What have Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Mariusz Pudzianowski and Bobby Lashley in common?
Their msucles are not just for curling, they act as some sort of genius PR stratagem.
A kind of Schwarzenegger-effect, where huge ego and initial success are just two thirds of an equation that, when complimented by bulging pectorials, strikes divine awe in so many people.
I say if Brock’d be just as technically sound but instead five inches taller at the same weight, it would be less heated in some discussion panels.
And just as Overeem’s fanbase started to explode exponentially, the moment he took that wonderfully anabolic “horsemeat haunch” into his mouth, Lashley is regarded as future champion material even though he has had a handful of fights against mixed adversaries.
Let’s mention the polish “Pyton” here, too because you can already read he’ll be the only one to successfully challenge Lesnar. Or Lashley, of course.
It’ll be interesting to see how loyal the disciples will remain to their meaty idol when the first dents (please, Mr. Carwin) shall appear.
I like Overeem since I saw him in 2 hot 2 handle. I like his style, and can relate to his strengths and his weaknesses.
But you cannot deny how his market value rose since he bulked up.
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.
As much as purists may want to deny it, MMA is still and always will, be influenced by showmanship and “bigger than life” characters, much like professional wrestling.
Of course it’s good marketing… but at the same time, Jeff Monson will never be a true household name despite him being very muscular - his style just isn’t exciting and he has limited charisma. Lesnar (and Overeem actually, his wars of words with the likes of Cro Cop, Hari and Bonjasky were all amusing) are both quite marketable personalities and fighting styles too.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.[/quote]
And he didn’t deserve a shot because he hasn’t fought in MMA for years? When you beat the champ like he did and beat the crap out of the guy that beat you for your only loss, the previous record is moot. Really, who deserved a shot before he got Couture and where are those deserving people now so that they can dethorne him?
There are plenty of muscular fighters that no one gives a fuck about. The reason I give a fuck about Overeem is that he is a monster who beat the fuck out of Badr Hari and Peter Aerts. The reason I give a fuck about Brock Lesnar was a phenomenal collegiate wrestler and obviously has the power to level people.
I care about Pudz because he is a beast and a badass, but I am really more interested in him as a freakshow.
[quote]idowhatican wrote:
Anabolic simply means muscle building, or tissue building. It does not have to be a reference to anabolic-androgenic steroids.[/quote]
Regardless, that he picked Lesnar and Overeem in particular, could influence someone to think he meant the other connotation.
[quote]undesired08 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.
And he didn’t deserve a shot because he hasn’t fought in MMA for years? When you beat the champ like he did and beat the crap out of the guy that beat you for your only loss, the previous record is moot. Really, who deserved a shot before he got Couture and where are those deserving people now so that they can dethorne him?[/quote]
What have Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Mariusz Pudzianowski and Bobby Lashley in common?
Their msucles are not just for curling, they act as some sort of genius PR stratagem.
A kind of Schwarzenegger-effect, where huge ego and initial success are just two thirds of an equation that, when complimented by bulging pectorials, strikes divine awe in so many people.
I say if Brock’d be just as technically sound but instead five inches taller at the same weight, it would be less heated in some discussion panels.
And just as Overeem’s fanbase started to explode exponentially, the moment he took that wonderfully anabolic “horsemeat haunch” into his mouth, Lashley is regarded as future champion material even though he has had a handful of fights against mixed adversaries.
Let’s mention the polish “Pyton” here, too because you can already read he’ll be the only one to successfully challenge Lesnar. Or Lashley, of course.
It’ll be interesting to see how loyal the disciples will remain to their meaty idol when the first dents (please, Mr. Carwin) shall appear. [/quote]
Eh. It’s a vicarious thing. The more someone looks like a warrior the more fans are likely to pay attention, even long after the person loses relevance.
Although I would’ve watched Shamrock/Lashley. Ken and his damn sauce.
[quote]drewh wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.
And he didn’t deserve a shot because he hasn’t fought in MMA for years? When you beat the champ like he did and beat the crap out of the guy that beat you for your only loss, the previous record is moot. Really, who deserved a shot before he got Couture and where are those deserving people now so that they can dethorne him?
The interim champ maybe? [/quote]
Nog would have been beaten half to death. What it comes down to is money and who can put asses in seats. White saw a HUGE pay day and jumped on it. And, imo, it did pay off. If the champ doesn’t want to fight anyone but the new kid on the block, what do you do? Make it happen, can clean up sounds like the logical choice.
[quote]undesired08 wrote:
drewh wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.
And he didn’t deserve a shot because he hasn’t fought in MMA for years? When you beat the champ like he did and beat the crap out of the guy that beat you for your only loss, the previous record is moot. Really, who deserved a shot before he got Couture and where are those deserving people now so that they can dethrone him?
The interim champ maybe?
What it comes down to is money and who can put asses in seats. White saw a HUGE pay day and jumped on it.
[/quote]
So now you change your tone and realize it was about Lesnar’s being a money draw,not his actual earning of a title shot? Typical. Nog vs. Couture proved to be an excellent fight…which should of happened before Lesnar/Couture. Lot’s of deserving fights before Lesnar/Couture…but money is the name of the game. You knew this,yet you commented as if that wasn’t a bigger factor in Lesnar’s title shot…come on,dude.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
drewh wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lesnar is proven, but was 2-1 when he got his shot at the title. That speaks for itself.
And he didn’t deserve a shot because he hasn’t fought in MMA for years? When you beat the champ like he did and beat the crap out of the guy that beat you for your only loss, the previous record is moot. Really, who deserved a shot before he got Couture and where are those deserving people now so that they can dethrone him?
The interim champ maybe?
What it comes down to is money and who can put asses in seats. White saw a HUGE pay day and jumped on it.
So now you change your tone and realize it was about Lesnar’s being a money draw,not his actual earning of a title shot? Typical. Nog vs. Couture proved to be an excellent fight…which should of happened before Lesnar/Couture. Lot’s of deserving fights before Lesnar/Couture…but money is the name of the game. You knew this,yet you commented as if that wasn’t a bigger factor in Lesnar’s title shot…come on,dude. [/quote]
That’s not accurate. Let me try to explain my point of view another way. IMO, the OP stated that due to Lesnar’s record, he didn’t deserve a shot at the title. Yes, I agree that White could have given the match to Nog instead, but money is always a factor in decision-making. The original statement was basically, due to his size he got a title shot with a 2-1 record when he should have had more fights under his belt before he got a shot. At least, that’s the way I read it. If that is not what was meant, please ignore anything I have said.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
idowhatican wrote:
Anabolic simply means muscle building, or tissue building. It does not have to be a reference to anabolic-androgenic steroids.
Regardless, that he picked Lesnar and Overeem in particular, could influence someone to think he meant the other connotation. [/quote]
Let’s say whatever it was that he injected into his veins, it was acutely anabolic.
Guys, two more examples the “Schwarzenegger effect” is very real.
Tim Sylvia was the most hated MMA champ ever.
Let’s see:
Arms: nope
Chest: nope
Abs:nope, although he had some nice flabs
Seems the “Schwarzenegger effect” has also a dark twin, the “Sylvia effect”
Who was THE cashcow in TUF? (Hint:
Some guys even wrote in a thread that’s somewhere in this forum that “he is the most in shape guy by far”.)
Was he even a good figher?
Him aside, were the fights and the show remotely watchable?
I think we know the answer.
The “Schwarzenegger effect” at it’s finest.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Guys, two more examples the “Schwarzenegger effect” is very real.
Tim Sylvia was the most hated MMA champ ever.
Let’s see:
Arms: nope
Chest: nope
Abs:nope, although he had some nice flabs
Seems the “Schwarzenegger effect” has also a dark twin, the “Sylvia effect”
[/quote]
No denying that Silvia is an ugly sum bitch, but the hate for him was also largely due to him being a very awkward, not entertaining fighter to watch.
Forrest? Rashad? Diego maybe? Can’t really think of anyone who has had more of an effect in the UFC than those 3.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
of course hes talking about kimbo… none of the people you listed fit under his description [/quote]
Yeah, I figured as much.
Kimbo’s appeal isn’t really his physique though IMO, but his persona. He’s marketed himself as a street smart, smooth talking “street fighter” who likes to bang. He’s got the gold tooth and the big grizzly beard.To most uneducated MMA fans, that’s a dream come true. Who wants to see guys just “rolling around on the ground”? They want to see Rocky 3 and Kimbo is Mr. T.