Yea… for as much flak as Kai gets for his little fruit episode, its a heck of a lot more prevalent than just him. He’s just the one who got caught - probably because he is in the spotlight and didn’t work to cover it up (ie photos were taken and posted thereafter).
Also consider many are strippers, etc. to help pay for their supplements. It depends on where you draw the line on morality, though I won’t touch that with a 10 foot pole with a grapefruit attached to the end…
Kai just flaunts it. He should really stop with very gay posing. I think it would help his image
[quote]robertscott wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
And I do not have any proof that high protein diets will damage your kidneys. It is something I’ve seen brought up multiple times on the Internet on “health” websites, discussed briefly in some bodybuilding venues, and was mentioned by a doctor or two I spoke with. Your kidneys do process what you consume, and the general mantra is too much of anything is bad, so I can only assume people did a 1 + 1 = 11.
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it was a study on renal patients wrongly applied to healthy populations.
The idea that high-protein diets are bad for your kidneys has been disproved a million times over[/quote]
The majority (about 80%) of the amino acids are deaminated (in order to be metabolized) during their first pass into the liver following absorption. This produces urea as a waste product. Though a certain amount of urea is needed to maintain a hyperosmotic gradient in the medulla of the kidney, too much can cause damage to the kidney.
That said, robertscott is correct. This is an effect that is only really of concern to people who have pre-existing kidney issues.
If you had to predict who would partake in risky behavior and were given two groups, one of heavy steroid users and the other randomly selected from the population, my money is on the steroid users. There are well-documented links between extroversion and smoking or risk-taking and those that choose high risk careers.
[quote]DAVE101 wrote:
On context the rest of your unquoted response, it’s pretty teenage to care that much about other people’s perceptions (especially when it’s solely based on appearance). Now the situation you provided is the perfect counterexample. Clearly, at work it does matter what other’s think about you.
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Pretty teenage to care about others perceptions is it? So I guess that would categorize working out for the purpose of looks (i.e. the majority of people who work out), our plastic surgery culture, and the nice material things we buy and phony facades we maintain to keep up appearances is also pretty teenage too.
I’m not disagreeing that we shouldn’t be so superficial, but face facts: we are, and it’s not limited to adolescence. There are sizable benefits to cultivating the right perceptions of you. Even when it comes to looks alone, studies in psychology have found significant social advantages to people who are judged to be more attractive.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So it seems bodybuilders have a bad reputation in some circles - as drinkers, taking recreational drugs and other unhealthy habits
Simple question, is there something about bodybuilding that correlates with that? My view is possibly, for those to come to BB to build a suit of armor vs the world, and maybe those who support there expenses with unsavory activities
finally, i knew mike mentzer smoked - but i when i saw a vid once of him basically chain smoking i didn’t know how much of a bad habit it was!
any other observations?
Maybe natural BBing has less of a bad rap?[/quote]
I’ve also noticed a great deal of flakiness, lying, and mooching. [/quote]
you still aren’t going to elaborate are you…[/quote]
Here’s one example: A top five Olympia ranking pro who spent his amateur years sleeping 16 hours a day while not working and living off his woman’s heft salary, only to promptly dump her when he went pro.
[quote]HARA wrote:
Think about how mentally invested you need to be to inject black market chemicals into your body? [/quote]
O disagree. I only inject pharma grade stuff, LOL. On a serious note, on my very first injections, I thought of that, thinking “only god knows what the fuck this shit is I am injecting”. But exactly as you posted, in the end, I didn’t really fucking care, as long as I became bigger and stronger. unfortunately, I still have this same mindset.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So it seems bodybuilders have a bad reputation in some circles - as drinkers, taking recreational drugs and other unhealthy habits
Simple question, is there something about bodybuilding that correlates with that? My view is possibly, for those to come to BB to build a suit of armor vs the world, and maybe those who support there expenses with unsavory activities
finally, i knew mike mentzer smoked - but i when i saw a vid once of him basically chain smoking i didn’t know how much of a bad habit it was!
any other observations?
Maybe natural BBing has less of a bad rap?[/quote]
I’ve also noticed a great deal of flakiness, lying, and mooching. [/quote]
you still aren’t going to elaborate are you…[/quote]
Here’s one example: A top five Olympia ranking pro who spent his amateur years sleeping 16 hours a day while not working and living off his woman’s heft salary, only to promptly dump her when he went pro. [/quote]
Who are you talking about?
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]HARA wrote:
Think about how mentally invested you need to be to inject black market chemicals into your body? [/quote]
O disagree. I only inject pharma grade stuff, LOL. On a serious note, on my very first injections, I thought of that, thinking “only god knows what the fuck this shit is I am injecting”. But exactly as you posted, in the end, I didn’t really fucking care, as long as I became bigger and stronger. unfortunately, I still have this same mindset.[/quote]
Do your research and find a good source. Honestly the food industry scares as much more more
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]HARA wrote:
Think about how mentally invested you need to be to inject black market chemicals into your body? [/quote]
O disagree. I only inject pharma grade stuff, LOL. On a serious note, on my very first injections, I thought of that, thinking “only god knows what the fuck this shit is I am injecting”. But exactly as you posted, in the end, I didn’t really fucking care, as long as I became bigger and stronger. unfortunately, I still have this same mindset.[/quote]
Do your research and find a good source. Honestly the food industry scares as much more more[/quote]
I can see that as a barrier though, injecting bypasses all the defenses. At least food passes through a system evolved to deal with bad stuff (up to a point)
I wonder if its a barrier that once passed makes people think ‘well ok, i took that risk and am still here, so…’ and then maybe less risk averse, maybe not.
For all the research being done most UGLs wouldn’t have what it takes to invest in pharma grade sterile conditions and the raws themselves are usually from china, not always pharma grade, at least that’s what ive read. Having said all that most UGL users still seem to be around so maybe ok really.
[quote]gswork wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]HARA wrote:
Think about how mentally invested you need to be to inject black market chemicals into your body? [/quote]
O disagree. I only inject pharma grade stuff, LOL. On a serious note, on my very first injections, I thought of that, thinking “only god knows what the fuck this shit is I am injecting”. But exactly as you posted, in the end, I didn’t really fucking care, as long as I became bigger and stronger. unfortunately, I still have this same mindset.[/quote]
Do your research and find a good source. Honestly the food industry scares as much more more[/quote]
I can see that as a barrier though, injecting bypasses all the defenses. At least food passes through a system evolved to deal with bad stuff (up to a point)
I wonder if its a barrier that once passed makes people think ‘well ok, i took that risk and am still here, so…’ and then maybe less risk averse, maybe not.
For all the research being done most UGLs wouldn’t have what it takes to invest in pharma grade sterile conditions and the raws themselves are usually from china, not always pharma grade, at least that’s what ive read. Having said all that most UGL users still seem to be around so maybe ok really.
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I guess I didn’t mean infections I meant just the pure amount of chemicals and just insane substances that our food is doused with.
Yes injecting does bypass your defenses and even with gear from the pharmacy poor injection hygiene can give you issues as well. So I in no way meant injections are safe.
The problem with going underground is you don’t have access to the same quality control. Period.
The guys that make the stuff I highly doubt are PHD level Chemists. You don’t know if the equipment used is rusted, sterilized, whatever. There is a significant occurrence of over and under-dosing. They don’t have the same equipment or consistency, bottom line.
The guys who use the underground stuff either accept these risks, or ignore them. Many have confirmed prior addiction to other substances, whether legal or illegal. They have that personality.
You can’t really judge the quality of an underground supplement because people are “still alive.” Things creep up on you over time. One thing mentioned was the high metal content due to, again, not as sterile equipment. Others don’t even post when they have issues, but “bad gear” can create abscesses, etc. Not life-threatening if you get it taken care of, but I get it isn’t fun.
Human/Pharmacy grade is a whole other animal. You know the stuff is properly dosed, so when you inject the 100mg the doctor prescribed you, you know its 100mg, not 200/80/400/etc. Its also a confirmed process and 100% true to what its supposed to be.
Consider this. Unless the underground guys started out at real labs learning how to make the stuff, how do they know they aren’t just making a similar strain of the gear and not the exact thing? How do they confirm this? Its like stating prohormones are “legal steroids” because they are a similar strain, yet have their own host of side effects (often times worse than the normal thing).
All folks have is reptutation in the community to be able to choose a good “lab.” You can’t request their quality control, certifications, etc. because they simple don’t exist. Its like going to a farmer’s market to buy fruits and vegetables and all you have to go by is look and reputation of that farmer.
I’m confused what you mean by strain QT
So we know that Test has multiple strains - Cyp, Prop, Enan, and I think there’s one other one… maybe not. Anyways, those are all strains of Testosterone. Perhaps I am crossing my genetics with substances, but if you look at something like the flu and how it has different “strains” of the flu - swine flu, bird flu, etc. etc. all grouped under “flu” with similar symptoms, but still different.
I don’t know if that’s officially what they are referred to, and I don’t know how they make the stuff. But if you need to heat something to a certain temperature or mix ‘x’ and ‘y’ items with a bit of ‘z’ to create it, if you screw up the process, chemistry dictates you could create a resulting compound different than the one intended. Temperature, pressure, all affect how chemicals react with each other and bind once broken down.
So the result is quite possibly a compound similar to what you intended, but not exact. Ie, a different strain. If I had to guess, it was by accident that real labs found the different strains of Testosterone. Once technology got better, we could better understand what we were producing and how we produced it. How we could manipulate similar individual compounds to create new ones.
Also probably why they come up with new stuff every day. Similar to inventions, a lot is by accident, or stumbling into it.
Hmmmm I would have to read the exact process as to how they are made but the strains you are reffering to are all test. The cyp, eth, prop are the esters which determine how fast the body metabolizes them. There is also test no ester, suspension, undec esters.
Now as far as making a different compound I don’t no but it’s not easy to modify the molecule and still have it active in the body. So accidentally making a functional molecule would be hard IMO
Sorry, you’re right, ester was the correct term. See I screwed up genetics with chemistry/substances.
I concede I too don’t know the process, just that when you tweak the variables interesting things can and do happen. And in an uncontrolled “process” there is greater potential for unexpected things to creep in, however minor.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Sorry, you’re right, ester was the correct term. See I screwed up genetics with chemistry/substances.
I concede I too don’t know the process, just that when you tweak the variables interesting things can and do happen. And in an uncontrolled “process” there is greater potential for unexpected things to creep in, however minor.[/quote]
Agreed
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So it seems bodybuilders have a bad reputation in some circles - as drinkers, taking recreational drugs and other unhealthy habits
Simple question, is there something about bodybuilding that correlates with that? My view is possibly, for those to come to BB to build a suit of armor vs the world, and maybe those who support there expenses with unsavory activities
finally, i knew mike mentzer smoked - but i when i saw a vid once of him basically chain smoking i didn’t know how much of a bad habit it was!
any other observations?
Maybe natural BBing has less of a bad rap?[/quote]
I’ve also noticed a great deal of flakiness, lying, and mooching. [/quote]
you still aren’t going to elaborate are you…[/quote]
Here’s one example: A top five Olympia ranking pro who spent his amateur years sleeping 16 hours a day while not working and living off his woman’s heft salary, only to promptly dump her when he went pro. [/quote]
Who are you talking about?
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It’s better not to mention names, I believe.
What about a now high ranking pro who didn’t have a few bucks for public transportation to get home after a show?
Yea, this shit-storm is all over the place… well the three bodybuilding related forums I visit anyways. Kind of fits the post incredibly well. It not only talks about illegal drug use - and a lot of it - but it also mentions some of the other issues.
Not to mention this is essentially childhood bickering. Someone got offended over someone else’s comment, then proceeded to try to “1 up” them by bashing even further. Good thing that never happens around here rolls eyes.