Regarding biceps - my understanding (and my information is probably out of date by now) is that the biceps should do virtually nothing.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14939275
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http://www.ffck.org/renseigner/savoir/sante/biblio/biomeca.htm
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
Regarding biceps - my understanding (and my information is probably out of date by now) is that the biceps should do virtually nothing.
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biceps definitely do work, you push with one arm and pull on the other.
this is very interesting:
Purpose: Athletes often use weight training to prepare for sprint events, but the effectiveness of different types of weight training for sprinting is unclear.
We have therefore investigated the effect of slow and explosive weight training on kayak sprint performance.
Methods: Twenty-seven male and 11 female experienced sprint kayakers were randomized to slow weight training, explosive weight training, or control (usual training) groups.
Weight training consisted of two sessions per week for 6 wk; in each session the athletes performed 3�??4 sets of two sport-specific exercises with a load of 80% 1-repetition-maximum.
The two training programs differed only in the time taken to complete the concentric phase of the exercises: slow, 1.7 s; explosive, 0.85 s.
To determine the effects of training on sprint acceleration and speed maintenance, the athletes performed 15-m kayaking
sprints pre- and posttraining; an electronic timing system provided sprint times at 3.75-, 7.5-, and 15-m marks.
Results: Relative to control, both types of weight training substantially improved strength and sprint performance.
The improvements in mean sprint time over 15 m in each group were: slow, 3.4%; explosive, 2.3%; control, 0.2% (90% confidence limits for pairwise differences, ~1.4%).
Over the first 3.75 m, the improvements were: slow, 7.1%; explosive, 3.2%; control, 1.4% (~2.6%).
Over the last 7.5 m, the improvements were: slow, 2.1%; explosive, 3.0%; control, 0.8% (~1.9%).
Conclusions: Slow weight training is likely to be more
effective than explosive training for improving the acceleration phase of sprinting, when force is high throughout the length of the stroke.
Explosive weight training may be more effective in speed maintenance, when forces are developed rapidly over a short period
if that is so, i’ll probably do more explosive training, seeing that the maintenance part is way more than the acceleration part, especially in the 1000m.the acceleration part is probably 50m? haha
and as for biceps, i kinda agree with goodfellow. i think they still do work, just that they’re probably supportive muscles only. major focus still on shoulder and back
anyone here gets shoulder issues frequently from kayaking?
[quote]raptor03 wrote:
anyone here gets shoulder issues frequently from kayaking? [/quote]
I have a current shoulder issue, see original post, and if anything it’s helping.
Friday night my shoulder was killing me, a constant burning like i was doing 100+ lateral raises, in the morning it was still quite bad, and after 6 hours of white water kayaking it was tons better.
edit - not to mention having to farmers walk 2 kayaks back up to the start of the rapids every time you finish
There are couple heather shoulder articles on this site. I totally tore my trapezius from football. I followed shoulder savers by Eric Cressey.
Check them Out: Eric Cressey
Shoulders Savers Part I: Shoulder Savers - Part 1
Strong and Healthy Shoulders: John Paul Catanzaro
I got a competition on sunday, 200m & 500m races.
Is there anything I can do in the three upcoming weight training sessions to help with that at all?
Rest.
I can’t but notice the irony of this thread.
Shouldn’t this be in the bodybuilding section?
What does sprint kayaking have to do with bodybuilding?
I guess it’s a bit of a grey area, but sprint kayaking is definitely more of a strength sport than, say, tennis.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I got a competition on sunday, 200m & 500m races.
Is there anything I can do in the three upcoming weight training sessions to help with that at all?[/quote]
if youve a race on sunday, i would suggest you to lay off gym sessions for now as its less than a week to your race.
otherwise, you can do light strength work at the gym, but it wouldnt really make much difference so close to the competition
i think it would be better if you could get into your kayak for these few days, do some short sprint sets(100m), really get the feel of your boat,know how it feels to accelerate, and know your raceplan for the race itself(eg for 500m, 50m acceleration, maintainence 350m, charge for last 100m) .but be careful not to overexert yourself during this period of time before the race.
lastly, all the best for your upcoming race!
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
What does sprint kayaking have to do with bodybuilding?
I guess it’s a bit of a grey area, but sprint kayaking is definitely more of a strength sport than, say, tennis.[/quote]
Sure, sprint kayaking is a strength sport. Why not.
One of the indignities that lead to the creation of the T-cell was some guy making a thread about training for kayaking or canoeing in the bodybuilding forum. At the time, it was dismissed under the umbrella of ‘this doesn’t have anything to do with lifting iron’. I thought it ironic for it to show up here as well.
I would just paddle light and lift light and keep the blood flowing for the next couple days.
Don’t over do it!.
Eat and Rest.
Load up on Carb’s the night before. That’s is what I did before my sprints for track.
Damn raptor03 I did not read what you wrote.
So I pretty much wrote the same thing. Sorry!
Good Luck Goodfellow. Let us know how you do!
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
As far as direct kayak training starts, I’ve only had about 6 sessions so far, so I need to get some qualifcations (1 star & 2 star) before I can go out paddling whenever I want for my own training.[/quote]
Why do you have to get qualifications to go kayak? Are you talking about 1 and 2 star BCU certification? Or is it a requirement for the race boats for where you train?
If it is the last reason, keep in mind that you can get time in a slightly wider boat - like a sea kayak - for general conditioning. I can’t imagine you are required to have BCU certification to rent a sea kayak, but I don’t know english law on that topic. A wider boat does change stroke mechnics slightly and is of course more stable, so you probably don’t want to use one exclusively. But, if the choice is reduced time in the race boat or time in a wider boat, I personally would do some training in the wider boat.
[quote]financeguy wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
As far as direct kayak training starts, I’ve only had about 6 sessions so far, so I need to get some qualifcations (1 star & 2 star) before I can go out paddling whenever I want for my own training.
Why do you have to get qualifications to go kayak? Are you talking about 1 and 2 star BCU certification? Or is it a requirement for the race boats for where you train?
If it is the last reason, keep in mind that you can get time in a slightly wider boat - like a sea kayak - for general conditioning. I can’t imagine you are required to have BCU certification to rent a sea kayak, but I don’t know english law on that topic. A wider boat does change stroke mechnics slightly and is of course more stable, so you probably don’t want to use one exclusively. But, if the choice is reduced time in the race boat or time in a wider boat, I personally would do some training in the wider boat.[/quote]
I was talking about the 1 & 2 star certifications, yeah.
Since I don’t own my own kayak I need to use the ones at my local club, and they dont let you go out on the lake without an instructor, unless you have a 2 star certification.
Hey just got back from the racing, i got 1st in the placing event which was a 500m which set me up well for the day, i got 2nd in 200m and 4th in 1000m, which was enough to place me 3rd overall and i got a neat little trophy from my club.
But now my fucking shoulder is killlliiiing meee. It feels brusied like I hit it with a hammer and burns like i just finished a set of 1000 lateral raises.
I can’t find the words to express how frustrating/depressing this is. Has been going on for a year now, with 6-7 months of no weight training what so ever.
Well done.
About the pain, how is your posture? Do you sit at a desk all day?
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
Well done.
About the pain, how is your posture? Do you sit at a desk all day?[/quote]
Yeah it’s not the best, I have some forward head lean and mild kyphosis, it used to be a lot worse.
1-2 months ago I really focused on my posture and got it near perfect and my shoulder still played up, I kinda got depressed and gave up with it though.
It plays up when those 2 things are pronounced, i.e - if im lying in bed with my head tilted up to watch t.v
I have MRI on tuesday and tomorrow I think im going to start deadlifting 3x a week (if I can).
It takes longer than a couple of months, I would keep at it, particularly those external rotations. I got a little worse before I got better and I’m still nowhere near right.
Lay off the bench-press.
Deadlift 3x week sounds way too much.