Wondering what your honest opinion is on Cannabis and training. Probably a given that indica might be good for post workout, beyond sheer enjoyment there are the perks of anti inflammatory and appetite stimulus.
What do you think about a little Sativa before training? I know this is maybe a bit taboo as the marijuana laws are here and there, but there are quite a few MMA folks who swear by it to include the likes of the Diaz bros, Rogan, and from what I hear Junior Dos Santos, so not exactly nobodies.
What say you Mr. Wendler? Yay or nay on Sativa as your #1 pre workout, nootropic?
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Wondering what your honest opinion is on Cannabis and training. Probably a given that indica might be good for post workout, beyond sheer enjoyment there are the perks of anti inflammatory and appetite stimulus.
What do you think about a little Sativa before training? I know this is maybe a bit taboo as the marijuana laws are here and there, but there are quite a few MMA folks who swear by it to include the likes of the Diaz bros, Rogan, and from what I hear Junior Dos Santos, so not exactly nobodies.
What say you Mr. Wendler? Yay or nay on Sativa as your #1 pre workout, nootropic? [/quote]
Anti inflammatory properties of cannabis have been touted by athletes for ages, especially the brothers And when it comes to jiujitsu can you name a world class guy who doesn’t smoke it?
Depends on your response to it ,personally it makes my muscles tire out quicker when working out. I know some guys that do so before training it isn’t my thing. Also you shouldn’t allow yourself to be dependent on it. After training though seems like a good idea. As you said indica/sativa different buzzes so it’s a personal thing, I wouldn’t recommend it to kids either. The diaz brothers are great fighters but I wouldn’t model myself after such people, my 2cents.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
Depends on your response to it ,personally it makes my muscles tire out quicker when working out. I know some guys that do so before training it isn’t my thing. Also you shouldn’t allow yourself to be dependent on it. After training though seems like a good idea. As you said indica/sativa different buzzes so it’s a personal thing, I wouldn’t recommend it to kids either. The diaz brothers are great fighters but I wouldn’t model myself after such people, my 2cents.[/quote]
STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKER. Like 209, like i don’t pay my taxes.
george leeman made a vid on youtube about this. as for a pre-workout, idk about being intoxicated and holding heavy shit over your head, balancing things becomes extremely hard. Post workout- greatest thing ever
These question always make me laugh - people looking for anyone to tell them what they want to hear. Listen, if you are at the top of your profession, making a ton of money and have everything you need in life - smoke away. If you are making change and hustling Ding Dongs at the local gas station - you can’t afford any more loss of brain cells.
People need to realize that if they are stupid they don’t get to have the same latitude that people who are intelligent/have their shit together. I really don’t care what people do with their bodies - drugs should be legal. But just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
These question always make me laugh - people looking for anyone to tell them what they want to hear. Listen, if you are at the top of your profession, making a ton of money and have everything you need in life - smoke away. If you are making change and hustling Ding Dongs at the local gas station - you can’t afford any more loss of brain cells.
People need to realize that if they are stupid they don’t get to have the same latitude that people who are intelligent/have their shit together. I really don’t care what people do with their bodies - drugs should be legal. But just because you can doesn’t mean you should. [/quote]
Don’t post that often but felt the need to log on and say “Well said”. I don’t necessarily agree with legalizing all drugs but I have to admit that trying to protect the stupid against themselves has not worked out all that well.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
These question always make me laugh - people looking for anyone to tell them what they want to hear. Listen, if you are at the top of your profession, making a ton of money and have everything you need in life - smoke away. If you are making change and hustling Ding Dongs at the local gas station - you can’t afford any more loss of brain cells.
People need to realize that if they are stupid they don’t get to have the same latitude that people who are intelligent/have their shit together. I really don’t care what people do with their bodies - drugs should be legal. But just because you can doesn’t mean you should. [/quote]
University of Colorado football players and cheerleaders (there are some very strong cheerleaders out there) introduced me to this idea. I played with it for quite a while. There is SOME performance enhancement to smoking before training, but it is small–an extra couple reps here and there. This small “advantage” only takes place during a short window, roughly 45 minutes after smoking. Beyond those 45 min, performance falls off, fatigue sets in and the will to train falls to pieces. That being the case, you have to burn one in the car immediately before walking into the gym, rush your warmup and hurry to your work sets. Then, you are very, very focused on training and nothing else, staring at the floor while listening to music between sets. This focus is one of the upsides, but it ends up ruined because someone always seems to pick this time to ask a bunch of questions, “does that hit your medial delts? what do you do for traps, bro? why do you squat so low” crap that you really don’t want to deal with, especially in this state. You can extend the “window” via edibles, but the cons outweigh the pros as the situation just turns into a big hassle. Finally, there is one other performance downside that is tough to evaluate–marijuana fucks up your rem sleep to some extent. that shit is important. We hear a lot about CNS staleness, burnout, etc… well, rem sleep helps your brain recover. I don’t know how this impacts strength gains, but it doesn’t help.
The only reasonable application of marijuana with regards to strength training comes when you have a decision like, “Tonight, should i smoke and play video games, or drink and get into whatever trouble drinking brings?” in that case, weed is the lesser of evils. It’s also less fun…
Would taking something anti-inflammatory be good after training? I believe there was an article some time ago that stated anti-inflammatories hindered muscle growth. This was about anti-inflammatory drugs i.e Ibuprofen, etc. so, I do not know if it would be different for marijuana.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
nootropic[/quote]
I always just think of it as this and nothing else, given how people’s reactions to the drug vary from normal to absolutely idiotic. If it helps you, go for it. If not don’t…
I quit smoking to join the military, so I don’t have any experience with this, but pre-military I found that smoking was great for phsyical activity, though usually in conjunction with coffee/tea (ex: did my first headstand under the influence, long distance bike rides, martial arts, acrobatics, acroyoga, fire spinning, etc). However, if I had the opportunity now, I would still stick to caffeine, B vitamins, magnesium, and creatine for pre-workout… I really don’t feel like anything other than maybe a TINY buzz would be helpful at all.
Post-Workout is a different story. I think it would make an excellent “reward” the same way one beer would, and a great appetite stim. But my cannabis use was always different from most people I know (buy good stuff in bulk, only use one hit as needed, make it last a very long time.) But face it, the drug is better for recreation than any “use”, and the more you respect that and are honest with yourself about indulgence, the healthier you will be mentally.
Speaking of mental, it is possible to regrow brain cells… whether certain drugs “kill” them or not, those D.A.R.E. photos are misinterpreted science. The photos are from USE of the brain, most of the time based on temperature or electrical readings, while under the influence. Of course too much of anything isn’t good, and as we all know permanent damage can occur, especially from toxic chems.
If you like smoking, go for it. Hell I like drinking way too much sometimes. But this thread sounds an awful lot like rationalizing and justifying its use for training.
Theres a million studies out there that very, very clearly state the negative effects. There might be some testimonials from big fighters, and some real and actual fringe benefits like relaxation and appetite, but really? Get a massage and eat a steak.
And when it comes to jiujitsu can you name a world class guy who doesn’t smoke it?