yeah 
anyone have any idea why?
[quote]hastalles wrote:
yeah
anyone have any idea why?[/quote]
I heard some rumours that he tested positive for certain substances.
[quote]hastalles wrote:
yeah
anyone have any idea why?[/quote]
would have gotten popped if he took a piss test after lifting.
I have posted some videos in my log in the over35 section doing these.
Dude, not only is this shoulder strength really impressive, but the balance that goes into these kind of lifts. Fuck yeah.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
I have posted some videos in my log in the over35 section doing these.
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Good stuff, fischer! Very strong.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I want to see a video of at least one T-nationer doing these before I even think about trying them. They don’t look too good for a guy with some shoulder mechanic problems.[/quote]
These make my shoulders feel better if anything. I don’t go collar to collar though, I usually have my middle finger on the rings.
I’m good for OHP of 135 for 10-12 after my horizontal push workout and I tried these today. I got 70 for 3 sets of 10. I then was able to swiss bar 135 for 4 sets of 9 so whatever the klokov’s work it didn’t affect my reg OHP press much.
I like these. I’ve only added OHP back into my workout after dropping them a few years ago when I was under the impression they were bad for my bad shoulders. It’s a long road back but the fresh training is nice. I’m into Bradfords now too.
Just did these for 5 sets of 10 for assistance work after mil pressing today. Been playing around with sets/reps on them and this is probably one of my favorite ones I’ve done. Shoulders are torched after wards
Didnt take much weight either, I think I was using 70 pounds total. Minimal rest periods. Last 2 or 3 reps of the last set were tough as nails, but the light weight helps prevent any shoulder issues.
I’d say on the Rate of Perceived Exertion scale, the Sets were: 5,6,7,8,9 - Basically started off pretty easy, than each set got harder and harder until the last one which was almost a max effort on the last 2-3 reps.
I did them for the first time yesterday, started out very light and did 135x3 at the end of my session. I always use false grip on the traditional OH Press, and was wondering if the same should be applied with the Klokov press.
No. I believe with a grip that wide it is a good way to involuntarily commit suicide.
I use a full grip with these, it actually feels more effective than a false grip (which I use on regular over head presses) for me
I’ll save this exercise for my next doggcrapp rotation.
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
I’ll save this exercise for my next doggcrapp rotation.[/quote]
I dont really know that this is a great exercises for that system. Maybe done in a smith machine or something, but the free standing version might not allow for the kind of progression/overload you’re looking for on that program. That, plus pushing to extreme FAILURE like you do on DC might not be the best idea with this lift as its potential for dropping it on your head and neck increases with every rest/pause I would imagine.
Although if you feel safe doing it and can make long term progress go sick. Often times the high risk exercises are the best ones.
Like Jamie Lewis from Chaos and Pain says… Live Dangerously and you Live Right
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
I’ll save this exercise for my next doggcrapp rotation.[/quote]
That, plus pushing to extreme FAILURE like you do on DC might not be the best idea with this lift as its potential for dropping it on your head and neck increases with every rest/pause I would imagine.
[/quote]I have to disagree slightly.
With Doggcrapp, not all the exercises are done in a rest-pause manner until failure. With lifts that one would have a higher propensity for injury if rest-paused, a straight set is simply employed. So if squatting, you’d do one heavy set of 4-8 reps, rack the weight and rest for a few minutes, then lower the weight slightly and bang out 20 reps. With deadlifts, you’d do a heavy set of 6-9 reps, rest for a few minutes, then lower the weight slightly and bang out 9-12 reps.
Utilizing a similar guideline as those concerning quads and the lower back, the Klokov press could be employed and the risk of injury significantly reduced.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
For shits and giggles, you people with good narrow stance squat mobility should try doing these from the bottom of a back squat position just with an empty bar. My mid back has never cramped up so tight as when I did them this way…even moving 95 lbs was almost impossible. Great warm-up.
Make sure your elbows are forced down instead of slipping up and backwards in the hole though. That’s key[/quote]
I did these a while ago just to see if I could but I never did them again. I am usually stronger BTN for some reason. That’s only 30kg there however.
Edit: But I do them with just the bar for warm up all the time
^^ Thats impressive Debra
I bought 1.25lb Olympic plates off amazon or ebay for mico-loading on the OHP.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
I’ll save this exercise for my next doggcrapp rotation.[/quote]
I dont really know that this is a great exercises for that system. Maybe done in a smith machine or something, but the free standing version might not allow for the kind of progression/overload you’re looking for on that program. That, plus pushing to extreme FAILURE like you do on DC might not be the best idea with this lift as its potential for dropping it on your head and neck increases with every rest/pause I would imagine.
Although if you feel safe doing it and can make long term progress go sick. Often times the high risk exercises are the best ones.
Like Jamie Lewis from Chaos and Pain says… Live Dangerously and you Live Right[/quote]
Let me first say that you’ve got a valid point there. =)
It’s with reason I could add this exercise in the rotation schedule, because I’m very cautious with overhead presses. Most of the time I don’t train with a spotter and especially with seated overhead presses this sucks. So what I’ve done is microloading the bar and just up the reps. Where 15-20 reps rest-pause style is advocated, I’ll up the reps to 15-30 rest pause style. And my shoulders don’t need that much weight for growth stimulation. My motto is less is more, even with little steps in weight. And the weight I’m using for overhead presses it’s safe to let it fall down on my traps.
[quote]get_ate wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
I’ll save this exercise for my next doggcrapp rotation.[/quote]
That, plus pushing to extreme FAILURE like you do on DC might not be the best idea with this lift as its potential for dropping it on your head and neck increases with every rest/pause I would imagine.
[/quote]I have to disagree slightly.
With Doggcrapp, not all the exercises are done in a rest-pause manner until failure. With lifts that one would have a higher propensity for injury if rest-paused, a straight set is simply employed. So if squatting, you’d do one heavy set of 4-8 reps, rack the weight and rest for a few minutes, then lower the weight slightly and bang out 20 reps. With deadlifts, you’d do a heavy set of 6-9 reps, rest for a few minutes, then lower the weight slightly and bang out 9-12 reps.
Utilizing a similar guideline as those concerning quads and the lower back, the Klokov press could be employed and the risk of injury significantly reduced.
[/quote]
Yups, another more safe way to incorperate such an exercise. =)
Last week I hit 40kg for two doubles, then yesterday I did 30kg for 3 sets of 10 after OHP and light bench. OHP max is somewhere around 55 - 60kg, so around 70/75% for me