My Quest For a 100kg Snatch

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

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130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

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[quote]SpeedKills wrote:
I know a weightlifter from Samoa who competed in the ‘88 Olympics as a wrestler and in 2000 as an olympic weightlifter. Also has compete in battle canoe, volleyball, etc, etc. He’s a freakin’ beast![/quote]

What is battle canoe?

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Going strong!

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Starting early is paramout to reaching elite level in our very hard sport

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[quote]BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+ [/quote]

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup

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[quote]BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+ [/quote]

How much are those guys lifting?

I’d probably front squat 140kg for a triple, maybe 145kg on a heavy day. I don’t front squat that heavy probably because I need to get stronger!

Koing

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

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I don’t know about a 160Kg Clean next year. End of the year? It depends how much training he puts in to it.

He’ll need to at least front squat whatever he wants to Clean for 3reps if he sharp technique.

Yes it will be interesting to see how he progresses :slight_smile:

Koing

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[quote]Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

I don’t know about a 160Kg Clean next year. End of the year? It depends how much training he puts in to it.

He’ll need to at least front squat whatever he wants to Clean for 3reps if he sharp technique.

Yes it will be interesting to see how he progresses :slight_smile:

Koing[/quote]

it will be very interesting to see. I mean, if he can snatch 75 w/ not so much technique and powerclean 95 like it was a toothpick, he should progress fairly quickly I say.

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup[/quote]

A 130kg front squat isn’t all that impressive for someone who’s 90kg. I did 130x3 when I was <90 and I STILL consider my front squat a mjaor, major weakpoint.

Just as a frame of reference, the top 2 Irish lifters would probably be in the 160-170kg range for singles. Both are under 22, one’s 69 and the other’s 85. The 69 guy C&J’d 135 in comp last week. 85kg guy has done 155 or there abouts I think.

One of my MAJOR gripes with how weightlifting seems to be thought by some coaches is that strength isn’t empahsised enough. I know technique is so so important, but I think once you get to a certain level the biggest gains are gonna come from technique. Why are the top guys winning?? It’s probably not because their technique is THAT much better than the lower ranks, but their strength is well ahead.

At least that’s my 2c based off what I’ve seen.

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup[/quote]

One guy is 93-95(200-210 lb.) kg and about 180 cm tall(5-11) and does 5 reps with 140 kg in training for multiple sets…he snatches 95 kg and c&j about 135(not sure).

Second lifter is also doing 140 for a few reps and he told me he squats 170 kg in back squat…I know he snatched 100 kg last competition…he is about 200 lb. and very tall 6-3 or 6-4 ft
Third one is a big guy about 250 lb. at almost 2 meter high(6-6) but he rarely does front squats …not sure what weight he uses

Fourth guy is an animal and he was second in Croatia…I think in 85 kg class…he is back squatting 210 kg for triples with amazingly fast concentric…he front squats over 150 kg ATG
There are few other lifters in my gym…dont know about their front squats cause they train at different time than me.
I remember one guy that trained a few times in my old gym…he was about 40 years old 165 lb. and 5-9 and he did 160 kg for 5 reps in front squat,but he only snatched 95 kg and c&j 110 kg.

I dont know whether those people are really strong or average for their sport,but this is what I saw.They train their front squats with more than 130 kg…so I guess its not some great result.

Also more importantly,I did triple in front squats with 120 kg,but I only did back squat 150 kg for double.There are people way more stronger than me everywhere…on my job,in my boxing gym,in my lifting gym,when I was in the army,etc.I guess 130 kg in front squat is not some great weight.

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130kg at under 200lb certainly isn’t great. I’ve done 135kg at 79kg and I’m a novice lifter who’s not even what I’d call strong.

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup[/quote]

Amigo,read more carefully.
I wrote that they warm up AND THEN start front squat session with 140 kg+.

For example,I do my snatch work then switch sometimes to front squats.I do 10-15 reps with just a barbell,then 70 kg for 5 reps,then 90 kg for a triple,then 100 kg for a triple.Thats warm-up.I go through that sets rather quickly.

Then I load the bar to 110 kg and start my front squat session.I do triples or 5-6 reps (to failure).If I feel strong I load more and more and try a new PR.
So my front squat is 110kg+.
4 lifters that I regularly train with(3 of them compete) train with 140 kg+ front squat.
Stay strong!

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[quote]Koing wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

How much are those guys lifting?

I’d probably front squat 140kg for a triple, maybe 145kg on a heavy day. I don’t front squat that heavy probably because I need to get stronger!

Koing[/quote]
sport.hrt.hr/htvsport/almanah/2007/HSA06-07_dizacki-savez.pdf
You can see Ivan Marjanovic in the 85 kg class was second in Croatia in 2006. This guy is that strongest lifter…135/155 I believe…back squat atg I saw him do 230 kg very fast concentric…this guy is really sticking out in the gym.

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Ante Vukovic,from eastern Croatia…over 105+

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
romanaz wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup

A 130kg front squat isn’t all that impressive for someone who’s 90kg. I did 130x3 when I was <90 and I STILL consider my front squat a mjaor, major weakpoint.

Just as a frame of reference, the top 2 Irish lifters would probably be in the 160-170kg range for singles. Both are under 22, one’s 69 and the other’s 85. The 69 guy C&J’d 135 in comp last week. 85kg guy has done 155 or there abouts I think.

One of my MAJOR gripes with how weightlifting seems to be thought by some coaches is that strength isn’t empahsised enough. I know technique is so so important, but I think once you get to a certain level the biggest gains are gonna come from technique. Why are the top guys winning?? It’s probably not because their technique is THAT much better than the lower ranks, but their strength is well ahead.

At least that’s my 2c based off what I’ve seen.

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Pisarenko had better technique then Taranenko, yet taranenko had the better lifts. Why? Taranenko had tremendous leg strength… aka a 380kg back squat for doubles w/ a 2 sec pause at the bottom. Pisarenko had to catch the bounce while taranenko didn’t have to. Good point.

but you do have to realize, most people at the elite level have the technique so engrained in them, that working on the subtle things is what counts.

Boevski won a lot because he had that insane leg strength too. Guy made world record weights look redicously easy.

But, for people who AREN’T trained from age 12 or so, you NEED to engrain that technique. Its easier to gain strength then technique imo.

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
Hanley wrote:
romanaz wrote:
BALBO wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Koing wrote:
romanaz wrote:
no flexibility issues at all, he squats ass to heels. only problem is he had that hernia operation 2 months ago or so.

He should go far when he picks up the technique to a point where it is nearly automatic and he can use all of his strength :stuck_out_tongue:

Should at least start C&J his 5RM sometime and start working towards his 3RM front squat :smiley:

Koing

he front squatted 130kg for a double 2 weeks ago while going “light.” 120 for 5’s on the backsquat for ‘light’ work. And while weighing 198lbs! If he sticks around and stays with it and gets the technique down, he might be able to clean 150-160 next year, if not more.
and we know he has some decent overhead strength, he push press 280lbs for an axle press! I’m really excited to see how he progress’s.

130 kg for a front squat is not much.All lifters in my gym warm-up and start Front squat session with 140 kg+

and are the guys at your gym under 200lbs? Just saying because that would be some damned good lifters (assuming they are OL) if they consider 140 a warmup

A 130kg front squat isn’t all that impressive for someone who’s 90kg. I did 130x3 when I was <90 and I STILL consider my front squat a mjaor, major weakpoint.

Just as a frame of reference, the top 2 Irish lifters would probably be in the 160-170kg range for singles. Both are under 22, one’s 69 and the other’s 85. The 69 guy C&J’d 135 in comp last week. 85kg guy has done 155 or there abouts I think.

One of my MAJOR gripes with how weightlifting seems to be thought by some coaches is that strength isn’t empahsised enough. I know technique is so so important, but I think once you get to a certain level the biggest gains are gonna come from technique. Why are the top guys winning?? It’s probably not because their technique is THAT much better than the lower ranks, but their strength is well ahead.

At least that’s my 2c based off what I’ve seen.

Pisarenko had better technique then Taranenko, yet taranenko had the better lifts. Why? Taranenko had tremendous leg strength… aka a 380kg back squat for doubles w/ a 2 sec pause at the bottom. Pisarenko had to catch the bounce while taranenko didn’t have to. Good point.

but you do have to realize, most people at the elite level have the technique so engrained in them, that working on the subtle things is what counts.

Boevski won a lot because he had that insane leg strength too. Guy made world record weights look redicously easy.

But, for people who AREN’T trained from age 12 or so, you NEED to engrain that technique. Its easier to gain strength then technique imo.[/quote]

I would tend to agree. BUT when you have a guy coming to the table who’s already very strong, he’s gonna outlift someone who has spent alot of time on the technique side of things but might not be as strong.

The big question is, which lifter that more potential in 3 years…

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In a 2 weeks I fly to Spain.So I ended this phase of Oly lifts and now I focus on boxing and some sprints,a bit of wrestling and conditioning…to be ready to work the doors.
Todays training

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Med ball work for power

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High rep bodyweight condititioning

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