[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Tyson wasn’t overated, he was undertrained.[/quote]
I like the way you put this better than I did, and agree.
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
OMC wrote:
oh yeah and here’s a good photo of tyson before his fight with McBride, if I have a physique like that when I’m his age I’ll be smiling too.
OMC
What I find interesting about the photo you posted is Tyson having a tatoo of communist Che Guevara, who was openly racist in his attitude toward Black people…Bizarre…
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Che Guevara fought alongside revolutionaries in the Congo. He was fighting along side blacks everyday, not exactly the actions of a racist. I don’t think he would have lasted very long there if he hated blacks. Infact he wouldn’t have risked his life by going there in the first place.
I have read the Congolese diaries and it would take quite a leap of the imagination to interpret his words as those of a racist.
You don’t tend to find the KKK flying to a black populated third world country joining up with a militia in which there is barely enough food and braving mosquito carried illness, air strikes and death squads, just to show how much they hate blacks.
Moving onto topic. I’m sure if you took most top end athletes and gave them plenty of food and gym time they would make good bodybuidlers.
[quote]Plim wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
OMC wrote:
oh yeah and here’s a good photo of tyson before his fight with McBride, if I have a physique like that when I’m his age I’ll be smiling too.
OMC
What I find interesting about the photo you posted is Tyson having a tatoo of communist Che Guevara, who was openly racist in his attitude toward Black people…Bizarre…
Che Guevara fought alongside revolutionaries in the Congo. He was fighting along side blacks everyday, not exactly the actions of a racist. I don’t think he would have lasted very long there if he hated blacks. Infact he wouldn’t have risked his life by going there in the first place.
I have read the Congolese diaries and it would take quite a leap of the imagination to interpret his words as those of a racist.
You don’t tend to find the KKK flying to a black populated third world country joining up with a militia in which there is barely enough food and braving mosquito carried illness, air strikes and death squads, just to show how much they hate blacks.
Moving onto topic. I’m sure if you took most top end athletes and gave them plenty of food and gym time they would make good bodybuidlers.
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Quotes from The Motorcycle Diaries (the book):
“The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese.”
“The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.”
and
He�??s the ultimate symbol of radical chic but was Che Guevara really a homophobic, racist square who personally ordered the jailing and executions of innocent men, women and children?
That�??s according to Humberto Fontova, the author of �??Exposing the Real Che Guevara and the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him,�?? who claims that Guevara probably would have imprisoned or punished most of his celebrity fans, from Johnny Depp to Angelina Jolie.
Among the book�??s claims:
- Twice, Che plotted terrorist attacks against New York City. In November 1962, the FBI cracked a terrorist plot by Cuban agents who targeted Macy�??s, Gimbel�??s, Bloomingdale�??s and Grand Central Terminal. They planned to blow up those landmarks with 12 incendiary devices and 500 kilos of TNT the day after Thanksgiving.
Several months before visiting New York in December 1964 and being feted by the toast of the city�??s intelligentsia, Che hatched a plan with the Black Liberation Army to blow up the Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell and the Washington Monument. The plotters were infiltrated in 1965 by a sharp-eyed NYPD cadet.
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Che detested rock and roll and railed against �??long hairs,�?? �??lazy youths,�?? and homosexuals. At one point, he wrote that the young must always �??listen carefully - and with the utmost respect �?? to the advice of their elders who held governmental authority.�??
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Che sidelined black Cubans and mocked those who were part of the revolutionary movement. He once told radio host Luis Pons, �??We�??re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.�??
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Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad, which he supervised at his jungle headquarters in Cuba. He also hosted book burnings, torching thousands of books owned by suspect intellectuals and librarians.
He was a real piece of shit.
Che t shirts and posters are popular because he and others took a stand against a dictator and overthrew him, not saying Castro’s reign is/was any better then Batista’s but He was a man who wasn’t afraid to fight on the front lines for his cause, he had the values of only getting paid enough for what he needed (much less then his position warrented), and did hard labor and public services to help Cuba.
I know a lot of the things he did were bad, but there are some thing his radicalist mind had him do that were good. By the way, about the racism thing, He did fight with and alongside blacks, at most he can be accused of putting them all in the same catagory because it was mostly cuban cuban’s fighting for a new government.
Excecutions without trial were mostly Batista’s officials and such. Book burnings… tend to take place with any revolution.
Honestly if a person knows the whole story and wears a che t shirt I see nothing wrong with it. Especially because with the rate of the US government official’s lack of being genuine, we too will be ripe for a revolution in not as long as you’d like to think.
Honestly Castro is the real villain… Che is merely an icon of social reforms, being a good person, helping your community, and not being afraid to die for your own ideals…
Like it or not he’s here to stay.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Che t shirts and posters are popular because he and others took a stand against a dictator and overthrew him, not saying Castro’s reign is/was any better then Batista’s but He was a man who wasn’t afraid to fight on the front lines for his cause, he had the values of only getting paid enough for what he needed (much less then his position warrented), and did hard labor and public services to help Cuba.
I know a lot of the things he did were bad, but there are some thing his radicalist mind had him do that were good. By the way, about the racism thing, He did fight with and alongside blacks, at most he can be accused of putting them all in the same catagory because it was mostly cuban cuban’s fighting for a new government.
Excecutions without trial were mostly Batista’s officials and such. Book burnings… tend to take place with any revolution.
Honestly if a person knows the whole story and wears a che t shirt I see nothing wrong with it. Especially because with the rate of the US government official’s lack of being genuine, we too will be ripe for a revolution in not as long as you’d like to think.
Honestly Castro is the real villain… Che is merely an icon of social reforms, being a good person, helping your community, and not being afraid to die for your own ideals…
Like it or not he’s here to stay.
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You’re right. Mike tyson would be an amazing bodybuilder.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Che t shirts and posters are popular because he and others took a stand against a dictator and overthrew him, not saying Castro’s reign is/was any better then Batista’s but He was a man who wasn’t afraid to fight on the front lines for his cause, he had the values of only getting paid enough for what he needed (much less then his position warrented), and did hard labor and public services to help Cuba.
I know a lot of the things he did were bad, but there are some thing his radicalist mind had him do that were good. By the way, about the racism thing, He did fight with and alongside blacks, at most he can be accused of putting them all in the same catagory because it was mostly cuban cuban’s fighting for a new government.
Excecutions without trial were mostly Batista’s officials and such. Book burnings… tend to take place with any revolution.
Honestly if a person knows the whole story and wears a che t shirt I see nothing wrong with it. Especially because with the rate of the US government official’s lack of being genuine, we too will be ripe for a revolution in not as long as you’d like to think.
Honestly Castro is the real villain… Che is merely an icon of social reforms, being a good person, helping your community, and not being afraid to die for your own ideals…
Like it or not he’s here to stay.
You’re right. Mike tyson would be an amazing bodybuilder.[/quote]
why did you quote me?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
why did you quote me?
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I was simply amazed at how far off topic this thread went.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
why did you quote me?
I was simply amazed at how far off topic this thread went.[/quote]
He has a big tattoo of the bastard. It is almost on topic.