New PR's Part 2

Reed · November 15, 2013, 5:26pm

[quote]DSSG wrote:

[quote]JamieAshe23 wrote:
Ok, LoRez, humility, I agree. This is why, your bench is not close to what I saw more than one 60, yes, sixty year old man bench in an old fart center city wide competition, you benched what a fourth year old man benched who prepped for only a month.That said, what is your body weight and I will tell you your lift percentage figured just like pro judges, and tell ALL os US, Next, I saw a 55 year old woman bench more than her body weight, now I can do that same lift weighing a cr@p load more and come in second. So, body weight please?[/quote]
A few things:

I feel I should call you son now, I just don’t know why. 1 : Tell me, son, what did that GROWN MAN bench, and that woman bench who kicked your ass?

With your awful message I am not sure I can full decipher your message after six hours of homework, and an hour and a half of studying last now, so please 2: speak in English, son. Of course, we can always write in spanish if you are game for that, it’s not my first language but certainly it will be less painful for me to read.

3: Further more I am 16 years old, natural, I have long arms, I’m somewhat light, and I spend the vast majority (roughly 85-95% of my time) with school (either actually in school, doing homework, or studying). I think I do pretty damn good with those.

4: You come in here, talking shit to someone who is really fucking good in his own pond (age group), then come to say that you are not only new to lifting, but extremely weak (likely very weak in any age group). 5: I am not sure I even WANT you in the thread I made for people to share PR’s when you have posted no real personal records, and have only given people who are proud of their lifts shit.

6: You do not comprehend that I can’t just will pounds onto my lifts. Once you actually have semi respectable strength, it is hard to even get certain lifts to progress (squat and bench for me). Perhaps when you are not talking crap to people, and actually getting stronger you will learn that.

So, give me a response. I would be quite happy if you respond.

ps. I am going to go walk out 365 today, and squat it twice with bands that take 50 pounds off the very bottom to prep for a 345-350 squat next week. I bet you will never even feel that weight on your back in your life time.

DSSG[/quote]

CREATINE RAGE. Beautifully said though.

LoRez · November 15, 2013, 5:40pm

[quote]JamieAshe23 wrote:
I am new to lifting, been at it since July, but I had a PBR dead today=185 lbs.[/quote]

Congrats on the deadlift. It’s a good start.

But yeah, as the others said. Better to just play nice if you can’t, personally, back things up. And even then. This is the 2nd thing I’ve seen, including that debacle on Jake’s log.

Most people on this site can outlift you, don’t soil your reputation from the beginning.

Apoklyps · November 16, 2013, 1:31am

[quote]DSSG wrote:
six hours of homework, and an hour and a half of studying[/quote]

What kind of high school do you go to??? That’s way too intense!

I don’t spend nearly that much time on my schoolwork and I’m a 4th year biological sciences student at a pretty decent university.

Though I will admit that I picked my courses/major with the intention of having as few labs/as little work as possible. If you’re a lazy fuck who’s really good at memorizing stuff, I highly recommend a biology major (if you pick your courses carefully).

DSSG · November 16, 2013, 3:30am

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
six hours of homework, and an hour and a half of studying[/quote]

What kind of high school do you go to??? That’s way too intense!

I don’t spend nearly that much time on my schoolwork and I’m a 4th year biological sciences student at a pretty decent university.

Though I will admit that I picked my courses/major with the intention of having as few labs/as little work as possible. If you’re a lazy fuck who’s really good at memorizing stuff, I highly recommend a biology major (if you pick your courses carefully).[/quote]
I believe I mentioned earlier I am going to be going into the international baccalaureate program. International Baccalaureate - Wikipedia

The 9th, and 10th grade is preparing us for the IB program, and is making us used to the testing/standards/rules they have. They are all very high, and strict which is why the IB program is known as a very rigorous program, and is valuable for getting into a college.

Also, I’ll likely be going into a field of Physics. Chemistry is also something I would like to do, so I will probably go into one of those two.

To continue on the topic of the IB program, I will likely survive off of very little sleep. It is something that I dread, yet I want (and force myself) to do. To make the quantity of work even worse the school is going to be passing a rule on what is considered cheating. One of those things that are considered cheating is copying homework, and with enough offenses I will lose the chance to get a diploma from the IB program.

As you can tell, school is rough for me. I am looking forward to my breaks so I can feel better, and take somewhat of a break mentally.

Apoklyps · November 16, 2013, 1:32pm

I did full IB.

Don’t take it too seriously. It’s useful for getting into schools in different countries, but they oversold it. TBH, I think it’s one reason (but definitely not the only one) why I had a shitty high school experience. The only thing I got out of it that was somewhat useful was a total exemption from university English courses.

And university’s a different sort of beast altogether. There’s not really any high school program that can truly prepare you because it’s just that different.

You didn’t hear it from me, but copying homework without making it look like you’re copying is an art form. A very useful art form. Especially in uni. Make friends in every class. I remember a few of my teachers in IB saying that what IB really teaches us is how to cheat effectively.

Apoklyps · November 17, 2013, 9:13am

Okay, time for an update: meet PRs!

Well, I’m not sure if this really counts since today was my first meet (IPF rules), so therefore anything I do is a meet PR. Whatever. Here’s what I did:

Squat:
1)150kg - easy, but my squat wasn’t in the groove today. I stepped onto the platform and totally blanked out. No cues, just playing it by feel. Not so good for squatting, which is the lift I find to be the most difficult from a technical standpoint. Form went out the window. 3 whites.
2)165kg - one hell of a grinder. I paused for a few seconds at my sticking point, but finished the lift. 3 whites.
3)170kg - I’ve done this before, but I wasn’t sure if I was going to get this. I didn’t.

Bench:
1)100kg - my form was great today. Dead easy. 3 whites.
2)102.5kg - FUCK! So pissed at myself. I forgot to tell them my second attempt in time (should’ve been 110kg), so I got 102.5kg. Was angry. Really easy. 3 whites.
3)110kg - Still really easy. Everybody watching reckons I could’ve got 5kg more. I’m rather sure I could have too, even though that would be a PR. That would have been my 3rd if I hadn’t missed my 2nd like the moron I am. 3 whites.

Deadlift:
1)190kg - deads are funny. Sometimes light weights feel heavier than they should, but once you work your way up to heavier weights it feels light. Still, deads are by far my most consistent lift. Form was really dialed in today. 190kg didn’t feel as easy as I expected it to, but it was still very solid. 3 whites.
2)192.5kg - MOTHERFUCKING CUNT!!! I missed handing in my 2nd attempt again!!! That’s full retard mode on another level. I think I’m officially the dumbest person in the meet. Planned 2nd attempt was 210kg. Was seething with rage. Ripped it off the ground like it was made of paper. 3 whites.
3)220kg - had to go a bit more conservative on my 3rd because I wasn’t sure how far I could push my deads today. This still tied an old PR, but with a big difference. My old PR was borderline legal and very difficult, requiring 2 tries for me to get it. This one was really fucking easy. Everybody who watched said I pulled it fast and aggressively. I’m rather sure I could hit 230kg (which would’ve been a provincial record for the jrs) if I hadn’t been a moron on my 2nd attempt.

Overall performance:
Going 8/9 ain’t bad at all. I feel like, despite my dumbassery, I picked my attempts smartly by taking 3rd attempts that were well within my capabilities. Unfortunately, my stupidity meant I missed out on 2/3 of my goals at the meet. I made my goal of beating my friend in the same weight class (83kg), but missed out on my goal of a 500kg total. I hit 495kg, but it hurts to think that the extra 5kg could’ve easily come from my bench or deadlift. I also missed my shot at a provincial deadlift record (230kg), a goal that I feel was also reasonable for me. Surprisingly, though, I got first in my weight class, despite men’s 83kg obviously being one of the biggest classes. That was a pleasant surprise for my first meet. I’m pretty sure my total is good enough to qualify me for provincials. If I go to provincials, I should be able to bring my total up to the level required for nationals by that time.

Also made a fool of myself by having (and winning might I add) a “stylish” bench press competition with my friend. That was a lot of fun.

Oh yeah, I weighed in at 81.2kg. If anyone’s interested, I might post whatever vids I’ve got, but I’m a lazy and forgetful motherfucker, so no guarantees

TL;DR: I missed out by a hair on my goals for no reason other than being dumb. I performed generally well, though, and was happy with how it went. Even though I’m still kicking myself for those boneheaded mistakes (like really??? Who misses handing in a 2nd attempt TWICE?), I think this was a great learning experience and will do much better next time (winning didn’t hurt either lol). I was surprised to find out how much I enjoyed competing. I always figured that I’d be one of those guys who likes lifting a lot, but doesn’t care to compete so much, but I found I really enjoyed it. I’ll definitely do it again. I’ll do the same meet next year. I want to add 100lbs to my deadlift by that time. I’d like it to be a solid 600lbs by the end of next year.

Reed · November 17, 2013, 10:17pm

315 for 21 reps @ 210 body weight

flipcollar · November 18, 2013, 8:44pm

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I did full IB.

Don’t take it too seriously. It’s useful for getting into schools in different countries, but they oversold it. TBH, I think it’s one reason (but definitely not the only one) why I had a shitty high school experience. The only thing I got out of it that was somewhat useful was a total exemption from university English courses.

And university’s a different sort of beast altogether. There’s not really any high school program that can truly prepare you because it’s just that different.

You didn’t hear it from me, but copying homework without making it look like you’re copying is an art form. A very useful art form. Especially in uni. Make friends in every class. I remember a few of my teachers in IB saying that what IB really teaches us is how to cheat effectively.[/quote]

PRs of 305 deadlift, 405 squat, and 505 deadlift. 195 strict press. But those aren’t important.

Talking about IB is important.

I was full IB in high school. I’m 30 now. Part of Apok’s advice is good, part of it is terrible. The positives of IB come almost entirely from the competitive experience. The testing at the end is almost irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if you can test out of a few lower level University classes, since you’re probably getting a good chunk of College paid for anyway. Enjoy the easy University classes, they’ll boost your GPA. As long as you pay attention to becoming a well-rounded person in high school, and don’t focus ALL your energy into IB, you’ll be fine.

I couldn’t disagree more with Apoc on the cheating thing, and it forces me to assume that Apoc is not yet in ‘the real world’, or has been for a limited amount of time at best. Is this correct? DON’T CHEAT. Don’t do it. Drop IB if it forces you to cheat. Don’t cheat in College. It’s a poor way to develop your character, and you will form habits that will be hard to break when you leave your University. If I could do it over again, I would never, ever cheat on a single fucking thing. Your IB bubble that embraces cheating does not hold up when you leave that bubble.

furo · November 18, 2013, 8:51pm

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

PRs of 305 deadlift, 405 squat, and 505 deadlift. 195 strict press. But those aren’t important. [/quote]

Great job! Get 10lbs more on the strict press and that will really please my OCD haha.

flipcollar · November 18, 2013, 10:21pm

[quote]furo wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

PRs of 305 deadlift, 405 squat, and 505 deadlift. 195 strict press. But those aren’t important. [/quote]

Great job! Get 10lbs more on the strict press and that will really please my OCD haha.
[/quote]

what’s funny is those are all absolute maxes that I’ve hit. Maybe mental blocks. I’ve tried 315 on bench so many fucking times you wouldn’t believe it. The strict press took 3 attempts in one session, stalled at the mid point the first 2 tries. The squat felt like it was going to crush me, as it was a 40 lb PR. Deadlift is crazy, my deadlift strength can vary quite a bit from session to session.

Side note, squats and deadlifts are belt only, the other 2 lifts are super-raw, lol.

Chris87 · November 19, 2013, 1:31am

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I did full IB.

Don’t take it too seriously. It’s useful for getting into schools in different countries, but they oversold it. TBH, I think it’s one reason (but definitely not the only one) why I had a shitty high school experience. The only thing I got out of it that was somewhat useful was a total exemption from university English courses.

And university’s a different sort of beast altogether. There’s not really any high school program that can truly prepare you because it’s just that different.

You didn’t hear it from me, but copying homework without making it look like you’re copying is an art form. A very useful art form. Especially in uni. Make friends in every class. I remember a few of my teachers in IB saying that what IB really teaches us is how to cheat effectively.[/quote]

PRs of 305 deadlift, 405 squat, and 505 deadlift. 195 strict press. But those aren’t important.

Talking about IB is important.

I was full IB in high school. I’m 30 now. Part of Apok’s advice is good, part of it is terrible. The positives of IB come almost entirely from the competitive experience. The testing at the end is almost irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if you can test out of a few lower level University classes, since you’re probably getting a good chunk of College paid for anyway. Enjoy the easy University classes, they’ll boost your GPA. As long as you pay attention to becoming a well-rounded person in high school, and don’t focus ALL your energy into IB, you’ll be fine.

I couldn’t disagree more with Apoc on the cheating thing, and it forces me to assume that Apoc is not yet in ‘the real world’, or has been for a limited amount of time at best. Is this correct? DON’T CHEAT. Don’t do it. Drop IB if it forces you to cheat. Don’t cheat in College. It’s a poor way to develop your character, and you will form habits that will be hard to break when you leave your University. If I could do it over again, I would never, ever cheat on a single fucking thing. Your IB bubble that embraces cheating does not hold up when you leave that bubble.[/quote]

I agree on the whole don’t cheat thing.

I’m studying exercise science with the plan of going to physical therapy school after I graduate. About 2/3’s of the people in my major are also planning on the same thing, so there’s a lot of competition.

I’ll shoot the shit with some of the people in my classes if I get there early, we talk about our projects, exams, etc. and the people who always talk about cheating have lower grades than I do. Much lower.

Apoklyps · November 19, 2013, 4:16am

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Talking about IB is important.

I was full IB in high school. I’m 30 now. Part of Apok’s advice is good, part of it is terrible. The positives of IB come almost entirely from the competitive experience. The testing at the end is almost irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if you can test out of a few lower level University classes, since you’re probably getting a good chunk of College paid for anyway. Enjoy the easy University classes, they’ll boost your GPA. As long as you pay attention to becoming a well-rounded person in high school, and don’t focus ALL your energy into IB, you’ll be fine.

I couldn’t disagree more with Apoc on the cheating thing, and it forces me to assume that Apoc is not yet in ‘the real world’, or has been for a limited amount of time at best. Is this correct? DON’T CHEAT. Don’t do it. Drop IB if it forces you to cheat. Don’t cheat in College. It’s a poor way to develop your character, and you will form habits that will be hard to break when you leave your University. If I could do it over again, I would never, ever cheat on a single fucking thing. Your IB bubble that embraces cheating does not hold up when you leave that bubble.[/quote]

No, you’re misinterpreting my position here.

Nowhere did I advise anyone to embrace cheating or to take every opportunity to cut corners. Simply do what has to be done to get the results that you need. I copy as little as possible. Why? Because it’s taking an unnecessary risk. However, sometimes we must take calculated risks if we are to achieve our goals. In this instance we should have the skills and knowledge to reduce the degree of risk to an acceptable level if we are required to take the risk.

I’m afraid what you don’t understand is what is required of pre-meds seeking admission to top tier medical schools in Canada (which are very difficult because they place a much heavier emphasis on cGPA than those in the USA). I am not in my classes to learn, I am in my classes to succeed. Do I enjoy learning? Yes, sometimes. I take no unnecessary risks, and the ones I do take have an infinitesimally small chance of suffering consequences. I have never cheated on a test or anything of that scale, but I do what I have to do in order to get where I want to be. If you consider that a bad attitude towards academics/life, then tough. Because it’s been working damn well for me.

Oh yes, and congrats on the PRs. Those are some solid numbers you’re posting.

Anyway, onto my PRs of the day:

Was really surprised to hit so many rep PRs in everything right after peaking for a meet.

Competition style bench: 85kg x 10
Strict press: 52.5kg x 10 (not bad after doing a rep out set on bench)
Chin-ups (strict): One set of 9 at BW+5kgs, and 4 more sets of 8
Alt DB curls: 45lbs x 10

flipcollar · November 19, 2013, 4:17pm

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Talking about IB is important.

I was full IB in high school. I’m 30 now. Part of Apok’s advice is good, part of it is terrible. The positives of IB come almost entirely from the competitive experience. The testing at the end is almost irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if you can test out of a few lower level University classes, since you’re probably getting a good chunk of College paid for anyway. Enjoy the easy University classes, they’ll boost your GPA. As long as you pay attention to becoming a well-rounded person in high school, and don’t focus ALL your energy into IB, you’ll be fine.

I couldn’t disagree more with Apoc on the cheating thing, and it forces me to assume that Apoc is not yet in ‘the real world’, or has been for a limited amount of time at best. Is this correct? DON’T CHEAT. Don’t do it. Drop IB if it forces you to cheat. Don’t cheat in College. It’s a poor way to develop your character, and you will form habits that will be hard to break when you leave your University. If I could do it over again, I would never, ever cheat on a single fucking thing. Your IB bubble that embraces cheating does not hold up when you leave that bubble.[/quote]

No, you’re misinterpreting my position here.

Nowhere did I advise anyone to embrace cheating or to take every opportunity to cut corners. Simply do what has to be done to get the results that you need. I copy as little as possible. Why? Because it’s taking an unnecessary risk. However, sometimes we must take calculated risks if we are to achieve our goals. In this instance we should have the skills and knowledge to reduce the degree of risk to an acceptable level if we are required to take the risk.

I’m afraid what you don’t understand is what is required of pre-meds seeking admission to top tier medical schools in Canada (which are very difficult because they place a much heavier emphasis on cGPA than those in the USA). I am not in my classes to learn, I am in my classes to succeed. Do I enjoy learning? Yes, sometimes. I take no unnecessary risks, and the ones I do take have an infinitesimally small chance of suffering consequences. I have never cheated on a test or anything of that scale, but I do what I have to do in order to get where I want to be. If you consider that a bad attitude towards academics/life, then tough. Because it’s been working damn well for me.
[/quote]

What you mean is that it has worked damn well for you SO FAR. You measure success differently than I do. lol @ copying ‘as little as possible.’ What a fucking joke. As little as possible is not at all. You compromise a solid ethical foundation in favor of getting ahead in life. Worldly accomplishments mean nothing to me if they are achieved through dishonest means.

But of course, that’s just my opinion, man.

LoRez · November 19, 2013, 5:04pm

[quote]Reed wrote:
315 for 21 reps @ 210 body weight

[/quote]

That’s awesome. Congratulations.

MaazerSmiit · November 19, 2013, 5:53pm

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
Strict press: 52.5kg x 10 [/quote]

Came here with a press PR, and someone’s already posted the exact same numbers I hit!

1 rep and 2.5kg PR for me

Silyak · November 19, 2013, 6:02pm

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Talking about IB is important.

I was full IB in high school. I’m 30 now. Part of Apok’s advice is good, part of it is terrible. The positives of IB come almost entirely from the competitive experience. The testing at the end is almost irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if you can test out of a few lower level University classes, since you’re probably getting a good chunk of College paid for anyway. Enjoy the easy University classes, they’ll boost your GPA. As long as you pay attention to becoming a well-rounded person in high school, and don’t focus ALL your energy into IB, you’ll be fine.

I couldn’t disagree more with Apoc on the cheating thing, and it forces me to assume that Apoc is not yet in ‘the real world’, or has been for a limited amount of time at best. Is this correct? DON’T CHEAT. Don’t do it. Drop IB if it forces you to cheat. Don’t cheat in College. It’s a poor way to develop your character, and you will form habits that will be hard to break when you leave your University. If I could do it over again, I would never, ever cheat on a single fucking thing. Your IB bubble that embraces cheating does not hold up when you leave that bubble.[/quote]

No, you’re misinterpreting my position here.

Nowhere did I advise anyone to embrace cheating or to take every opportunity to cut corners. Simply do what has to be done to get the results that you need. I copy as little as possible. Why? Because it’s taking an unnecessary risk. However, sometimes we must take calculated risks if we are to achieve our goals. In this instance we should have the skills and knowledge to reduce the degree of risk to an acceptable level if we are required to take the risk.

I’m afraid what you don’t understand is what is required of pre-meds seeking admission to top tier medical schools in Canada (which are very difficult because they place a much heavier emphasis on cGPA than those in the USA). I am not in my classes to learn, I am in my classes to succeed. Do I enjoy learning? Yes, sometimes. I take no unnecessary risks, and the ones I do take have an infinitesimally small chance of suffering consequences. I have never cheated on a test or anything of that scale, but I do what I have to do in order to get where I want to be. If you consider that a bad attitude towards academics/life, then tough. Because it’s been working damn well for me.

Oh yes, and congrats on the PRs. Those are some solid numbers you’re posting.

Anyway, onto my PRs of the day:

Was really surprised to hit so many rep PRs in everything right after peaking for a meet.

Competition style bench: 85kg x 10
Strict press: 52.5kg x 10 (not bad after doing a rep out set on bench)
Chin-ups (strict): One set of 9 at BW+5kgs, and 4 more sets of 8
Alt DB curls: 45lbs x 10[/quote]

What was it that Winston Churchill said about prostitutes and haggling about the price? Nobody is misinterpreting your position. You just seem to be unusually good at lying to yourself.

Sadly, as universities become more about a piece of paper to get your foot in the door and less about actually learning how to be useful, this sort of thing becomes more widespread. I had hoped that certain careers like medicine and STEM had remained a little cleaner since you would expect that the things you learn in school will actually be important for performing your job. It’s interesting to see the attitudes that are out there.

LoRez · November 19, 2013, 6:19pm

[quote]Silyak wrote:
Sadly, as universities become more about a piece of paper to get your foot in the door and less about actually learning how to be useful, this sort of thing becomes more widespread. I had hoped that certain careers like medicine and STEM had remained a little cleaner since you would expect that the things you learn in school will actually be important for performing your job. It’s interesting to see the attitudes that are out there. [/quote]

I bet if you read correspondence from 100 years ago, they were saying the same things.

Eventually it all balances out. Those who cheat and copy will always be second rate compared to those who are actually successful and know what they’re doing.

magick · November 19, 2013, 7:15pm

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Eventually it all balances out. Those who cheat and copy will always be second rate compared to those who are actually successful and know what they’re doing.[/quote]

I’ve noticed that there are a couple of people out there in life-

The true bona-fide geniuses. Capable of mastering the material with little to no study because they understand the material that well on their first look.

The smart folks. Capable of mastering the material with a good bit of study because they need to supplement class/home-work with extra study time/maybe clarification from prof. at office hours to make sure they truly get the material.

The average folks. Capable of mastering the material with a lot of study. The class and home-work alone aren’t enough for them to fully understand the material most of the time, and so they need to either visit office hours to get more teaching or ask in-depth questions to people who understand the material. Studying alone may not always be productive, depending on the subject matter and its difficulty.

The idiots. Either just plain incapable of mastering the material, or so much time needs to be involved that it just becomes unproductive at a point.

But all of these require people to do their work. You need to put in productive time to actually learn the material. If you copy home-work because you already know the stuff and don’t need to spend time doing it, then fine (though I may question why you can’t do it quickly if it’s something that you already know very well). But that still requires you to know the material enough that doing the work isn’t productive.

What I’ve learned through failing the LSAT and doing mediocre work throughout academia is that it’s not only a matter of putting time in, but quality time. While you may be putting in the hours, they become pointless if you’re not using them productive or properly. You need proper guidance to teach you how to do things properly.

There’s so many people who never live up to their potential because they’re allergic to work and getting proper learning. You can be the greatest fucking genius in the world, but if you don’t put in the work you’ll never learn the material in the first place and can’t do anything productive. The only difference is in the amount of work that you need to put in.

flipcollar · November 19, 2013, 9:03pm

[quote]magick wrote: