Which statement is not true?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Even if it is a minority it gives the whole bbing community a bad name.
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I’ve yet to read a thread on another forum that indicated people aren’t at the very least “dependent” on the drugs they take. That is addiction at its purest (although slightest form).
Its not a minority, only a minority that get bit for it and make it public knowledge. Most just disappear.
By the way, good on you for updating your avi, nice progress.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Even if it is a minority it gives the whole bbing community a bad name.
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I’ve yet to read a thread on another forum that indicated people aren’t at the very least “dependent” on the drugs they take. That is addiction at its purest (although slightest form).
Its not a minority, only a minority that get bit for it and make it public knowledge. Most just disappear.
By the way, good on you for updating your avi, nice progress.[/quote]
The minority I was reffering to and I didn’t even claim it was a minority because I don’t have the knowledge to claim that, was about using narcs and stims.
Thanks man. I kept getting called out for being tiny and making no progress got sick of it and updated the pic
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Even if it is a minority it gives the whole bbing community a bad name.
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I’ve yet to read a thread on another forum that indicated people aren’t at the very least “dependent” on the drugs they take. That is addiction at its purest (although slightest form).
Its not a minority, only a minority that get bit for it and make it public knowledge. Most just disappear.
By the way, good on you for updating your avi, nice progress.[/quote]
The minority I was reffering to and I didn’t even claim it was a minority because I don’t have the knowledge to claim that, was about using narcs and stims.
Thanks man. I kept getting called out for being tiny and making no progress got sick of it and updated the pic[/quote]
Too small, your opinion is invalid.
Sorry 
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Even if it is a minority it gives the whole bbing community a bad name.
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I’ve yet to read a thread on another forum that indicated people aren’t at the very least “dependent” on the drugs they take. That is addiction at its purest (although slightest form).
Its not a minority, only a minority that get bit for it and make it public knowledge. Most just disappear.
By the way, good on you for updating your avi, nice progress.[/quote]
The minority I was reffering to and I didn’t even claim it was a minority because I don’t have the knowledge to claim that, was about using narcs and stims.
Thanks man. I kept getting called out for being tiny and making no progress got sick of it and updated the pic[/quote]
Too small, your opinion is invalid.
Sorry ;)[/quote]
Commence burger eating to obtain hugeness.
My firend was at Body Expo in the Uk a few months back, he said he went outside to get some air, he said there were a large group of bikini/figure models stood outside the fire exit having a fag together.
A bunch of figure/bikini girls in lesbian action… did he record this miracle of nature?
(I’m joking by the way, but the thought crossed my mind and I had to post it.)
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Smoking is addictive like bodybuilding/dieting/etc. Its quite easy to pick up other habits when you have an addictive or OCD personality.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
A bunch of figure/bikini girls in lesbian action… did he record this miracle of nature?
(I’m joking by the way, but the thought crossed my mind and I had to post it.)
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Smoking is addictive like bodybuilding/dieting/etc. Its quite easy to pick up other habits when you have an addictive or OCD personality.[/quote]
I could pick up smoking so fast because I am such a ADHD fidgetor. But I despise it luckily
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Even if it is a minority it gives the whole bbing community a bad name.
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I’ve yet to read a thread on another forum that indicated people aren’t at the very least “dependent” on the drugs they take. That is addiction at its purest (although slightest form).
Its not a minority, only a minority that get bit for it and make it public knowledge. Most just disappear.
By the way, good on you for updating your avi, nice progress.[/quote]
The minority I was reffering to and I didn’t even claim it was a minority because I don’t have the knowledge to claim that, was about using narcs and stims.
Thanks man. I kept getting called out for being tiny and making no progress got sick of it and updated the pic[/quote]
Too small, your opinion is invalid.
Sorry ;)[/quote]
Commence burger eating to obtain hugeness. [/quote]
Don’t forget the Frogtek.
Recreational lifters are definitely the healthiest population sub-set I know.
Quasi-Tech, very interesting post, but I think you went just a wee bit far with your perception of society’s perception. Allow me to play some Devil’s Advocate.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Face it, being different is bad in this society.[/quote]
Can you quantify this? Everyone is different. Could you explain more what you meant by “bad”? Do you get paid less? Do you have to use a different restroom?
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Obsession is unhealthy, whether it be truly detrimental to your health or not. This is how society views things.[/quote]
This one too? When did healthy/unhealthy become a matter of subjective opinion? Where do you draw the line between obsession and passion? I am “obsessed” with my family, friends, financial security, and fitness. I can’t imagine too many seeing me as unhealthy for that.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Are you willing to sacrifice normalcy…
Are you strong enough as a person to sit there and eat lean steak and rice out of a tupperware container…
Are you willing to spend an hour to an hour and a half lifting 4-5 days a week after work…
Can you sustain that life, and is it worth it for what you give up?
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Haha yeah those freaks that pack their own lunch and spend an hour a day on a hobby. That’s not normal…
Sigh… because I’m bored over lunch and sorely disappointed with the Off-Topic conversation I’ll respond for the sake of entertainment value. If you’re baiting me to turn this into an off-topic “quality” thread, I’ll cease and desist immediately, I think I’ve made my feelings on those particular subjects quite clear.
Item 1: Discrimination as we know it can be both subtle and blatant. Sometimes, I often wonder if blatant is preferred to subtle, at least then you can address it for what it is and react to it. In the case of subtlety you then have to defend against what can be perceived by various people differently - thus creating a weak ground of sorts for which to stand on.
In the case of lower pay, using different restrooms, no, blatant discrimination does not in fact occur over being a bodybuilder. However on the subtle side of things, discrimination happens every day. Look at Bauber’s thread for a prime example. He’s an impressive specimen in the realm of bodybuilding, not yet a pro, but perhaps aspiring to go there. Trainers, within the very sport, discriminate purely because he is larger and more impressive than them. Its called inferiority complex.
Call a fat woman fat in public and see the reaction you get from those around you. Call a homosexual a fag and watch the world around you erupt. Whether the above two examples are “life choices” or “pre-ordained by genetics” or “diseases (lol)” you’ll get a harsh recompense for your statements and actions.
Now call a bodybuilder a freak, make fun of his muscles, his leanness, and dedication and all of a sudden no one is going to stand up for you. You ARE different, you chose to be that way,there’s nothing stopping you, its not part of the PC crowd. Even worse, bodybuilders are perceived as meatheads, dumb, we can perform no other function besides “I put things up and I put them down.” You will be stereotyped in business and in life. I’m not that big and I had a manager tell me “off the record” one time, that if I get too big it could hinder my ability to advance. People don’t like intimidating forces in a business meeting - sure vocally intimidating, but not physically. True story.
- Healthy/unhealthy has always been a matter of opinion. Look at the BMI chart… is that factual? Is every man at 6’ 190lbs going to be unhealthy? Not at all. Maybe if he was inactive, then yes, but bodybuilders are far from inactive, and that weight is easily acheivable naturally. Obsession is nowadays treated with drugs, just like any other “extreme” of mental faculty. Don’t pay enough attention, pay too much attention, focus too much on details, can’t see the big picture, they are all issues. Its not that people are made differently and have different skillsets, its that you aren’t what people think you “should” be.
I can tell you almost certainly that being obsessed over your family is bad. You should have a balanced view on life. Maybe you are spending too much time at home, over-bearing your wife, not letting her spend time with friends, controlling your kids - not letting them make their own decisions and discover themselves. Clearly if you only obsess about family you can not enjoy other aspects of life, like golf or discussing sports - not playing obviously, just discussing. After all, its what every “American Dad” does.
- An hour a day you say? Lets assume that they have a home gym so don’t have to travel to their recreational activity. Now they are taking up vital space in their home, couldn’t it be better served for the kids or wife you obsess so much about? Is your physique that important that after working 8-9 hours (not including commute) five days a week, you need to also come home and spend an hour of lifting, half an hour on cardio, time showering, etc. before you even sit down with your family?
And you don’t eat the meal your wife prepares? Whats wrong with her cooking? Or better yet, she now has to cater her meals and the meals of your kids around what YOU can eat. How selfish can you be? Do you think its healthy for your children to have to eat the same foods every day? Do you really think its healthy eating 5/6 times a day, all that protein? You’ll ruin your kidneys. You weight your food before consuming it, do you weigh your bowels too? So you work 9 hours, sleep 6 hours, lift and shower for 2 hours, you now have 7 hours to put towards your home, your wife, your kids, and any other hobbies.
I could continue to blather but I got called to provide a tour to my English co-workers, I think this covers the jist.
Gotta say I loled at responding out of boredom. I am and will be avoiding writing my research paper that’s why I am here
Don’t want to stray to far off topic but if the food your family is cooking is so “unhealthy” you can’t fit it in your macros for your diet you might want to rethink that and rework how your family eats? Maybe that’s off base but I would want my family eating healthy and balanced.
Is there any research to show high protein will actually damage the kidneys? I haven’t seen any
I see no reason why an hour to two of exercise could be bad. Shit get your kids and family to do some of it with you. Everyone should be sitting on the couch less. Personally I think spending some family time exercising each day would be great. Just my opinions.
Agreed with pretty much all other points in there
Concerning health but most in particular BBing
Drinking: beer and hard alcohol takes a toll on the system: estrogenically and on organs: so its used as a deload party time type thing. I know a lot of competitors get loaded post competitions but aren’t usually drinking year round.
Of course any drugs in bbing could/would negate the effects of drinking heavily but that is a reason why their liver takes such a shot and they take the liver into great account in rebuilding/aiding it.
Usually wines are consumed as they tend to actually be good for your health.
Smoking: Smoking is actually an appetite suppressant and anti-estrogenic. A lot of bbers smoke because it helps lean them out. Remember they aren’t doing anything other than poses. I know nicotine gum is also used for similar effects. There are a few articles on here regarding nicotine and these issues. Nicotine can actually block estrogen receptor sites.
Drugs: get-a-ways. Recreational isn’t bad. Neither is experimenting. the problem is our society doesn’t know how to use drugs. It really never has, and our governments don’t like them because we can make them and the govs wont make money off them. Also, they do expand peoples mind (as well as can shut them down) so it opens up thought, also not a good thing.).
Even when drugs were induced, we had no idea what we were doing. The gov created LSD, it was taken out of the lab by a few test subjects and then shared, but with no direction, just “here…have an experience” people didn’t know what to expect and there was no one to led them. if you are unstable or in an unstable place and you take altering consciousness drugs things can go bad, same thing with alcohol or anything that offers a different state of mind.
Addiction is created through other means. I know a dude who did coke for 6 months straight, never touched it again. I heard of a guy who smoked for years and then one day just stopped, still hasn’t picked it back up.
if you identify with the substance, and make it apart of your character, you will be addicted. Im an alcoholic, Im a user, Im an addict, I cant stop, Im small, Im fat, etc, etc it if your identification and association which blocks you. The people that can change are the ones who believe they can change. I can get bigger, I can lean out, I can quit smoking are the people who will move on.
Cocaine isn’t really bad for you, bad cocaine is and cocaine with someone who places it as a priority is bad. We built half our understanding of human psychology off a dude who was addicted to it.
Weed isn’t bad for you, weed as the crop we know it now, basically GMO’ed is bad for you.
These things are found in nature, and can be cured and used a proper way. But people just want to “get high” with no direction or intent. That’s like driving blindfolded, “I just want to drive, don’t know where, don’t know how, just hold a wheel and press a medal.” Theres no thinking involved.
The “habit” is only negative if we place a negative attachment to it or it affects us to a point of negativity.
People have addictions. Bodybuilders, athletes, government officials, cops, etc…all are people.
I’ve also shared the theory with bodybuilders and rec drugs…most use rec drugs, then used steroids…then had a good genetic response to it. So what started as a drug using clubber trying to get jacked to get pussy…turns into a bodybuilder with the same old habits. lol
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Item 1: [why it’s bad to be different]
…I had a manager tell me “off the record” one time, that if I get too big it could hinder my ability to advance.[/quote]
On context the rest of your unquoted response, it’s pretty teenage to care that much about other people’s perceptions (especially when it’s solely based on appearance). Now the situation you provided is the perfect counterexample. Clearly, at work it does matter what other’s think about you.
Why do you need someone to stand up for you when you’re that jacked? Wait, why would you be getting insulted in the first place? I’ve seen nothing but compliments to people with large or lean physiques.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
2. Healthy/unhealthy has always been a matter of opinion. Look at the BMI chart…
I can tell you almost certainly that being obsessed over your family is bad.
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Here I must disagree.
I have to disagree here. I’m sure you know the BMI chart is a quick and dirty method and no health or fitness professional would base their opinion of health status solely around that number. Do you have any more examples?
I think you are nitpicking with the family obsession. You addressed that point very well, but again I’m trying to get at the difference between obsession and passion. Perhaps you answered it indirectly. The examples you mentioned could easily be the result of a passion taken a bit too far. I think what’s passion one day might be an obsession the next day, and vice versa. There are definitely those that can take anything too far, however.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
3. An hour a day you say? Lets assume…
Wife’s cooking…[/quote]
No, that’s what you said: 1 to 1.5 hours 4-5 days a week. Plus cardio? How about on off days. Have family? Even easier, get them involved.
I paraphrased your last paragraph to “1 hour a day, pack your own lunch” and now you’re are taking to extremes. Yes, these people certainly exist, but when considering all BBs (including recreational lifters) it is simply nothing more than a hobby and conscious diet. At least, that is my perspective. =)
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Do you think its healthy for your children to have to eat the same foods every day? Do you really think its healthy eating 5/6 times a day, all that protein? You’ll ruin your kidneys. [/quote]
I hope this was meant satirically.
Dave, I never said I cared. I addressed your post with the perspective that other people have of what you are doing. Remember, just because YOU define something as healthy/acceptable, does not mean society does. That was my point, because that is what I discussed which I believe you quoted in my original post.
I personally don’t care what people think. Life is too short to spend time pleasing others. I’ve got goals in mind, if you fit my goals - or don’t get in the way of them - then you can remain as part of my life. If you are counter-productive, negative, or useless, I will not only show you the door to leave, but help you exit ;).
We should however face the facts that the bulk of people ARE in fact impacted by how their peers perceive them. Its natural for people to want to be accepted, we are after all, social creatures. Its the outside pressures that can and do impact people’s pursuit for self-improvement. And I 100% agree that following a strict diet IS healthy for your family, just give them a cheat meal every once in a while - we all need one. Those are not my thoughts I posted, but my response to your devil’s advocacy from the perspective of society.
And I do not have any proof that high protein diets will damage your kidneys. It is something I’ve seen brought up multiple times on the Internet on “health” websites, discussed briefly in some bodybuilding venues, and was mentioned by a doctor or two I spoke with. Your kidneys do process what you consume, and the general mantra is too much of anything is bad, so I can only assume people did a 1 + 1 = 11.
Edit: Dave, I missed this the first time through reading your post, sorry. BMI is in fact used at my place of work to measure elegibility for the “better/cheaper” health plan. I failed that test (and many of my friends) because we are not in an appropriate range. Never mind the fact that I can easily bench my bodyweight for reps, run for 45 minutes with no problem, or manage my diet and know exactly what I put in my body. None of that matters, only my BMI value - which is 100% based on inactive people. Common sense is not as common as you think, hell, if I could bottle it and sell it I’d be a multi-billionaire and make Warren Buffet look like Tiny Tim.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So it seems bodybuilders have a bad reputation in some circles - as drinkers, taking recreational drugs and other unhealthy habits
Simple question, is there something about bodybuilding that correlates with that? My view is possibly, for those to come to BB to build a suit of armor vs the world, and maybe those who support there expenses with unsavory activities
finally, i knew mike mentzer smoked - but i when i saw a vid once of him basically chain smoking i didn’t know how much of a bad habit it was!
any other observations?
Maybe natural BBing has less of a bad rap?[/quote]
I’ve also noticed a great deal of flakiness, lying, and mooching. [/quote]
you still aren’t going to elaborate are you…
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
And I do not have any proof that high protein diets will damage your kidneys. It is something I’ve seen brought up multiple times on the Internet on “health” websites, discussed briefly in some bodybuilding venues, and was mentioned by a doctor or two I spoke with. Your kidneys do process what you consume, and the general mantra is too much of anything is bad, so I can only assume people did a 1 + 1 = 11.
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it was a study on renal patients wrongly applied to healthy populations.
The idea that high-protein diets are bad for your kidneys has been disproved a million times over
this thread is kinda funny. Drug abuse is rampant among bodybuilders just like it is among every other population.
If you REALLY want something to get freaked out about, do some research as to how bodybuilders afford all the GH. A “private posing session” involves a whole lot more than just posing…