[quote]Aggro wrote:
Any chance we could have a Thunderdome type of thread between Tinman and NP?[/quote]
I think if that were to occur, we’d join forces to escape Beyond Thunderdome™. Tinman is my new favorite poster. I really like this guy. Just pace yourself, man. Careful you don’t burn yourself out when dealing with the crazies.
[quote]Rhino Jockey wrote:
JonBlood wrote:
What are your opinions on GVT?
Dude…pick and fucking program already and get to work. [/quote]
Precisely. I was thinking Starting Strength, because strength is what you should be focusing on right now. I wasted a good 4 years switching from program to program to constantly “confuse” my muscles. That was a load of bull. I wish I had focused on the big lifts and got stronger at them. Please don’t make the same mistake as I did (and many other people). Starting Strength is good. Do it, and reap the rewards.
I’m going to give the OP, and any other newbs who may be listening in, the secret to lifting weights and getting big. You all knew there was a “secret” right? Ready? Here it is:
Quit being a weak bitch. For fuck’s sake, get stronger. I’m constantly bombarded by questions from people in my gym and I’m to the point where I say, look sport, you bench 185 for almost one rep, do you really need to be told why you’re not big?
I’ve never met anyone who could curl less than me and had bigger arms or anyone with bigger arms who couldn’t curl more.
This shit is not complicated. Just pick something to do that you don’t hate, sandbag a little bit by starting out kind of light and add weight in small amounts consistently over time.
Then, the same aforementioned newbies say, “What if I can’t?” Well, then you fucked up. You’re a big boy, figure it out. Maybe you should try eating more.
Worried about getting fat from all that food? I would be too if my workouts consisted of not breaking a sweat and lifting poundages our female lifters smash in warmups.
Any normal sized male needs to be able to bench press 225, squat 315 and pull 405 just do be at a point where their training is doing anything for them. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again that I consider being trained relative to weights beginning when you add another pair of 45’s to all those (315 - 405 - 495).
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Did you get the “ramping” part as well? I hope so 
Go ask pX in that thread, he’s the expert on his own training after all… I won’t comment any further now that you have some points of reference.
Sorry, what are you referring to when you say “ramping”?[/quote]
Example:
Flat bench
1st set - 1358
2nd set - 2256
3rd set - 3155
4th set - 4059 or howevermany you can get
Just scale that down to your strength levels…
You basically start light and work your way up in weight, not going to failure on all but the last set.
Now go train and eat. Bodybuilding isn’t rocket science.
[quote]tinman15 wrote:
I would think some of the misconceptions you write in this novel you posted would be a better reason to stop posting in the forums…
Since we are giving each other our opinions. I think you have self security issues and lack a decent personality to make friends which explains why you have 26,000 posts on this forum. The point of this website and forums is to obtain information, and yet you have done nothing to help support that.
Not only have you failed at giving helpful information, but you have wasted how much of your own time to come into this thread and only ask more questions and get into a dick comparing contest by giving the assumption that your arms arms are 18" and questioning how credible other people’s posts are…
Then you berate everyone who states an opinion that you seem to not agree with.
If you don’t like the information given to the OP, then why don’t you give the OP what you see as correct information, instead of nit picking at every single person who only has good intentions which is to help the guy.
Lets calculate the amount of personal time you have spent on these forums. We will say that you have spent 3 minutes on average to come to the forums, read the posts and make either short posts or lengthy quotes.
So of your 26,000 posts we will x this by 3 minutes which = 78,000 minutes. We will divide this by 60 minutes to come with the hours which = 1300 hours.
We will say when you do come to the forums, you only spend 1 hour a day doing this. And with there being 360 days in a year, you basically have wasted an hour every single day for 4 years.
Assuming the posts you have made on other threads are similar to the ones you have made here, one can only question why someone would waste so much of their personal time to put down others. And the reality is, is you have probably spent quadruple or more of that amount of time on these forums.
Also, since you have hardly contributed any informative or helpful knowledge to this thread, and failed to refute anything I said but only ask more questions… I don’t quite see what kind of point you are trying to make or have made… ? But we’ll get to that at the end of this post…
In the end none of this really matters though, and who really fucking cares? Like I said, since we sharing our opinions of each other, I thought I would share how I see things
That is very interesting…apparently calories haven’t been proven yet. What year is this?
Wilbur Olin Atwater came up with the concept of calories in the late 1800’s and I remember in 9th grade biology where we burned a few different pieces of food and calculated the amount of calories each piece had. Much later I learn about about amino acids and what they do, and realize how little they contribute to energy with someone who is adequately nurtured.
The concept of calories and the whole idea of it is outdated and gives us little information besides provide a means of measurement to how much a person eats. But then again, if you down a shot of olive oil which is about 400 cals, how accurately does it even do that? So I guess depending on how you look at it, I was in some way wrong.
But I was in a rush and my mind was racing as it was late at night so I worded my opinion poorly. Has it been proven that a carb when burned produces 4 calories of energy ect ect… yes. Has it been proven that 1200 calories of protein and fat give the same amount of energy to a person as 1200 calories of fat and carbs or carbs and protein, no.
And so my point to OP was to not count calories but just eat as much protein and fat as he can. So instead of questioning me, if you feel the need to come here and criticize the information I have provided to the OP.
This time please explain to the community and all readers of this thread why and how calories is useful since you tend to disagree with it being a poorly ineffective means of measurement. And if you weren’t disagreeing with me, then I’m not quite sure why you even pointed it out other than to compare dicks and make yourself feel better…
Is someone here dieting for a contest? What if they have a very fast metabolism? Everyone sees better progress from low carbs? It has been proven in numerous studies and by example that the majority of your carbs should be consumed in the post workout window in order to replenish carbohydrate stores.
Since the body is not only designed to store fat and is constantly doing so, AND ALMOST ALL foods contain at least a little bit of carbohydrates, high carb meals aren’t needed any other time for MOST people. Here is a good way for the OP to find out if he really needs to follow a low carb plan, eat a big ass breakfast of pancakes, syrup, fruit and whatever else sugar you can find.
If you’re mood and energy levels aren’t affected 30-90 minutes later, then you can eat all the carbs you want. But even then, you should focus on low carbs so you can get lean first, but that discussion comes in a little bit.
So to answer your question is someone here on a dieting contest, and I’m assuming you mean who can diet the best, the answer would be no, but isn’t that obvious?
Since you didn’t give any information but only asked questions, asking what if a person has a fast metabolism only shows how little you know which is funny, since the only thing you have done in this thread is point out how little each person knows.
Metabolism is a complex process, and when people ask what if a person has a high metabolism it’s usually a stupid question because it shows that the person is thinking about food in terms of calories, which I already explained why that is a retarded process.
But if a person does have a high metabolic rate it usually means they have a hyper active thyroid, and that’s a whole different discussion, and only a doctor can fix that.
Does everyone see better progress from low carbs, obviously no? But again, achieving low body fat by restricting carbs should be achieved first. Then by experimenting and keeping detailed logs an individual can hone in on their diet and see how well the respond to more frequent carb feedings.
If you’re on anabolics than sure you can follow the jay culter diet of eating 200 grams of rice every hour or the ronnie coleman diet of french fries and ketchup with every meal, but this isn’t the steroid forum either…
If you think 4-6 hours alone constitutes a “fast” I would suggest holding off on that “study” you plan to put together until after you earn a degree. In fact, most studies are showing no difference in overall results from regular feedings 6 times a day and someone who can get the same caloric intake in from lesser frequency feedings.
Obviously this doesn’t help the guy who needs over 5,000 cals a day just to gain weight as it would be damned hard to eat that much in only two or three meals without starving the rest of the day.
First there is no need to use fast in “” as a fast simply refers to abstaining from food. So a 4 - 6 hour fast would mean no food for 4-6 hours. In no way did i recommended doing this. It’s really something I shouldn’t have added, but it was a study done, and it was interesting, and I have a general interest in all the geeky science stuff, so sometimes I have a hard time holding thigns back…
If you have the appetite, I would be intrigued to see what kind of results could be produced by getting to a low body fat. Anyways, when I said try, I meant trying it on myself, as the study itself was already done.
I can’t find it and not going to look it up, but the study showed that anabolism was greatly increased when the body was deprived of protein for 4-6 hours compared to 1 2 and 3 hours. I dont remember the percentages but i want to say anabolism was increased by like 260% or something.
It has also been proven though that the body starts catobolizing if isn’t kept supplied with a constant supply of aminos, so in the long run this might not be optimal.
It would be fairly difficult and would take quite a bit of time and resources to calculate the most efficient way to optimize anabolism and preventing catabolism in the body. And i would imagine it would be different in each unique individual. Never the less, it’s still interesting and gets you thinking.
How is this “smart”?
Well i’m so glad you asked professor x. I would like to refer you to Question of Strength: Volume 48.
A Gut Feeling
Q: Coach Poliquin, I know you’re into functional medicine and its application in the athletic world. Learned anything new lately that’s piqued your interest?
A: Yes, the relationship between the permeability of the intestinal barrier and disease is becoming more evident.
For example, look at people with a lot of food sensitivities. I’m not talking about a food allergy than can kill you if you eat the wrong thing, but a sensitivity to certain foods that can cause you to make a lot of cortisol because the food is a stressor.
What we found is that if you take a person with 88 food sensitivities and put them on a good gut-healing protocol, within six weeks that number decreases dramatically.
Also, we found that baseball players who use a lot of “greenies” or amphetamines are the ones with the most permeable guts from all the cortisol. This leads to what’s called “leaky gut syndrome,” and they’d run up a lot of food sensitivities.
Now, since 66 percent of all neurotransmitters are made in the gut lining, having a permeable gut means your neurotransmitter production is greatly compromised.
So, for example, 95 percent of serotonin is made in the intestinal wall, so a person suffering from depression could have leaky gut syndrome.
Long story short: Healing the gut is more important than most people think.
I would first like to point out
You have given us the assumption that you have 18" arms. Poliquin has trained double digit Olympic athletes…
I don’t quite understand all his methods and where has come up with some of this shit, but I have learned to trust him, and his methods have worked well for me. I cut out eggs beef chicken nuts bread alcohol lactose and ALL unnatural ingredients for 6 weeks. I also spritz all my vegetables with vinegar and hydrogen peroxide before washing.
And buy the vegetables and fruits that are sprayed with the most pesticides organic since this is mostly what causes it all… I then went back to eating most of those foods and gained 5lbs in one week. and 8 in a month.
I don’t know if I had an intolerance to all those foods, but I do know if i eat gluten products frequently I get sharp pains in my side which is what led me to try this all in the first place. And even though I blended up my nuts first in the blender before adding milk protein flax and olive oil, I would still have chunks of nuts in my poop.
Now gluten sparingly doesn’t give me sharp pains, and no more chunks of nuts in my poop. It might not work for someone else. So if it’s smart or not is a matter of opinion, if your opinion is it isn’t, again 18" arms… Olympic medals… I think Poliquin’s opinion trumps yours.
If you truly are that curious though…
With 26,000 posts I would like to think that you have some connections here on the website.
So you should be able to ask him directly and get an answer on all this. I know you can also get a 15 minute phone consultation for around 800$ so you can always try asking him that way as well.
I’m sorry, but WHAT? Where are you getting this info from? Most bodybuilders eat the same shit for decades on end when preparing for contests with very little changes and they don’t “build up food tolerances” that somehow lead to magic fat gain.
Are we back to believing calories haven’t been proven again?
Fine, fine i will save you the time and resources of getting this information yourself since you obviously just spend most your time on these forums trolling.
Its not gonna be a huge difference… Is a food tolerance going to make you obese… no? Will correcting a food intollerance help you gain weight and help control cortisol levels, yes. Since you so ill-informed I will explain it to you. Most people eat the same things day in and day out, and what happens is the food builds up in your intestines.
From here you will have partially digested protein that gets into the blood flow from the intestine to the liver. The liver doesn’t like partially digested protein so it starts producing antibodies for that particular protein. And these antibodies can cause a gazillion different thing, its different in each individual.
Regardless of what it does, it causes additional stress on the liver which is going to cause cortisol levels to go up, ect ect. So by getting your protein from a large variety of sources you prevent this from happening. This is also what makes protein powder so potent, is because it’s mostly aminos in their most basic form.
Uh,. what if he gains muscle faster at 12% body fat? What if he finds he gains muscle faster at “13%”? Why do you think everyone needs to stay under 10% body fat?
Most competitive bodybuilders don’t even stay that lean year round and it doesn’t take into account those who see more progress at higher body fat percentages. Are you saying people like that don’t exist?
Obviously every person is different. But maintaining body fat around 10% is pretty easy. Getting there may be difficult for some but maintaining it can be easy. If you’re the fat black guy in your avatar, not everyone aspires to look like a powerlifter. When we think of bodybuilders we all think of LEAN muscular physiques, not just muscular physiques.
So since we are in the bodybuilding category of the threads, I’m going to make the assumption we are talking about building muscle on lean physiques. It’s usually right around 10% where you can see the middle line that separates the abs and is around the % you can see the lower abs. Low carbs and low body fat also helps lower insulin levels.
Low insulin levels correlates with healthier cholesterol, healthier blood pressure, lower inflammation and mitochondria’s energy producing capabilities.
These are all gonna help you stay in the weight lifting game longer, live a longer healthier life, and if you’re able to stay in the game longer and healthier, you’re going to be able to build muscle better and over a longer period of time.
There are some obvious direct effects and less obvious indirect effects. Lastly, if you maintain a relatively low body fat % it’s easier to go lower and easy to correct if you slip for a few months.
Wait, so you have scientific proof that “hormones” are universally optimized simply because someone is “10%” instead of 14%?
Do you really believe this shit?
Studies have shown that high body fat is linked with lower T levels. Also by lowering body fat and improving insulin regulation you increase the use of fat stored in the muscle and fatty acids as a form of energy.
From a long term perspetive your goal should be to stay relatively lean, again around 10% to improve insulin sensitivity. This will allow you to be much more carb tolerant and able to add more muscle when consuming carbs instead of using carbs to store fat. So yes, I really do believe this shit to answer your question.
I’m not even reading the rest of that, but my guess is, 18" arms aren’t something you are sporting. I’m guessing you are claiming to not have read the rest of that because you really don’t have any more dumb shit to say about the rest.
Since we are getting into a dick comparing contest, my guess is a six pack isn’t something you are sporting, since black people show definition like crazy and I can barely make out the difference between your deltoid and arm, and also notice a lack of vascularity.
With 26,000 posts you obviously have nothing better to do then to sit at your computer, get fatter, and read this shit.
I am also recommending you take more advanced courses in biology…and then take a little time to realize that some of the people on this board aren’t exactly uneducated.
I’m recommending you take some more advance courses in argumentation because you have utterly failed to make any point, or refuting any point I have made.
All you have done is ask questions will only weakens your credibility and shows your complete lack of knowledge that your are insinuating you are in possession of.
You give a reference to someone you have trained and how he failed, which only further disproves what kind of advice you give.
AT no point did I discredit anyone’s education or what they said.
I only state that I felt bad for the OP that he came to a site offering information and went to forum to collect more from his peers and instead was only put down and had his thread hi-jacked by possessors of 18" arms who have such low self esteem that they need to get into dick comparing contests and ramble about how wrong everyone while offering little themselves.
I can see why you avoid the forums…
and i can see why you spend so much time on them.
“Stay under 10% body fat” and “hormones are optimized at 10%” isn’t a plethora of knowledge. You simply read some articles. You don’t get a degree in random personal trainer article reading.
And a degree in biology because you weren’t smart enough to finish chemistry doesn’t make you some exercise science expert. The top coaches around the country will all tell you how little they use their formal education and how much wrong information even a college degree gives you in exercise science.
You also refer to the pros, but then you would know most pros hover around 9-12% in the off season so I don’t really know where you are going with that…
At no point did i say all people were universal… When intelligent people speak to other intelligent people they tend to assume common sense, like all people aren’t universal out of conversations, because something like that is assumed.
Also, since we are recommending things to each other, I think you could use some more advanced reading comprehension classes as well.
I was sure to be much more clear and forward in this post though. I’m glad you have earned you degree in forum trolling.
At 26,000 posts you obviously have taken a lot of time on learning how to obtain chunky 18" arms and earned a degree in forum troll who spends way too much time on forums.
Why don’t you post a picture of it framed and hanging on your wall for us.
My main goal and point though was to just give him the information and let him do what he wants with it.[/quote]
What the hell?
You are going to have to show you even work out before I waste the time reading this wall of dumbassery you’ve concocted and left on this site like a steaming pile of Poliquin’s last shit.
I do see how you, like so many others before you, harp on my post count when the going gets rough. How original. I’ve been on this site for about 9 years. Whoopdefuckingdoo that I have several posts here.
I will inform you that I passed 18" arms up a long time ago and I am waiting for just one of you fuckers…JUST ONE…to approach me face to face in any setting to inform me of how obese I apparently am.
Yes, 21" arms and a chest over 53" is surely something I should be ashamed of. I’ll get right on that. I have no love handles at this weight but clearly I am on my way to riding one of the scooters in Walmart compared to someone as physically advanced as yourself.
Please post a picture of your own development for comparison. If someone has the “internet balls” to negatively discuss my appearance, you would think they would have the same iBalls to post a picture.
I’m waiting…
For your excuse.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I wonder if he thought anyone was going to read all that?
That’s the longest post I’ve seen here, ever, I think.[/quote]
By far.
It takes a weak mind to try this hard to poorly appear intelligent.
Don’t forget kids…calories are a MYTH!!!
tinman said so.
OP - Just pick a basic program and do it. Before T-Nation was invented i made great gains on a basic split that the 50 year female PT gave me at my local gym, couldn’t tell you what was in it, basic lifts, some machines, whatever…4 sets of 8-12 or something
Didn’t have a fancy acronym or anything, but i tried really hard and tried to lift more in whatever the exercises that she choose were as often as i could.
Its just not that hard man.
Still think he’s stringing you guys along.
[quote]Aggro wrote:
Still think he’s stringing you guys along. [/quote]
He’s been given about 5-6 different programs and still keeps asking bullshit questions about other programs.
He’s either a complete idiot, or a troll (dick).
[quote]
What the hell?
You are going to have to show you even work out before I waste the time reading this wall of dumbassery you’ve concocted and left on this site like a steaming pile of Poliquin’s last shit.
I do see how you, like so many others before you, harp on my post count when the going gets rough. How original. I’ve been on this site for about 9 years. Whoopdefuckingdoo that I have several posts here.
I will inform you that I passed 18" arms up a long time ago and I am waiting for just one of you fuckers…JUST ONE…to approach me face to face in any setting to inform me of how obese I apparently am.
Yes, 21" arms and a chest over 53" is surely something I should be ashamed of. I’ll get right on that. I have no love handles at this weight but clearly I am on my way to riding one of the scooters in Walmart compared to someone as physically advanced as yourself.
Please post a picture of your own development for comparison. If someone has the “internet balls” to negatively discuss my appearance, you would think they would have the same iBalls to post a picture.
I’m waiting…
For your excuse. [/quote]
iBalls! Awesome.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.[/quote]
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Aggro wrote:
Still think he’s stringing you guys along.
He’s been given about 5-6 different programs and still keeps asking bullshit questions about other programs.
He’s other a complete idiot, or a troll (dick).[/quote]
That’s why I think he’s full of shit. He’s used some key words “eat everything not nailed down” in his posts where he comes across as somewhat intelligent, but then goes back to playing full retard with some of his questions.
Oh and his marijuana thread just adds to it. He can supposedly cite studies but he can’t find a program? Yah right.
[quote]Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted[/quote]
You have a good memory. I did respond to that but it was erased almost right after I did.
I actually liked that thread.
I can see why he wouldn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted
You have a good memory. I did respond to that but it was erased almost right after I did.
I actually liked that thread.
I can see why he wouldn’t.[/quote]
Was a good thread.
Its a shame it wasn’t left up, would have given the site a lot of credibility in terms of free speech and what not.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Aggro wrote:
Any chance we could have a Thunderdome type of thread between Tinman and NP?
I think if that were to occur, we’d join forces to escape Beyond Thunderdome™. Tinman is my new favorite poster. I really like this guy. Just pace yourself, man. Careful you don’t burn yourself out when dealing with the crazies.[/quote]
I hope you realize that you posted a pic of Lord Humungous: “the warrior of the wasteland, the ayatollah of rock ‘n’ roll-ah”. Humungous never appeared in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome - he was in Road Warrior.
You were thinking of Master-Blaster: a little guy with a huge ego problem, but no physical development. Master’s interests range from referring to himself in the third person to piggy-backing on a big retarded guy called ‘Blaster’, whilst gibbering about being superior to anybody who will listen.
Hmmm.Sounds vaguely familiar…
Edit: Besides, if you think you can team up to break out of Thunderdome, then you’ve forgotten its only rule: “two men enter, one man leave”…
Clearly you’ve never set foot inside a Thunderdome before…
[quote]Aggro wrote:
That’s why I think he’s full of shit. He’s used some key words “eat everything not nailed down” in his posts where he comes across as somewhat intelligent, but then goes back to playing full retard with some of his questions.
Oh and his marijuana thread just adds to it. He can supposedly cite studies but he can’t find a program? Yah right.[/quote]
Don’t forget his second question: “What do you think of replacing all of your protein shakes with egg whites?”…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted
You have a good memory. I did respond to that but it was erased almost right after I did.
I actually liked that thread.
I can see why he wouldn’t.[/quote]
i figured as much its not your style to “just let things go” i wonder why it was all deleted i am pretty sure that wasn’t the first or last time a T-Nation coach has had to defend his stance to a reader. i makes me wonder what else has been swept under the rug.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
<<< Now THIS is quality trolling. Not obvious (too much) in the thread starter, then a nice lead in with the ‘over 2400 calories’. Kudos!! Can’t wait to read the rest of the thread!
[/quote]
I think you’re assuming that nobody could ever really think that’s a lot. I promise you they can.
[quote]Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted
You have a good memory. I did respond to that but it was erased almost right after I did.
I actually liked that thread.
I can see why he wouldn’t.
i figured as much its not your style to “just let things go” i wonder why it was all deleted i am pretty sure that wasn’t the first or last time a T-Nation coach has had to defend his stance to a reader. i makes me wonder what else has been swept under the rug.[/quote]
I wont get into or start the debate, and i mean no disrespect to the guys who run this place here but there is a reasonably high degree of censorship and people should be aware of it.
That said, its not their responsibility to ensure that people don’t take whatever “Dr. everyauthor, MD, PHD” says and swallow it whole, they are just people.
[quote]Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Clifford wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FutureGL wrote:
That’s why I can’t find it…
All you’ll find now are the threads that led to it. They even had most of my responses erased from the article discussion thread that led to that “debate” (That Critic article he put out once). If you go back to read that discussion now, it looks like I never wrote anything contradicting what he wrote. All you’ll see are the praise posts.
ya but i remember reading it before it was deleted. unless i recall wrong it ended with CW saying something along the lines of “what do want? do you want me to just say your right?” after that you either never responded or you were no longer permitted to post in that thread. either way that was the best round table debate i have read here…while it lasted
You have a good memory. I did respond to that but it was erased almost right after I did.
I actually liked that thread.
I can see why he wouldn’t.
i figured as much its not your style to “just let things go” i wonder why it was all deleted i am pretty sure that wasn’t the first or last time a T-Nation coach has had to defend his stance to a reader. i makes me wonder what else has been swept under the rug.[/quote]
In that particular instance, he was the one throwing all of the insults. I think after sitting back and reading it all, they finally realized that it just made him look bad. He assumed he was speaking to a “meathead”. It seemed to be a surprise to him when I informed him of my background and even my position in the military at the time.
At the end of it all, he seemed to be much less than the deity so many fanboys view him as.
