I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?[/quote]
Is there other cars beside a Ferrarri and lamborghini? Of course but a Civic will not turn in the same performance!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?
Is there other cars beside a Ferrarri and lamborghini? Of course but a Civic will not turn in the same performance![/quote]
yeah? I’ll race you around the universe, we’ll see whose car breaks down first. Yeah, I said the universe
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?
Is there other cars beside a Ferrarri and lamborghini? Of course but a Civic will not turn in the same performance!
yeah? I’ll race you around the universe, we’ll see whose car breaks down first. Yeah, I said the universe[/quote]
Fine… enjoy your lonely trip because all the girls in the universe will be hitching a ride with me!!!
Of course the old products work, but I don’t know for certain that traditional Surge will be around when I,BB comes out. You want a cheaper protocol? Try this
WO-180 a meal of chicken rice and veggies (3 hours before your)
WO-60 Alpha GPC and Granola bar and apple
WO-30 Start sipping 3 scoops Surge Recovery (Finish midway through workout)
WO+15 2 scoops Grow!.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Of course the old products work, but I don’t know for certain that traditional Surge will be around when I,BB comes out. You want a cheaper protocol? Try this
WO-180 a meal of chicken rice and veggies (3 hours before your)
WO-60 Alpha GPC and Granola bar and apple
WO-30 Start sipping 3 scoops Surge Recovery (Finish midway through workout)
WO+15 2 scoops Grow.[/quote]
The thing is that you guys are only looking at carbs and protein. This is about 25% of the reason why the protocol works. The ammonia scavenging, hydrating and ATP replenishing substances are actually even more important then the carbs and protein.
It’s kinda like looking at McD’s chicken nuggest and say that it’s optimal food because it is perfectly balanced (33% fat, 33% protein, 33% carbs) just like ‘The Zone diet’ advocates.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?
Is there other cars beside a Ferrarri and lamborghini? Of course but a Civic will not turn in the same performance![/quote]
McLaren F1.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I looked at some of the new protocols and they seem quite complicated requiring many supplements. Is there a simple and effective protocol with Surge Recovery,Grow!,Flameout and food, or other simple protocols? Would there be differences in the protocols depending if you are trying to bulk or cut(I am bulking)?
Is there other cars beside a Ferrarri and lamborghini? Of course but a Civic will not turn in the same performance!
McLaren F1.[/quote]
That’s like adding Alpha-GPC to Anaconda and MAG-10 
Sick mpg on the civic though.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Sick mpg on the civic though.[/quote]
Obviously 600HP will use more fuel than some 135HP toy. A 135lbs guy doing 30 pull-ups is somewhat impressive, but never as much as a behemoth deadlifting 900lbs
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster. [/quote]
Well honestly I never had any problems downing a lot of fluids (one of the reason why I stopped drinking alcohol!). Probably because I played football and rugby and was forced by my coaches to really throw down the water.
I honestly believe that drinking at least 1500ml of water (water used in your peri-workout protocol) during your session, muscle growth will be faster. Water is needed for nutrients transport and all metabolic processes.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Of course the old products work, but I don’t know for certain that traditional Surge will be around when I,BB comes out. You want a cheaper protocol? Try this
WO-180 a meal of chicken rice and veggies (3 hours before your)
WO-60 Alpha GPC and Granola bar and apple
WO-30 Start sipping 3 scoops Surge Recovery (Finish midway through workout)
WO+15 2 scoops Grow!.[/quote]
Thanks for the protocol, so the basic idea is to keep insulin high during the workout?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster.
Well honestly I never had any problems downing a lot of fluids (one of the reason why I stopped drinking alcohol!). Probably because I played football and rugby and was forced by my coaches to really throw down the water.
I honestly believe that drinking at least 1500ml of water (water used in your peri-workout protocol) during your session, muscle growth will be faster. Water is needed for nutrients transport and all metabolic processes.[/quote]
You would be terrifying on the field. What position did you play?
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster.
Well honestly I never had any problems downing a lot of fluids (one of the reason why I stopped drinking alcohol!). Probably because I played football and rugby and was forced by my coaches to really throw down the water.
I honestly believe that drinking at least 1500ml of water (water used in your peri-workout protocol) during your session, muscle growth will be faster. Water is needed for nutrients transport and all metabolic processes.
You would be terrifying on the field. What position did you play?[/quote]
Inside linebacker… too short though (I’m 5’8’') and I was far from being as muscular and strong as I am now. Not to mention that I didn’t become fast (ran a 4.54 ELECTRIC 40) until I switched from football to olympic lifting. Back in my playing days I would be lucky to run a 4.9
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster.
Well honestly I never had any problems downing a lot of fluids (one of the reason why I stopped drinking alcohol!). Probably because I played football and rugby and was forced by my coaches to really throw down the water.
I honestly believe that drinking at least 1500ml of water (water used in your peri-workout protocol) during your session, muscle growth will be faster. Water is needed for nutrients transport and all metabolic processes.
You would be terrifying on the field. What position did you play?
Inside linebacker… too short though (I’m 5’8’') and I was far from being as muscular and strong as I am now. Not to mention that I didn’t become fast (ran a 4.54 ELECTRIC 40) until I switched from football to olympic lifting. Back in my playing days I would be lucky to run a 4.9[/quote]
How bout for rugby? Somewhere in the forwards?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster.
Well honestly I never had any problems downing a lot of fluids (one of the reason why I stopped drinking alcohol!). Probably because I played football and rugby and was forced by my coaches to really throw down the water.
I honestly believe that drinking at least 1500ml of water (water used in your peri-workout protocol) during your session, muscle growth will be faster. Water is needed for nutrients transport and all metabolic processes.
You would be terrifying on the field. What position did you play?
Inside linebacker… too short though (I’m 5’8’') and I was far from being as muscular and strong as I am now. Not to mention that I didn’t become fast (ran a 4.54 ELECTRIC 40) until I switched from football to olympic lifting. Back in my playing days I would be lucky to run a 4.9[/quote]
Beep Test? LoL, I can jog that, and, I’m a fattie 
Thibs, can you post a more elaborate explanation of the perfect rep?
I mean, I understand the fast turnaround etc. , but, explaining the exact feelings and movements would help
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
BulletproofTiger wrote:
Of course the old products work, but I don’t know for certain that traditional Surge will be around when I,BB comes out. You want a cheaper protocol? Try this
WO-180 a meal of chicken rice and veggies (3 hours before your)
WO-60 Alpha GPC and Granola bar and apple
WO-30 Start sipping 3 scoops Surge Recovery (Finish midway through workout)
WO+15 2 scoops Grow!.
Thanks for the protocol, so the basic idea is to keep insulin high during the workout?
No problem. What i wrote above will work for you no doubt, but it’s not going to be as effective as what CT has laid out. You don’t have to take the Surge Workout Fuel but it really helps, so you might as well. Biotest stuff really isn’t that complicated actually. If you take it like CT describes, it becomes clockwork.
Does this really sounds that hard: “Right now I am using 2 FINiBARs 45 minutes prior to training, 3 scoops of Anaconda and 3 scoops of MAG-10 protein prior and during the workout (3 scoops of each total). With Alpha-GPC 90 minutes prior.” It’s only 4 supplements (obviously MAG-10 and Anaconda are not out yet, but you can take Surge Workout Fuel + Surge Recovery + CH) ← so I guess that’s 5 supplements, or you could look at it as 2 caps 90 minutes prior to workout, 2 bars 45 min prior to workout, and 2 shaker bottles full of mixture (each with a scoop each of Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, and CH). That seems pretty simple to me.[/quote]
That seems like a lot of money to be spending every month. Probably not the best but I am currently eating 1-2hrs before my workout, right before I down 10g of L-Lecuine 4:1:1, drink bunch of water during workout, then PWO I’ll take about 60b of waxy maize starch and 30g of whey isolate.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Small hijack here, but did you have sort of an adaptation period to keeping down that volume of liquid around your workouts? Seems like a killer workout with 3 liters in the breadbasket could be a recipe for disaster. [/quote]
The liquid is easy for me; downing two FINiBARs is the hard part. Those things sucks all the saliva out of my mouth, and don’t break down. You can chew for hours.
I’ve gone to taking small, pee sized bites and swallowing them like pills.
The FINiBARs have actually grown on me. I find myself taking small bites to stretch them out and actually enjoy them. 
S