[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
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i agree look at how many people drink large amounts of whole milkf from the store and there fine. Not everyone can get raw milk
[quote]whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
I’m not claiming to be an expert. However, I believe that you can’t absorb the calcium in commercial milk. It’s also filled with dead bacteria and fat particles so small that they cross the intestinal wall. Doesn’t sound good to me.
There are tons more stuff about commercial milk that’s supposedly bad for you. I just can’t remember all of it.As I said, I’m no expert. I’ve just read some stuff, and never had it disproven. Commercial milk also makes me feel like shit and gives me TERRIBLE skin issues. I don’t think I’m “lactose intolerant” though. I never get any GI issues.
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If you never have any GI issues, then how does it make you “feel like shit”?
Oh, no…not DEAD bacteria! I sure as hell hope you never eat any meat or, hell, any vegetables. Those often have LIVE bacteria on them which is why vegetables are washed and meat should be rinsed off before cooking.
But of course you knew this.
You are right…you are not an expert on the subject.
[quote]whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
I’m not claiming to be an expert. However, I believe that you can’t absorb the calcium in commercial milk. It’s also filled with dead bacteria and fat particles so small that they cross the intestinal wall. Doesn’t sound good to me.
There are tons more stuff about commercial milk that’s supposedly bad for you. I just can’t remember all of it.As I said, I’m no expert. I’ve just read some stuff, and never had it disproven. Commercial milk also makes me feel like shit and gives me TERRIBLE skin issues. I don’t think I’m “lactose intolerant” though. I never get any GI issues.
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I think you have read too much into the anti-milk hysteria. Stick around, we will set you straight.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
I’m not claiming to be an expert. However, I believe that you can’t absorb the calcium in commercial milk. It’s also filled with dead bacteria and fat particles so small that they cross the intestinal wall. Doesn’t sound good to me.
There are tons more stuff about commercial milk that’s supposedly bad for you. I just can’t remember all of it.As I said, I’m no expert. I’ve just read some stuff, and never had it disproven. Commercial milk also makes me feel like shit and gives me TERRIBLE skin issues. I don’t think I’m “lactose intolerant” though. I never get any GI issues.
If you never have any GI issues, then how does it make you “feel like shit”?
Oh, no…not DEAD bacteria! I sure as hell hope you never eat any meat or, hell, any vegetables. Those often have LIVE bacteria on them which is why vegetables are washed and meat should be rinsed off before cooking.
But of course you knew this.
You are right…you are not an expert on the subject.
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Dude, can we keep this civil? I know you have a ‘thing’ for talking down to people, but it’s really not called for. If you disagree, that’s fine. There’s no need to get hostile. You know what I mean.
Milk makes me feel like shit because I get terrible skin and a face full of snot.
I have no problem with the live bacteria. That’s what upsets me - the fact that they’re dead. I’m not an idiot.
[quote]whoami wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
I’m not claiming to be an expert. However, I believe that you can’t absorb the calcium in commercial milk. It’s also filled with dead bacteria and fat particles so small that they cross the intestinal wall. Doesn’t sound good to me.
There are tons more stuff about commercial milk that’s supposedly bad for you. I just can’t remember all of it.As I said, I’m no expert. I’ve just read some stuff, and never had it disproven. Commercial milk also makes me feel like shit and gives me TERRIBLE skin issues. I don’t think I’m “lactose intolerant” though. I never get any GI issues.
If you never have any GI issues, then how does it make you “feel like shit”?
Oh, no…not DEAD bacteria! I sure as hell hope you never eat any meat or, hell, any vegetables. Those often have LIVE bacteria on them which is why vegetables are washed and meat should be rinsed off before cooking.
But of course you knew this.
You are right…you are not an expert on the subject.
Dude, can we keep this civil? I know you have a ‘thing’ for talking down to people, but it’s really not called for. If you disagree, that’s fine. There’s no need to get hostile. You know what I mean.
Milk makes me feel like shit because I get terrible skin and a face full of snot.
I have no problem with the live bacteria. That’s what upsets me - the fact that they’re dead. I’m not an idiot.
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Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Commercial milk is bad for you.
If you get it straight from the ‘teet’, it’s probably good for you.
The pasterization and homogenization totally destroys the milk.
I think this statement is over the top. I don’t dispute that safe raw milk is probably better, especially for those that have trouble handling milk but pasteurized milk still provides plenty of benefits for those that can digest it well.
I’m not claiming to be an expert. However, I believe that you can’t absorb the calcium in commercial milk. It’s also filled with dead bacteria and fat particles so small that they cross the intestinal wall. Doesn’t sound good to me.
There are tons more stuff about commercial milk that’s supposedly bad for you. I just can’t remember all of it.As I said, I’m no expert. I’ve just read some stuff, and never had it disproven. Commercial milk also makes me feel like shit and gives me TERRIBLE skin issues. I don’t think I’m “lactose intolerant” though. I never get any GI issues.
I think you have read too much into the anti-milk hysteria. Stick around, we will set you straight.[/quote]
Yeah, good thing too. We don’t get a lot of information about anything up here in viking country. We mostly read tea leaves.
Just joking with ya
Dude, can we keep this civil? I know you have a ‘thing’ for talking down to people, but it’s really not called for. If you disagree, that’s fine. There’s no need to get hostile. You know what I mean.
Milk makes me feel like shit because I get terrible skin and a face full of snot.
I have no problem with the live bacteria. That’s what upsets me - the fact that they’re dead. I’m not an idiot.
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Ok…I recommend you never swallow either. There are millions of bacteria that LIVE inside your mouth, more so than live in your anus. Why are you worried about DEAD bacteria?
If most people actually understood how laden with bacteria their entire lives are, most would never go more than 2 days without changing their bed sheet and no more than 3 weeks without changing their toothbrush.
Ignorance is bliss.
I am also not being hostile with you. I am simply being straight forward. There is a difference.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.[/quote]
A lot of the bacteria in milk are beneficial for humans. That’s why it bothers me that they’re all killed in the pasteurization process. I think you know what I’m talking about, yet for some reason you insist on pretending like you don’t. I can’t imagine why. Seriously.
[quote]whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.
A lot of the bacteria in milk are beneficial for humans. That’s why it bothers me that they’re all killed in the pasteurization process. I think you know what I’m talking about, yet for some reason you insist on pretending like you don’t. I can’t imagine why. Seriously.[/quote]
Wait, so you are saying that since active cultures (like those in yogurt) are not in pasteurized milk, that it should be avoided? If you are worried, why not just supplement the bacterial cultures? Why not eat yogurt?
You are looking for one perfect food source to supply everything for you?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ok…I recommend you never swallow either. There are millions of bacteria that LIVE inside your mouth, more so than live in your anus. Why are you worried about DEAD bacteria?
If most people actually understood how laden with bacteria their entire lives are, most would never go more than 2 days without changing their bed sheet and no more than 3 weeks without changing their toothbrush.
Ignorance is bliss.
I am also not being hostile with you. I am simply being straight forward. There is a difference.[/quote]
Damn, you really think I’m stupid don’t you?
I know there are bacteria everywhere. And, as I already clarified in my previous post, I’d like to have the benefits of the live bacteria.
I actually work very hard not to bullshit myself, and to avoid being served bullshit by others.
And you’re not being straight forward. You’re using…how shall I put this…spicy language to make me sound like an idiot. That’s not straight forward at all. If one were to take the gist of your original post and make it straight forward, it would read “There are live bacteria everywhere. You are an idiot”.
Please, enough with the silly forum fighting. I get really embarrassed when I get pulled into this stuff. Does anyone have any information about the benefits of raw milk as opposed to commercial?
Damn, you really think I’m stupid don’t you? :)[/quote]
I think you are using petty reasons to push your opinion of milk based on your own personal physical issues you see with it.
That thinking is the very reason people who have never had a problem with milk now think there is something wrong with it.
A skin and respiratory reaction indicates an allergy. That is what you have stated is the effect of drinking milk. Therefore, why is someone with an allergy to milk even worried about raw milk?
This language isn’t spicy, by the way. This isn’t even mild flavor.
I think you are using petty reasons to push your opinion of milk based on your own personal physical issues you see with it.
That thinking is the very reason people who have never had a problem with milk now think there is something wrong with it.
A skin and respiratory reaction indicates and allergy. That is what you have stated is the effect of drinking milk. Therefore, why is someone with an allergy to milk even worried about raw milk?
This language isn’t spicy, by the way. This isn’t even mild flavor.[/quote]
Fine, drink your milk. My point is: If it’s not broken, why fix it?
If people who originally thrived on milk have decided to stop drinking it, it certainly isn’t because they think the way I do. I know my body and I listen to it. Most people do not.
I do not get ANY problems when I drink raw milk. Commercial milk, however, mess me up real bad. Go figure!
[quote]whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.
A lot of the bacteria in milk are beneficial for humans. That’s why it bothers me that they’re all killed in the pasteurization process. I think you know what I’m talking about, yet for some reason you insist on pretending like you don’t. I can’t imagine why. Seriously.[/quote]
You seem to be talking about two separate issues.
1.Just because you are not getting the full benefit of the good bacteria does not make pasteurized milk useless. I understand where you are coming from here but I think you underestimate the good things that are still in pasteurized milk.
The fact that the dead bacteria are still in the milk is kind of meaningless and should be of no concern.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.
A lot of the bacteria in milk are beneficial for humans. That’s why it bothers me that they’re all killed in the pasteurization process. I think you know what I’m talking about, yet for some reason you insist on pretending like you don’t. I can’t imagine why. Seriously.
You seem to be talking about two separate issues.
1.Just because you are not getting the full benefit of the good bacteria does not make pasteurized milk useless. I understand where you are coming from here but I think you underestimate the good things that are still in pasteurized milk.
The fact that the dead bacteria are still in the milk is kind of meaningless and should be of no concern.[/quote]
Pasteurization is our friend. It keeps you from getting bacterial TB and other illnesses that are found in non-pasteurized dairy foods, like the homemade Mexican cheeses you can buy at the farmer’s markets.
A lot of people I know have been drinking milk directly from the teet their entire lives, and have never had any problems. Commercial milk is definitely not my friend, I know that much.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You seem to be talking about two separate issues.
1.Just because you are not getting the full benefit of the good bacteria does not make pasteurized milk useless. I understand where you are coming from here but I think you underestimate the good things that are still in pasteurized milk.
The fact that the dead bacteria are still in the milk is kind of meaningless and should be of no concern.[/quote]
I agree with you. I should have been more clear. It’s the general destroying of the milk that bothers me. The ‘living’ milk is killed before we get to consume it, and I believe the disease risk is blown out of proportion.
I used to drink a gallon of milk/day, so I freakin’ LOVE milk. I don’t drink it much anymore though.
Appreciate your concern, but seriously i dont do milk. I get good calories else where.
Just a side note. I finished with athletics 36 months ago and ive put on 44 pounds since. Put on very little fat. Max 3 % bodyfat. Didnt use milk in my diet.
For me i dont think its necessary. However if your drinking milk and making good progress and it works for you, fair play.
[quote]hit the gym wrote:
Ratchet wrote:
does milk really deserve another thread on these forums, jesus, use the search function before posting…
milk + heavy lifting + intensity will = muscle, so, yes, milk is good.
seriously… apparently “milk = evil” is the new fad. insulin, lactose intolerance, carbs…
drink coke. tired of these threads.[/quote]
Milk kicks ass. Seriously. But before someone bastardizes the issues yet again, I will state the obvious. Their is a huge discrepancy in the overall value nutritionally speaking from pasturized/homogenized milk versus whole raw milk (provided you got a good clean source) that really their is no point of comparision between the two.
I would agree that it might not be the most ideal food when on a cutting phase, it most definetly works wonders for mass phases.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
whoami wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Water and cooked food are full of dead bacteria. Don’t worry about them.
A lot of the bacteria in milk are beneficial for humans. That’s why it bothers me that they’re all killed in the pasteurization process. I think you know what I’m talking about, yet for some reason you insist on pretending like you don’t. I can’t imagine why. Seriously.
You seem to be talking about two separate issues.
1.Just because you are not getting the full benefit of the good bacteria does not make pasteurized milk useless. I understand where you are coming from here but I think you underestimate the good things that are still in pasteurized milk.
The fact that the dead bacteria are still in the milk is kind of meaningless and should be of no concern.
Pasteurization is our friend. It keeps you from getting bacterial TB and other illnesses that are found in non-pasteurized dairy foods, like the homemade Mexican cheeses you can buy at the farmer’s markets.
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Pastuerization is NOT your friend, contrary to what you believe.
