Opinions of Chad Waterbury Programs?

Since we are giving each other our opinions. I think you have self security issues and lack a decent personality to make friends which explains why you have 26,000 posts on this forum. The point of this website and forums is to obtain information, and yet you have done nothing to help support that.

Not only have you failed at giving helpful information, but you have wasted how much of your own time to come into this thread and only ask more questions and get into a dick comparing contest by giving the assumption that your arms arms are 18" and questioning how credible other people’s posts are…

Then you berate everyone who states an opinion that you seem to not agree with.

If you don’t like the information given to the OP, then why don’t you give the OP what you see as correct information, instead of nit picking at every single person who only has good intentions which is to help the guy.

Lets calculate the amount of personal time you have spent on these forums. We will say that you have spent 3 minutes on average to come to the forums, read the posts and make either short posts or lengthy quotes.

So of your 26,000 posts we will x this by 3 minutes which = 78,000 minutes. We will divide this by 60 minutes to come with the hours which = 1300 hours.

We will say when you do come to the forums, you only spend 1 hour a day doing this. And with there being 360 days in a year, you basically have wasted an hour every single day for 4 years.

Assuming the posts you have made on other threads are similar to the ones you have made here, one can only question why someone would waste so much of their personal time to put down others. And the reality is, is you have probably spent quadruple or more of that amount of time on these forums.

Also, since you have hardly contributed any informative or helpful knowledge to this thread, and failed to refute anything I said but only ask more questions… I don’t quite see what kind of point you are trying to make or have made… ? But we’ll get to that at the end of this post…

In the end none of this really matters though, and who really fucking cares? Like I said, since we sharing our opinions of each other, I thought I would share how I see things :slight_smile:

Wilbur Olin Atwater came up with the concept of calories in the late 1800’s and I remember in 9th grade biology where we burned a few different pieces of food and calculated the amount of calories each piece had. Much later I learn about about amino acids and what they do, and realize how little they contribute to energy with someone who is adequately nurtured.

The concept of calories and the whole idea of it is outdated and gives us little information besides provide a means of measurement to how much a person eats. But then again, if you down a shot of olive oil which is about 400 cals, how accurately does it even do that? So I guess depending on how you look at it, I was in some way wrong.

But I was in a rush and my mind was racing as it was late at night so I worded my opinion poorly. Has it been proven that a carb when burned produces 4 calories of energy ect ect… yes. Has it been proven that 1200 calories of protein and fat give the same amount of energy to a person as 1200 calories of fat and carbs or carbs and protein, no.

And so my point to OP was to not count calories but just eat as much protein and fat as he can. So instead of questioning me, if you feel the need to come here and criticize the information I have provided to the OP.

This time please explain to the community and all readers of this thread why and how calories is useful since you tend to disagree with it being a poorly ineffective means of measurement. And if you weren’t disagreeing with me, then I’m not quite sure why you even pointed it out other than to compare dicks and make yourself feel better…

[quote]Is someone here dieting for a contest? What if they have a very fast metabolism? Everyone sees better progress from low carbs?[/quote] It has been proven in numerous studies and by example that the majority of your carbs should be consumed in the post workout window in order to replenish carbohydrate stores.

Since the body is not only designed to store fat and is constantly doing so, AND ALMOST ALL foods contain at least a little bit of carbohydrates, high carb meals aren’t needed any other time for MOST people. Here is a good way for the OP to find out if he really needs to follow a low carb plan, eat a big ass breakfast of pancakes, syrup, fruit and whatever else sugar you can find.

If you’re mood and energy levels aren’t affected 30-90 minutes later, then you can eat all the carbs you want. But even then, you should focus on low carbs so you can get lean first, but that discussion comes in a little bit.

So to answer your question is someone here on a dieting contest, and I’m assuming you mean who can diet the best, the answer would be no, but isn’t that obvious?

Since you didn’t give any information but only asked questions, asking what if a person has a fast metabolism only shows how little you know which is funny, since the only thing you have done in this thread is point out how little each person knows.

Metabolism is a complex process, and when people ask what if a person has a high metabolism it’s usually a stupid question because it shows that the person is thinking about food in terms of calories, which I already explained why that is a retarded process.

But if a person does have a high metabolic rate it usually means they have a hyper active thyroid, and that’s a whole different discussion, and only a doctor can fix that.

Does everyone see better progress from low carbs, obviously no? But again, achieving low body fat by restricting carbs should be achieved first. Then by experimenting and keeping detailed logs an individual can hone in on their diet and see how well the respond to more frequent carb feedings.

If you’re on anabolics than sure you can follow the jay culter diet of eating 200 grams of rice every hour or the ronnie coleman diet of french fries and ketchup with every meal, but this isn’t the steroid forum either…

First there is no need to use fast in “” as a fast simply refers to abstaining from food. So a 4 - 6 hour fast would mean no food for 4-6 hours. In no way did i recommended doing this. It’s really something I shouldn’t have added, but it was a study done, and it was interesting, and I have a general interest in all the geeky science stuff, so sometimes I have a hard time holding thigns back…

If you have the appetite, I would be intrigued to see what kind of results could be produced by getting to a low body fat. Anyways, when I said try, I meant trying it on myself, as the study itself was already done.

I can’t find it and not going to look it up, but the study showed that anabolism was greatly increased when the body was deprived of protein for 4-6 hours compared to 1 2 and 3 hours. I dont remember the percentages but i want to say anabolism was increased by like 260% or something.

It has also been proven though that the body starts catobolizing if isn’t kept supplied with a constant supply of aminos, so in the long run this might not be optimal.

It would be fairly difficult and would take quite a bit of time and resources to calculate the most efficient way to optimize anabolism and preventing catabolism in the body. And i would imagine it would be different in each unique individual. Never the less, it’s still interesting and gets you thinking.

Fine, fine i will save you the time and resources of getting this information yourself since you obviously just spend most your time on these forums trolling.

Its not gonna be a huge difference… Is a food tolerance going to make you obese… no? Will correcting a food intollerance help you gain weight and help control cortisol levels, yes. Since you so ill-informed I will explain it to you. Most people eat the same things day in and day out, and what happens is the food builds up in your intestines.

From here you will have partially digested protein that gets into the blood flow from the intestine to the liver. The liver doesn’t like partially digested protein so it starts producing antibodies for that particular protein. And these antibodies can cause a gazillion different thing, its different in each individual.

Regardless of what it does, it causes additional stress on the liver which is going to cause cortisol levels to go up, ect ect. So by getting your protein from a large variety of sources you prevent this from happening. This is also what makes protein powder so potent, is because it’s mostly aminos in their most basic form.

[quote] Uh,. what if he gains muscle faster at 12% body fat? What if he finds he gains muscle faster at “13%”? Why do you think everyone needs to stay under 10% body fat?

Most competitive bodybuilders don’t even stay that lean year round and it doesn’t take into account those who see more progress at higher body fat percentages. Are you saying people like that don’t exist?
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Obviously every person is different. But maintaining body fat around 10% is pretty easy. Getting there may be difficult for some but maintaining it can be easy. If you’re the fat black guy in your avatar, not everyone aspires to look like a powerlifter. When we think of bodybuilders we all think of LEAN muscular physiques, not just muscular physiques.

So since we are in the bodybuilding category of the threads, I’m going to make the assumption we are talking about building muscle on lean physiques. It’s usually right around 10% where you can see the middle line that separates the abs and is around the % you can see the lower abs. Low carbs and low body fat also helps lower insulin levels.

Low insulin levels correlates with healthier cholesterol, healthier blood pressure, lower inflammation and mitochondria’s energy producing capabilities.

These are all gonna help you stay in the weight lifting game longer, live a longer healthier life, and if you’re able to stay in the game longer and healthier, you’re going to be able to build muscle better and over a longer period of time.

There are some obvious direct effects and less obvious indirect effects. Lastly, if you maintain a relatively low body fat % it’s easier to go lower and easy to correct if you slip for a few months.

[quote]Wait, so you have scientific proof that “hormones” are universally optimized simply because someone is “10%” instead of 14%?

Do you really believe this shit?

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Studies have shown that high body fat is linked with lower T levels. Also by lowering body fat and improving insulin regulation you increase the use of fat stored in the muscle and fatty acids as a form of energy.

From a long term perspetive your goal should be to stay relatively lean, again around 10% to improve insulin sensitivity. This will allow you to be much more carb tolerant and able to add more muscle when consuming carbs instead of using carbs to store fat. So yes, I really do believe this shit to answer your question.

[quote]I’m not even reading the rest of that, but my guess is, 18" arms aren’t something you are sporting.[/quote] I’m guessing you are claiming to not have read the rest of that because you really don’t have any more dumb shit to say about the rest.

Since we are getting into a dick comparing contest, my guess is a six pack isn’t something you are sporting, since black people show definition like crazy and I can barely make out the difference between your deltoid and arm, and also notice a lack of vascularity.

With 26,000 posts you obviously have nothing better to do then to sit at your computer, get fatter, and read this shit.

I’m recommending you take some more advance courses in argumentation because you have utterly failed to make any point, or refuting any point I have made.

All you have done is ask questions will only weakens your credibility and shows your complete lack of knowledge that your are insinuating you are in possession of.

You give a reference to someone you have trained and how he failed, which only further disproves what kind of advice you give.

AT no point did I discredit anyone’s education or what they said.

I only state that I felt bad for the OP that he came to a site offering information and went to forum to collect more from his peers and instead was only put down and had his thread hi-jacked by possessors of 18" arms who have such low self esteem that they need to get into dick comparing contests and ramble about how wrong everyone while offering little themselves.

and i can see why you spend so much time on them.

And a degree in biology because you weren’t smart enough to finish chemistry doesn’t make you some exercise science expert. The top coaches around the country will all tell you how little they use their formal education and how much wrong information even a college degree gives you in exercise science.

You also refer to the pros, but then you would know most pros hover around 9-12% in the off season so I don’t really know where you are going with that…

At no point did i say all people were universal… When intelligent people speak to other intelligent people they tend to assume common sense, like all people aren’t universal out of conversations, because something like that is assumed.

Also, since we are recommending things to each other, I think you could use some more advanced reading comprehension classes as well.

I was sure to be much more clear and forward in this post though. I’m glad you have earned you degree in forum trolling.

At 26,000 posts you obviously have taken a lot of time on learning how to obtain chunky 18" arms and earned a degree in forum troll who spends way too much time on forums.

Why don’t you post a picture of it framed and hanging on your wall for us.

My main goal and point though was to just give him the information and let him do what he wants with it.

Look Prof X paid his dues for so many years to get where he’s at. I would rather listen to someone who has added muscle and strength over many years. Then someone who is simply copying and pasting shit all day to amuse himself and try to belittle others. Who probably doesn’t even stand out in public.

This is a fucking bodybuilding forum, I come on here to learn from guys who have been there and done that. Who can give me tips. Unless you’re pushing bigger than average size. I could careless what you have to say.

IF you don’t give a shit, then why are you taking your own time to not only read but respond to what I have to say. If you come here to learn then you should support what I say in getting rid of the retard cock wars and trolling.

And pay his dues? What the fuck is this survivor, or even worse a real job? This is a free forum, people come here for informative information, like you said. If the guy with 26,000 posts has gotten tired of giving out the same information over and over, he can go do something else?

Noone is forcing him to come here, read threads and put down every single thing someone says. Regardless of what you say, the simple fact he has spent so much time and made so many posts just to criticize without offering real information is only a measure of his character.

I made many points using simple scientific concepts to explain them to point someone in the right direction. If you want to further discuss who you would rather get your information than by all means go create a thread on it.

But whatever then name of the OP is this is his thread, I came here to help him. If you agree with what I said then you can give him more information to help support that, if you disagree then you can explain in detail why.

So whatever dues this guy paid and respect you are insinuating he deserves… I find laughable. 26,000 posts signifies a loser who doesn’t appreciate the value of his own time.

If the guy is so credible and knowledgeable he should be out there making money for his knowledge not waving his 18" cock around on the forum demanding internet props, give me a fucking break.

[quote]tinman15 wrote:
I’m a Poliquin fanboy.[/quote]

You know man, if you replaced all of the kool-aid youre drinking with protein and spent half as much time training as you do memorizing Poliquin’s articles, you might have some decent stats to post in your profile.

It is reasonable to require that when an individual makes an assertion under the guise of “studies have proven”, that that individual is able to produce those studies. If youre all about the science here, then show me the money.

99% of “bodybuilders” operate under the assumption that this shit is way more complicated than it actually is. The other 1% are the ones getting big doing the basics and not worrying about anything other than not missing meals, getting enough sleep, and throwing around heavier and heavier slag each time they work out.

[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:

6’5 and 220 lbs of muscle.
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LOL.

LOL @ TINMAN.

T-Nation is getting more rawfles out of me then 4chan.

[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Only three workouts total for chest and back? How many sets of each movement do you do?[/quote]

You mean only 3 exercises?

Yes, that’s correct.

I’m a big believer in finding out which exercises work best and sticking to them. I have found those machines to work the best for hitting each respective muscle group.

It’s not as if your chest and back muscles have multiple, unrelated functions. The primary function of the pecs is to draw the arms towards the midline of the body in a motion identical to the fly exercise.

The primary function of the mid and upper back muscles is scapular retraction. Lats act as antagonists to the traps and depress the scapula from an elevated position (think of reaching overhead on the lat pulldown).

As for sets and reps, you just keep going until you can no longer feel the muscle. I’m usually done in maybe 6 sets but beginners will require far more volume, easily double that or more. My sets also last a very long time because I simply won’t put the weight down until the pain is excruciating.

[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Nominal Prospect no good? He is so convincing…He must have been the captain of the debate team in school.[/quote]

This IS high school and I am captain of the debate team right here.

I wonder if he thought anyone was going to read all that?

That’s the longest post I’ve seen here, ever, I think.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
(no offense NP, T-Nation would be terribly boring without your efforts)[/quote]

None taken, kamerad.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
It is reasonable to require that when an individual makes an assertion under the guise of “studies have proven”, that that individual is able to produce those studies. If youre all about the science here, then show me the money.[/quote]

I fucking hate forums. All we talk about is how little everyone knows. I’ll provide links to every little thing that I might of made a comment of a study or explain in detail how it’s just common knowledge. There was a study though at some point though for us to accept things as fact.

For example if I had said studies show the sky is blue and you ask me to prove it and I go into detail about the electro magnetic spectrum, it’s something that we accept as true and the REAL studies are buried somewhere. I am not going to waste my time coming with studies like this but I will explain the analogical equivalent of the spectrum range.

To start this off white button mushrooms and their potential effects on testosterone…

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/12/3288

Im surprised there isn’t broc and wbm extracts…

Spinach is high in many minerals and vitamins including zinc. Zinc and it’s effects on T is or should be common knowledge amongst the crowd I’m speaking to.

I explained in detail why the concept of calories is stupid. No study is needed as anyone with intelligence and make the connection how the body doesn’t use aminos directly for energy yet we count them as a contribution to total calorie count…

The body and how we use nutrients is a complex system. It would take way longer than I would care to take to explain. But know metabolism anabolism and catabolism is a complex process and to sum it all up in a system labeled as calories is retarded and severely inaccurate.

I wish I could find the study of eating every 4-6 hours, I lost the source. But again it’s not something I recommend just something I mentioned for those who were interested.

As far as carb consumption goes. And this is the biggest part where I talk about studies at… The thing is, is I don’t have my books anymore I sold them on ebay for 80-$100 but this is all pretty basic digestive stuff. I’ll explain it to you though in a way for it to make sense easily so that we dont even need a study. I tried to avoid making my long post even longer by just saying studies show…

But here is the explanation since you asked. To put carbs in simplest terms, carbs are stored in muscles and other cells as an energy source or converted into fat for later use. Working out depletes the stores, so to prevent catabolism one would want to take in a large amount of carbs to prevent this.

If you are carrying a lot of fat, this isn’t necessary cuz the body can just get the carbs it needs from stored fat tissue. As we reduce the amount of fat one carries, and increase the amount of muscle , they can start eating much more carbs.

So basically staying fat makes it easier for you stay fat, getting lean makes it eaiser for you to stay lean, it a constant cycle and pattern and it just depends in what direction you go. IF you want to stay on the fat side so you have an extra 2" on your arms for bragging rights, that’s your choice.

BUT, since we are in the body building category and we refer to bodybuilding as LEAN muscular physiques. I think it’s easy for anyone to realize why we should concentrate at getting body fat low as a first priority. I mentioned all the benefits low body fat possess, the biggest one though is increased Testosterone.

This is the money maker here so pay attention. Adipose tissue aka connective tissue aka FAT is the greatest contributor to aromitization. So for those of us not on anabolic and want to Maximize our own natural Testosterone production, this is important.

Next thing I know you’re going to be asking me why T is important for muscle building. I hope this explanation reduces the need for a study…

And then I explained in detail about food intolerances and what happens. If you don’t believe my explanations then by all means start studying the digestive system and explain to me in detail how this isn’t true.

Funny and a weak attempt of an insult. I came here to help the guy and felt a need to stand up to the plethora of trolls on this thread for the OP cuz I could relate to him, so I took some responsibility for the guy to add insight and put all the cock wavering a side and give him some real information that he can do what he wants with.

Those who have challenged what I said I happily invite cuz I can go into as much detail as need to explain what I know, which is more than what most can say. I have made more points in an entire post than just about what everyone has collectively.

As far as stats on my profile goes I don’t see what real relevance they hold except to show how well I follow my own knowledge and advice. I have never even visited my profile and have nothing to prove on this web site. I’m actually a very private and self secure person.

I don’t have insecurity issues and need to flaunt my accomplishments amongst a bunch of internet surfers who make 26,000 posts doing nothing but insulting others and questioning information.

99% is a figure you pulled out of your ass.

Clearly reading comprehension isn’t your strong point either.

Not arguing that either, as it is basically that simple. But the OP seemed confused so I tried to go in detail to give a more convincing point of view and steer him in the right direction. My post wasn’t geared towards you, obviously so I didn’t have to make a more basic post on basic principles.

This is exactly why you, and many others should just scroll over these threads, which is my point… What is yours?

If you read what I said, I said eat cleanly, eat a lot in the form of protein and fats. Get lean. Workout on a 5 day intead of 7 day schedule, coax don’t force your muscles into adaption, and get structurally balanced…

A slight increase like 1.25 pounds might be something many scoff at . on a 5 day schedule over the course of year… that would equate to 91lb increase. And I think MANY lifters would be happy with a 91 lb increase in any lift over the course of year.

This will be my last post, as I have made my point for the OP. The funny thing is how many people agree with me and the pms I got asking for help. Many just dont want to be devoured by the trolls lurking on the forums. I genuinely like to help people and steer them in the right direction.

If you don’t like what I have to say then scroll the fuck over it. Find something better to do with your time. If you disagree with it and want to question what i say instead of asking me to go into the minute details of how every single thing works, actually input something that disproves something i said.

I would like to give a final props to 26,000 posts. I admire the accomplishment you have made, and dues you have paid. I think you have proven to us all how knowledgeable one can become if they spend a large amount of time here.

[quote]tinman15 wrote:

If you’re the fat black guy in your avatar, not everyone aspires to look like a powerlifter. When we think of bodybuilders we all think of LEAN muscular physiques, not just muscular physiques.

Since we are getting into a dick comparing contest, my guess is a six pack isn’t something you are sporting, since black people show definition like crazy and I can barely make out the difference between your deltoid and arm, and also notice a lack of vascularity.

With 26,000 posts you obviously have nothing better to do then to sit at your computer, get fatter, and read this shit.

I was sure to be much more clear and forward in this post though. I’m glad you have earned you degree in forum trolling.

At 26,000 posts you obviously have taken a lot of time on learning how to obtain chunky 18" arms and earned a degree in forum troll who spends way too much time on forums.

Why don’t you post a picture of it framed and hanging on your wall for us.
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I LOL’ed at these, and look forward to the response in the morning. I love how anyone is now obese because you can’t see his lower abs despite massive amounts of muscle.

Ok, he’s not a troll. Jon is actually my friend from home.

1st off. Dude you only eat 2400!? I’m 5’10 170 at 8% body fat and I eat well over that a day.

2nd. TBT works for me, sometimes, like when I’m going to need more conditioning days for rugby. I prefer upper/lower splits for any kind of strength gains. If it didn’t work for you, you should have stopped.

This thread is 8 pages long? I could have told you half of the shit the guys have been yelling at you. Do I need to come back to jersey and kick your ass?

I guess I’m going to ask the other members to try and have some patience with him, thanks.

[quote]TBT4ver wrote:

since black people show definition like crazy[/quote]

Holy stereotypes batman!

Any chance we could have a Thunderdome type of thread between Tinman and NP?

naah it’s way cooler that this thread gets completely hijacked, plus it keeps everything in context.

I didnt see you back a single thing up in your novel of a post with anything besides “studies have show…” and “Charles Poliquin says…”

Most likely, the people you got PM’s from asking for help are over analyzing newbies who think that they need the latest and greatest training and nutrition technologies in order to make the beginner gains they are missing out on by forgetting to simply train hard and eat big. I guarantee you that the ones that arent asking for help arent asking because they have a clue and the figured out long ago that getting big is nowhere nearly as complicated as some like to make it out to be.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
TBT4ver wrote:

since black people show definition like crazy

Holy stereotypes batman![/quote]

funny and i know i said last post but I don’t want to be labeled as a stereotyper or anything like that. But you’ll notice contrasts more in dark colors in this case a blacker person than in light colors. If you notice when you scan something, all you have to do to get rid of wrinkles and lines is to turn up the brightness or lower the contrast, same concept. This is why all the pros tan to near black levels.

What are your opinions on GVT?

[quote]JonBlood wrote:
What are your opinions on GVT?[/quote]

Dude…pick and fucking program already and get to work.