[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
esh2424 wrote:
Have there been any negative effects so far?
I now have three arms.
Yeah, but I bet they’re all huge -lol
S
and his hair must be longer than ever.
Trust me, you don’t wanna see me with long hair… Krusty the Klown anybody?![/quote]
Haha, got to love CT
And 20,000 IU’s has to be a typo!?
[quote]brandon76 wrote:
Thibs, I know when you go big…you go big. The 20,000IU of Vite D? Is that a typo? [/quote]
It’s a loading dose for 1-2 weeks, then I drop down to 5000 - 10 000mg.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Just in case anyone doubted he was a full blooded Canadian -lol
S
[/quote]
I actually turned down sex to finish a hockey game!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Just in case anyone doubted he was a full blooded Canadian -lol
S
I actually turned down sex to finish a hockey game![/quote]
Hence the ages old question about why Canadians prefer to ‘do it’ doggy style 
(so they can both watch the hockey game)
S
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
esh2424 wrote:
Have there been any negative effects so far?
I now have three arms.
Yeah, but I bet they’re all huge -lol
S
and his hair must be longer than ever.
Trust me, you don’t wanna see me with long hair… Krusty the Klown anybody?![/quote]
Haha. I had just been looking at your old “Beast Evolves” article from years ago, and thought when I saw your hair that the bald head works better for you. 
ok, so as far as timing goes for new protocol, does this suffice?
-90: Alpha-GPC
-45: 2 FINiBARs
-15: Start sipping the 3 scoops of Anaconda and MAG-10
-0: workout starts, should be halfway done with big jug 3 scoops each
during workout: other half of big ass jug
-15: 2 scoops regular whey protein
when can you eat a solid P+F meal? +90 like usual or something different?
also, i am on low carbs right now, and i have been doing 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel and 1 scoop Surge Recovery, i am guessing that with this new protocol info, i should be using all Surge Workout Fuel from now on cus the ingredients are more beneficial?
CT,
I have a question (well bunch of) regarding the last protocol before this one and this one:
Since I haven’t tried the protocol which includes (SWF, SR, Anaconda, and MAG-10 post), I was thinking of transitioning between the last protocol in the offseason (higher carb protocol), and lower carb protocol (this one). My guess is that it would give me the benefits of the more actual protocol vs the last before it, and at the same time adjusting diet levels to the deficit needed to keep losing fat.
You outlined the removal of Finibar followed by the removal of Surge Recovery in Kevin Nobert’s prep (congratulations BTW), which would leave the possibility that on his last days he was indeed using something similar to this protocol So:
-45 FINiBARs
-30 SWF
-15 SR
During: Anaconda.
+60: Mag protein
Adjustment 1:
-30 SWF
-15 SR
During: Anaconda
+60: Mag protein
*Which could be a substitute for the FINiBARs that were removed?
Adjustment 2:
-30 SWF
During: Anaconda
+60 Mag protein
*Which could be the substitute for the removal of Surge Recovery?
Note: didn’t include Alpha-GPC, but I guess it can be a staple to any peri-workout protocol (cool to see the liquid version with more content).
Thanks in advance.
Question is, does the third one measure at least 18"? If so, then that’s cool.
DH
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
esh2424 wrote:
Have there been any negative effects so far?
I now have three arms. [/quote]
They are probably delaying the release of the new products until they clear the old inventory out. If MAG-10 and Anaconda do what Surge and Surge Workout Fuel do they don’t want to have that stuff sit on the shelf when the new stuff hits the market.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Seems like w/o the FINiBARs this could be an excellent low carb version of the protocol.
Edit: I would add something prior, my guess is SWF.
Correct… you only need 20-25g of carbs to raise insulin levels.
I thought SWF was low-moderate GI…wouldn’t Surge Recovery be more efficient?
No, rice oligodextrin and palatinose have a much better partitioning effect and keep blood sugar levels more stable while still producing an elevation in insulin.[/quote]
So putting the protocol aside 2 FINiBARs would raise insulin as much as Surge Recovery?
What do you feel about replacing the FINiBARs with Surge Workout Fuel in the new protocol?
[quote]walleye49 wrote:
They are probably delaying the release of the new products until they clear the old inventory out. If MAG-10 and Anaconda do what Surge and Surge Workout Fuel do they don’t want to have that stuff sit on the shelf when the new stuff hits the market.
[/quote]
they’re not gonna get rid of the Surge brothers
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Seems like w/o the FINiBARs this could be an excellent low carb version of the protocol.
Edit: I would add something prior, my guess is SWF.
Correct… you only need 20-25g of carbs to raise insulin levels.
I thought SWF was low-moderate GI…wouldn’t Surge Recovery be more efficient?
No, rice oligodextrin and palatinose have a much better partitioning effect and keep blood sugar levels more stable while still producing an elevation in insulin.
So putting the protocol aside 2 FINiBARs would raise insulin as much as Surge Recovery?[/quote] I’m not CT but: Not at all. Look at the ingredients. Surge is made to boost insulin dramatically, while finibars are designed to be sustained fuel.
[quote]What do you feel about replacing the FINiBARs with Surge Workout Fuel in the new protocol?[/quote] Not the same at all. There’s no citrulline malate or beta-alanine (and fewer electrolytes) in FINiBARs so they will not serve the purpose of Surge Workout Fuel whatsoever.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
they’re not gonna get rid of the Surge brothers[/quote]
Who are the Surge Brothers?
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
they’re not gonna get rid of the Surge brothers
Who are the Surge Brothers?[/quote]
Surge Recovery and Surge Workout Fuel
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
BulletproofTiger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
they’re not gonna get rid of the Surge brothers
Who are the Surge Brothers?
Surge Recovery and Surge Workout Fuel ;)[/quote]
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
they’re not gonna get rid of the Surge brothers[/quote]
CT,
Can you rank the effectiveness of the 3 protocols?
Let’s use the new one as 100% effectiveness, how do the old protocol and then the non-Anaconda/MAG-10 Protein version of the old protocol compare to it?
Well i am not Thibs but i can attest with blood work that recommended d3 supplementation levels are pathetic. I work with a orthomolecular specialist, i have all my nutrient levels examined and adjusted about 4 times per year (long story).
Anyway, one thing we found was with my particualr body chemistry it required 15000 iu per day to put me in mid range and 20000iu per day put me at 72 which is about perfect. Totally off topic but forget what you think you know about vitamin supplementation, the only real way to know is extensive blood analysis…every individual is different.
Coach,
Just to clarify. Until MAG-10 and Anaconda are released, in your opinion the most effective protocol would be to use:
-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2 scoops WF
-15 2 scoops SR
during - sip on 20g CHY + 5g leucine
?
But then once the new products are released, in your personal opinion the new protocol has been more effective?
Thanks!
J
Overall calorie-wise, does this new protocol end up being significantly lower?
one thing I love about the current protocol is that I’m banging out like 1400 calories in that window… makes it much easier to hit calorie goals without spending the whole day going back in forth between the kitchen and dining room///