutrition classes in school…from obese nutritionists with PhD’s who ranted that no one should take in more than 10% total daily protein.
Notice how he ignores that most athletes aren’t trying to gain as much muscle as is humanly possible so any studies done on performance while ignoring that the goal of bodybuilding is to gain as much muscle as possible…are less than instructive to that population.[/quote]
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what is a dds?
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notice how the goal of a bodybuilder is not the subject of the topic. and the goal of a bodybuilder is simply to gain as much muscle as possible? health and longevity is absolutely not included in these goals? nice.
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i’ve spoken with a lot of people with PhD’s and none of them rant about anything. if you ask them something, they give their professional opinion or refer you to someone who knows more about the topic… i think your statement is a tad bit exaggerated.
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i wouldnt trust i nutritionist either but, i would trust a dietitian.
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]
Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?
If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with.
They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that.
Yay another popcorn thread.
May I be the first to call out the future registered dietician for pics of his impressive bodybuilder body?
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]
On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.
i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.
bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.[/quote]
The last person I would trust with information about how a bodybuilder should eat is a nutritionist…and that’s coming from a DDS who trains very seriously…who actually did take nutrition classes in school…from obese nutritionists with PhD’s who ranted that no one should take in more than 10% total daily protein.
Notice how he ignores that most athletes aren’t trying to gain as much muscle as is humanly possible so any studies done on performance while ignoring that the goal of bodybuilding is to gain as much muscle as possible…are less than instructive to that population.[/quote]
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what is a dds?
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notice how the goal of a bodybuilder is not the subject of the topic. and the goal of a bodybuilder is simply to gain as much muscle as possible? health and longevity is absolutely not included in these goals? nice.
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i’ve spoken with a lot of people with PhD’s and none of them rant about anything. if you ask them something, they give their professional opinion or refer you to someone who knows more about the topic… i think your statement is a tad bit exaggerated.
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i wouldnt trust i nutritionist either but, i would trust a dietitian.[/quote]
A DDS is a Doctor of Dental Surgery. It means I have much more medical experience than you do.
The subject of this topic is maintaining muscle and strength while on a diet, very specific goals in bodybuilding. Most studies done on athletes are NOT centered around what allows the most muscle growth to occur. They are based on athletic performance.
[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:
[quote]futureRD wrote:
[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]
Unless you have a pre-existing kidney or liver condition, why would you expect it to? Do you accept everything they tell you in your nutrition classes blindly?[/quote]
i wasnt stating that i thought that there were consequences to the liver/kidneys. read the post, where did i say that that’s what i believe? i was asking how they came to that conclusion. from the science i’ve seen, we cant say there is but, we also cant say there isnt consequences of excessively high protein intake. we can’t conclusively say that there are no consequeces.
i’m surprised, i thought people here would be more open to science… and for the record, i dont accept what they say blindly. the way the prof’s teach/lecture makes it pretty much impossible to accept what they say without thinking about it or researching the topic.