Whatever he is or isn’t, he’s always respectful towards his opponents and doesn’t seem to make excuses. I don’t know how hard he worked, but he seemed to be more interested in making money and having a good time than reaching the elite raks of his profession. Maybe aside from absurd size and strength he didn’t have a great deal of skill and could give a shit about improving it.
As a fighter.
unskilled oaf… but a great example of size and strength overcoming technical ability. Sell out, but marketing fucking genius though. If you’re going to sell out he sure did it for the right amount.
he’s like their version of will smith.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
As a fighter.
unskilled oaf… but a great example of size and strength overcoming technical ability. Sell out, but marketing fucking genius though. If you’re going to sell out he sure did it for the right amount.
he’s like their version of will smith.
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Don’t be hatin on Will Smith. You know you used to practice the Men In Black dance like the rest of us.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
As a fighter.
unskilled oaf… but a great example of size and strength overcoming technical ability. Sell out, but marketing fucking genius though. If you’re going to sell out he sure did it for the right amount.
he’s like their version of will smith.
Don’t be hatin on Will Smith. You know you used to practice the Men In Black dance like the rest of us.[/quote]
Christ, I had an old roomate who did that
I definitely have to watch youtube fights of Hoost again because I remember one of the slugfest ending with bob sapp not being able to fight anymore and Ernesto looking around like “How’d I lose?” Sapp had cracked ribs, hand and could barely walk.
Sapp still deserves credit, about as much as kimbo both those guys were heavy street fighters who did pretty good compared to their competition that fought all their life. It seems to be easier done for heavy weights.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I definitely have to watch youtube fights of Hoost again because I remember one of the slugfest ending with bob sapp not being able to fight anymore and Ernesto looking around like “How’d I lose?” Sapp had cracked ribs, hand and could barely walk.
Sapp still deserves credit, about as much as kimbo both those guys were heavy street fighters who did pretty good compared to their competition that fought all their life. It seems to be easier done for heavy weights.[/quote]
I will definitely disagree with you in that Kimbo deserves credit, but I guess it’s a trivial matter to argue over. Maybe when he beats someone with a winning record and puts his skin on the line against world class competition like Sapp did.
Hoost is one of the greatest Fighters ever while Sapp will always a be clown and a successful rich whore (remember when he played the monkey in the zoo?).
It’s sports we’re talking about, some of you did obviously forget that.
And while in Japan these “superfights” may be a merry fightnight, they are still retarded.
Such a big weight discrepancy makes the usual exchange of techniques nonexistant.
These weight classes are there for a reason, you know!
And it takes zero away from Hoost.
It’s not K1 we saw, but some bizarre brawl.
Same thing with Nog. Who says he would shoot so reckless on hard pavement? Cant he do also some nasty things? I bet his arsenal of eye attacks, groin strikes and dirty tricks is far superior to Sapps.
We could discuss how awesome Sapp would be in a streetfight, but that is a different retarded story.
c’mon, this is ridiculous. “bob sapp would have won vs nog if that were a streetfight…”
has that ever been a way to judge an MMA fight? people come up with the lamest excuses for their fighters. i’ve even seen people making excuses for tank abbot, saying “well, he only lost cuz he got tired…”
That’s the whole point of the sport!
and nog used to be a valetudo fighter before he was MMA. i’ve never seen a vale tudo fight that wasn’t on mats.
whay i think of bob sapp… he’s just big and strong. he’s not much of a fighter. a handful of guys like bob sapp, tank abbot, and a few others limit themselves for trying to be just a big, strong guy who doesn’t train. you are never going to have a champion or anyone in the top 10 who just fights without practicing technique. if sapp or abbot consistently worked on improving their technique over the years they would have had alot more victories in their careers.
there are no MMA coaches anywhere that will tell you “don’t work on your striking or grappling, just train with weights and get big.”
[quote]JoeyDestroy wrote:
c’mon, this is ridiculous. “bob sapp would have won vs nog if that were a streetfight…”
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You miss the original point. CaliLaw meant that Bob Sapp was unable to plant him fully on his head pile driver like because it’s not allowed by the rules. If you see the fight, that was an awkward pile driver, and he just sort of pancaked him face first on the mat as opposed to a Randleman-style piledriver.
Just noting the difference, I’ve already expressed my opinion on Bob Sapp early in the thread.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
JoeyDestroy wrote:
c’mon, this is ridiculous. “bob sapp would have won vs nog if that were a streetfight…”
You miss the original point. CaliLaw meant that Bob Sapp was unable to plant him fully on his head pile driver like because it’s not allowed by the rules. If you see the fight, that was an awkward pile driver, and he just sort of pancaked him face first on the mat as opposed to a Randleman-style piledriver.
Just noting the difference, I’ve already expressed my opinion on Bob Sapp early in the thread.[/quote]
He slammed him the only way he was able. Even if he dropped him on his head, it probably would not have ended any differently. Have you seen the randleman fedor fight? I have seen many people dropped on thier heads in wrestling.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
JoeyDestroy wrote:
c’mon, this is ridiculous. “bob sapp would have won vs nog if that were a streetfight…”
You miss the original point. CaliLaw meant that Bob Sapp was unable to plant him fully on his head pile driver like because it’s not allowed by the rules. If you see the fight, that was an awkward pile driver, and he just sort of pancaked him face first on the mat as opposed to a Randleman-style piledriver.
Just noting the difference, I’ve already expressed my opinion on Bob Sapp early in the thread.
He slammed him the only way he was able. Even if he dropped him on his head, it probably would not have ended any differently. Have you seen the randleman fedor fight? I have seen many people dropped on thier heads in wrestling.[/quote]
Yes, I’ve seen the fight. And yeah, I’ve seen people dropped on their heads in many combat sports.
Let’s not pretend that it’s not something that can potentially KO someone. That said, I really don’t care to argue the what if’s in this way. I believe Bob Sapp could have beaten Nog regardless of the slam, but he didn’t, so that’s the end of the story.
He basically gets paid to get his ass kicked, he has no need to train other then maybe lift to keep his size. He doesn’t give a fuck about winning it seems, as long as he gets paid. And well he is making money, he gets commercials, and he gets tons of fights.
The one thing I hate about him is that random joes who go to MMA training thinking they can kick every 300lb monsters ass at 150lbs cause they train a bit. That is absolutely bullshit and a lot of them could end up dead if they try to mess with someone twice their size. And the reasons for their logic is bob sapp.
He had no business being in the ring with a lot of the guys he fought, and I’ll be damned if he didn’t win a few anyway. He gets my respect for that.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
His most recent fight…
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Wow, he laid down like a woman. I guess he doesn’t like getting hit by guys close to his size.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
I definitely have to watch youtube fights of Hoost again because I remember one of the slugfest ending with bob sapp not being able to fight anymore and Ernesto looking around like “How’d I lose?” Sapp had cracked ribs, hand and could barely walk.
Sapp still deserves credit, about as much as kimbo both those guys were heavy street fighters who did pretty good compared to their competition that fought all their life. It seems to be easier done for heavy weights.
I will definitely disagree with you in that Kimbo deserves credit, but I guess it’s a trivial matter to argue over. Maybe when he beats someone with a winning record and puts his skin on the line against world class competition like Sapp did.[/quote]
He’s been a professional for what a year? Give him 5+ like Bobb Sapp. Although it looks like he might be leaning towards acting.
Kimbo is technique wise lightyears ahead of Sapp. And so is Nortje. If you look at their match it becomes apparent that Sapp is a beginner, albeit a very strong and massive one.
His performance has zero to do with martial arts. He shouldn’t be in the ring nor should a serious fan cheer such a kind of spectacle.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Kimbo is technique wise lightyears ahead of Sapp. And so is Nortje. If you look at their match it becomes apparent that Sapp is a beginner, albeit a very strong and massive one.
His performance has zero to do with martial arts. He shouldn’t be in the ring nor should a serious fan cheer such a kind of spectacle.
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lol at the arrogance.
It just shows how little you know of boxing, wrestling and kicking.
If you throw a gorilla in there and he will beat the champ, does that mean the gorilla is the greatest K1 fighter ever?
From memory, Hoost weighed around 105 KGs in their first bout, while Sapp came close to 180.
You cannot proclaim that bizarre incident a sport when basics like weight classes get distorted like that.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It just shows how little you know of boxing, wrestling and kicking.
If you throw a gorilla in there and he will beat the champ, does that mean the gorilla is the greatest K1 fighter ever?
From memory, Hoost weighed around 105 KGs in their first bout, while Sapp came close to 180.
You cannot proclaim that bizarre incident a sport when basics like weight classes get distorted like that. [/quote]
You are naive and arrogant. Circus side show fights sell. They always have. The whole of modern combat sports is based on them. To say who and who does not belong n the ring is incredibly arrogant.
Bob Sapp brings in money. Bob Sapp has put money in many fighters pockets.
His skills are lacking but that does not change anything. If he wants to fight and people want to pay to watch who are you to say he shouldn’t?
You are less accomplished than he.
This is not the circus and entertainment forum. We discuss fights, fighters and training.
The reason why we discuss threads like “100 pandas vs a mexican” usually go to the “Get a Life” subforum.
And the money argument is bogus.
And of course I’m less money-and-bench press-accomplished, but at least I know I’ll never ever be a money whore and feed racial clichees like Sapp.