Input On Intentional Atrophy

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I want to decrease the mass of my legs, to be more specific, my hamstrings. (I hate how my legs are like tree trunks and how the inside of them have touched since I can remember.)
I also wish to decrease my waist size not just as by fat reduction, but by permanently atrophing my lower obliques.

I need help with selecting the appropriate workouts and with perhaps some consultation on health and nutrition.
This is what I had in mind:

workout everyday for 3 days the same muscle, as if specializing, and without resting. It won’t matter that I’m not at my full capacity because I’m breaking down muscle mass. Then, during those three days and 2 days after I won’t take any protein, and during the 3 days I won’t eat any carbs or fats, this is where I need some help. If I eat nothing but sugar and caffeine for those 3 days, essentially fasting.

OR would it be better to stay away from sugar and stay away from raising my insulin levels. I’m aware that this isn’t a venue that many trainers have delved into, but being conscious of how to avoid atrophy, it would seem only natural that one would know how to maximize it’s effect as quickly as possible.

Thanks, for the input, I only hope that no one goes and tries to change my mind about this, I’ve been thinking about it for A LOOONG TIME, and very serious about it. I lift to look good and because I’m self-conscious, why is this any different?
If you’d like to seriously debate with my why or just this subjec in general message me with a myspace/aim request… thanks all.

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Low-medium intensity cardio, like jogging, is great for decreasing leg mass. As far as your obliques, they don’t have much potential for hypertrophy so I doubt trying to atrophy them would do much in terms of your waist measurements; you’re better off looking at your diet for that. Overall it sounds like you’re just trying to lose mass, so just start a clean diet and maintain a caloric deficit.

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This sounds…interesting.

And by “interesting”, I mean “slightly crazy”.

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
This sounds…interesting.

And by “interesting”, I mean “slightly crazy”.
[/quote]

I would sesriously like to see a pic of these “massive tree trunk” legs of yours.

Obviously, I don’t know you or how you train but most, I’m not saying you, but most are deluded about how “huge” they are when it is merely fat.

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Miserere wrote:
This sounds…interesting.

And by “interesting”, I mean “slightly crazy”.

I would sesriously like to see a pic of these “massive tree trunk” legs of yours.

Obviously, I don’t know you or how you train but most, I’m not saying you, but most are deluded about how “huge” they are when it is merely fat.

[/quote]

Best.Post.

Stats?

What do your legs measure? What does your waist measure?

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Do lots of cardio between 70-90% of your max heart rate, and don’t eat. That’ll shrink those muscles up nicely.

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I bet you’re a fat-ass.

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[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Do lots of cardio between 70-90% of your max heart rate, and don’t eat. That’ll shrink those muscles up nicely.[/quote]

I could throw together links to a buncha threads he could read to further enhance the effect as well. Just reading some of em may do it.

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well here’s my diet right now
breakfast: big bowl of cereal containing raisin bran or cherios (not honey nut) w/ protein shake (containing water and 2-3 scoops of protein, roughly 50-60g)
banana or whatever i can find in between

lunch: bowl of vegies, fruit, and protein shake with some lunchin meat
w/e i can find between doesn’t really matter to me b/c i’m usually workin out right about now

dinner: w/e my dad cooks up, awesome cook, though he is not usually very health minded, he weighs like 250lbs
then a protein shake before bed

now if u think i even can improve that diet living at home eating w/e i beg my mom to buy, ur out of ur mind, that’s the best diet i can come up with in this god forsaken household, if u only knew the health related complacency i had to deal with

though i am going to be a genetic engineer, currently striving to find the right certification for me to become a CPT

to be quite honest i don’t like the bloated look that most lifters get to their legs when they work them out, i honestly just don’t like the anatomical look that legs acquire no matter how well they’re trained
mine genetically look horrible and i was born with big ones and… big hips, i’m german/irish

now i’m going to start this tomorrow, maybe u guys can “help” instead of hinder the process this time
i just knew i’d get nothing but refusal to comply

concerning the aerobics aspect of what some of u helpful sorts posted, i have knee bursitis from wrestling and sprawling… look it up
http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=02129&title=KNEE+BURSITIS+&cid=HTHLTH

and concerning this last post with the links and all
bring it on buddy i’d love to see it
i’m on this site to learn, i’d be interested to see w/e it is that u can give me

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[quote]caselorance wrote:
well here’s my diet right now
breakfast: big bowl of cereal containing raisin bran or cherios (not honey nut) w/ protein shake (containing water and 2-3 scoops of protein, roughly 50-60g)
banana or whatever i can find in between

lunch: bowl of vegies, fruit, and protein shake with some lunchin meat
w/e i can find between doesn’t really matter to me b/c i’m usually workin out right about now

dinner: w/e my dad cooks up, awesome cook, though he is not usually very health minded, he weighs like 250lbs
then a protein shake before bed

now if u think i even can improve that diet living at home eating w/e i beg my mom to buy, ur out of ur mind, that’s the best diet i can come up with in this god forsaken household, if u only knew the health related complacency i had to deal with

though i am going to be a genetic engineer, currently striving to find the right certification for me to become a CPT

to be quite honest i don’t like the bloated look that most lifters get to their legs when they work them out, i honestly just don’t like the anatomical look that legs acquire no matter how well they’re trained
mine genetically look horrible and i was born with big ones and… big hips, i’m german/irish

now i’m going to start this tomorrow, maybe u guys can “help” instead of hinder the process this time
i just knew i’d get nothing but refusal to comply

concerning the aerobics aspect of what some of u helpful sorts posted, i have knee bursitis from wrestling and sprawling… look it up
http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=02129&title=KNEE+BURSITIS+&cid=HTHLTH

and concerning this last post with the links and all
bring it on buddy i’d love to see it
i’m on this site to learn, i’d be interested to see w/e it is that u can give me[/quote]

Great info. You forgot YOUR STATS.

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i haven’t got a ruler
else i wouldn’t still be wondering just how big my dick is

unless u want to bring ur ruler and a string stfu about the circumference of my legs

i can’t do a single leg curl
and my deadlift, sorry haven’t got enough weight in my garage to max out i stopped somewhere near 280lbs
does it really matter
i don’t like it…

k
nutrition!!! what would i need to deprive my body of, and what workouts would put the least amount of strain on my knee(if possible, since most of the hamstring according to Charles Poloquin is involved in flexion of the knee)

if i reallly have to i will start doing deadlifts, romanian deadlifts, and whatever else i can conjure from searching previous topics
thanks… and i’d really love to hear how knowledge of my 1 rep max helps in helping me get to the bottom of this posts true purpose??? since i just during the middle of this post, went out to do it.

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[quote]caselorance wrote:
i haven’t got a ruler
else i wouldn’t still be wondering just how big my dick is

unless u want to bring ur ruler and a string stfu about the circumference of my legs

i can’t do a single leg curl
and my deadlift, sorry haven’t got enough weight in my garage to max out i stopped somewhere near 280lbs
does it really matter
i don’t like it…

k
nutrition!!! what would i need to deprive my body of, and what workouts would put the least amount of strain on my knee(if possible, since most of the hamstring according to Charles Poloquin is involved in flexion of the knee)

if i reallly have to i will start doing deadlifts, romanian deadlifts, and whatever else i can conjure from searching previous topics
thanks… and i’d really love to hear how knowledge of my 1 rep max helps in helping me get to the bottom of this posts true purpose??? since i just during the middle of this post, went out to do it.[/quote]

I knew I was right. You need to eat correctly; create a calorie deficit.

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They’re not asking your 1 rep max, they want to know how fat you are.

It’s pretty easy to lose weight even when your parents cook shit. It’s called eating less. But hey, we can’t say no to our sugars can we.

-Cloth

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1.Stop lifting all together (for awhile)
2. Cut calories, clean up diet
3. Cardio- what about swimming or boxing? easy on the knee joints.
4. reduce protein intake (if you are suplementing).

That will make you lose mass. Once you get down to the size you want, or a little smaller, you can start lifting. Just don’t lift for hypertrophy. Please stay balanced though (upper to lower body, front to back etc.) for both functional and aesthetic reasons.

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look
i’m about 7% maaaybe 8%,
i could lose some weight
but the most efficient route i have of doing that is counterproductive to gaining mass, so that’s my normal weekly diet
caloric deficit or no
caloric deficits i’ve tried every one comes right back whyyy, why you might ask
well b/c they’re just not healthy and ur body retaliates to your lack of energy by either:

a) making u walk like a zombie around campus

b)comes right back the minute u have a sandwhich with cheese stuck in ur face
b/c it decides not to use any of that energy as post metabolic energy, but recuoups from what it’s previously lost
diet is simply put in my opinion
been ther done that
and still don’t have the results i’d like
my legs are still too thick
now enough about my fuckingggg weight and mass, please help me not slow me down this is gettin to be a redundant request
i need nutrition
what should i rid myself of
carbs, fats, obviously protein, or sugars
while consuming a large amount of caffeine to keep me going and to leave my stomach empty

i’ve lost 10lbs(certainly much of it water weight, but just how much of it can be water weight when) over the course of 3 days
ate next to nothing
talk about caloric deficit

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[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
1.Stop lifting all together (for awhile)
2. Cut calories, clean up diet
3. Cardio- what about swimming or boxing? easy on the knee joints.
4. reduce protein intake (if you are suplementing).

That will make you lose mass. Once you get down to the size you want, or a little smaller, you can start lifting. Just don’t lift for hypertrophy. Please stay balanced though (upper to lower body, front to back etc.) for both functional and aesthetic reasons. [/quote]

swimming sounds great, only i don’t have a pool
and boxing well, i’d love to
if only people weren’t scared of me
like my brother
wrestling would be a nice choice only it’s the reason i’m having problems with me knee to begin with
mmmmm
i want to start biking
i’m tring to fix up my dad’s old bike(it’s older than me, i’m 18)
5’9" 160lbs
max bench 250
max pullups 27
but sorry don’t ever touch lower body
mostly b/c i’m afraid of making it any bigger than it already is
my main goal is to look cut on every inch of my body while weighing at max about 170
i know i’ll need to clean up my diet
but for right now that’s really not an option consistently
maybe once i move out
but not for right now
i’m stuck with rock climbing and lifting

wrestling and climbing both present a weight issue… hence even more reason to get rid of some of what’s holding me back as far as legs are concerned since neither of those activities use them to their full extent; like, say… football.

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I’m not going to help you until you start making sense.

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So let me get all of this straight…

1.) you’re 5’9", 160 lbs.
2.) 7% bodyfat
3.) you never train legs because you don’t want them any bigger because they are soooooooo huuuuge and muscular

and you’re asking how you can make them smaller and less muscular???

are you a female?

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What a train wreck of a thread. At 5’9" and 160, and that low body fat (even if you may have fudged it a little), I don’t believe your legs are too big. You don’t need to lose weight or muscle mass, you need to change your thinking.

You are like one of those anorexic girls who look in the mirror and think they are too fat, when they are really sticks. Your perception is screwy. Hopefully, it isn’t dangerously screwy, requiring psychiatric help, although from your posts it seems like it borders on that.

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
So let me get all of this straight…

1.) you’re 5’9", 160 lbs.
2.) 7% bodyfat
3.) you never train legs because you don’t want them any bigger because they are soooooooo huuuuge and muscular

and you’re asking how you can make them smaller and less muscular???

are you a female?
[/quote]

dude, u wanna give me ur address so i can beat the shit outta u
ok if this makes u feel better

they’re not huge
and they’re not muscular
but i still

don’t like them…
anything else
god, i swear ur worse than my mom