How to Eat

[quote]kobe4life08 wrote:
so guys theres no point in doing a program that is suited for you to get faster and stronger if im gonna be on a diet to lose fat?[/quote]

Not neccessarily. When you are “cutting”, your primary goal is to maintain muscle. So your training plan would probably be pretty similar to the training plan you used to gain muscle, but your diet will be different.

Personally, I wouldn’t try to lose a ton of fat while doing a ton of speed and power training. I feel like you would lose a bunch of muscle mass if you aren’t doing the strenght/hypertrophy workouts to maintain it while you are in a caloric deficiet.

Others may have different opinions though.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
ubl0 wrote:
once in a while pizza and sushi are nice treats.

What the hell makes sushi not a clean food?

High insulin release. It makes an awesome post workout meal on a bulking diet, though. Extra points for all you can eat.

I hope that isn’t what people are using to describe “clean” food. I think “clean” might need to be dropped all together just because of confusion about what it means. Insulin is an anabolic hormone. I could see focusing on decreasing release when DIETING. Otherwise, that same insulin increase could aid the uptake of nutrients into your body which will help in more growth.[/quote]

I never said it was ‘dirty.’ I know insulin is anabolic, I said it was an awesome post workout food, especially when bulking.

cuz im gonna buy the ultimate offseason manual and do the workouts. i dont wanna mess anything up by having a bad diet. so my diet should be consisted of eating alot, not cutting calories right (once im on the program that is)

[quote]kobe4life08 wrote:
cuz im gonna buy the ultimate offseason manual and do the workouts. i dont wanna mess anything up by having a bad diet. so my diet should be consisted of eating alot, not cutting calories right (once im on the program that is)[/quote]
Sure if you are needing to gain wieght. If you are needing to lose fat for your spot then no.

Phill

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
ubl0 wrote:
once in a while pizza and sushi are nice treats.

What the hell makes sushi not a clean food?

High insulin release. It makes an awesome post workout meal on a bulking diet, though. Extra points for all you can eat.

I hope that isn’t what people are using to describe “clean” food. I think “clean” might need to be dropped all together just because of confusion about what it means. Insulin is an anabolic hormone. I could see focusing on decreasing release when DIETING. Otherwise, that same insulin increase could aid the uptake of nutrients into your body which will help in more growth.

I never said it was ‘dirty.’ I know insulin is anabolic, I said it was an awesome post workout food, especially when bulking.[/quote]

Actually, just like quoted above, when someone asked what makes sushi NOT a clean food, you wrote, “high insulin release”. Well, gee, that sure does seem to mean it is somehow “unclean”.

It is fish…and rice. If anyone considers this “unclean” as in “fast food” they need to pull the enormous stick out of their ass and try eating to actually make some progress.

[quote]Phill wrote:
kobe4life08 wrote:
cuz im gonna buy the ultimate offseason manual and do the workouts. i dont wanna mess anything up by having a bad diet. so my diet should be consisted of eating alot, not cutting calories right (once im on the program that is)
Sure if you are needing to gain wieght. If you are needing to lose fat for your spot then no.

Phill[/quote]

im needing to lose fat actually…not alot. so if im doin the offseason manual, i should be on a cutting diet if im looking to lose some fat? how am i gonna get faster or jump higher if im on a cutting diet while doing a program? dont i have to eat alot?

[quote]kobe4life08 wrote:
Phill wrote:
kobe4life08 wrote:
cuz im gonna buy the ultimate offseason manual and do the workouts. i dont wanna mess anything up by having a bad diet. so my diet should be consisted of eating alot, not cutting calories right (once im on the program that is)
Sure if you are needing to gain wieght. If you are needing to lose fat for your spot then no.

Phill

im needing to lose fat actually…not alot. so if im doin the offseason manual, i should be on a cutting diet if im looking to lose some fat? how am i gonna get faster or jump higher if im on a cutting diet while doing a program? dont i have to eat alot?
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Crayon Time!

What are your goals and why do you seem to be so interested in jumping higher and running faster? Are you an athlete? Is this a Superman wannabe contest? Have you considered your SHORT TERM GOALS? Will those goals help you reach your LONG TERM GOALS? What the hell are your goals?

So far, you have claimed you want to run faster, jump higher, lose body fat, not eat much and you apparently want it all right now.

Has it occurred to you that you may need to approach these “random goals” of yours one at a time with a little more specificity?

How old are you?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Crayon Time!

What are your goals and why do you seem to be so interested in jumping higher and running faster? Are you an athlete? Is this a Superman wannabe contest? Have you considered your SHORT TERM GOALS? Will those goals help you reach your LONG TERM GOALS? What the hell are your goals?

So far, you have claimed you want to run faster, jump higher, lose body fat, not eat much and you apparently want it all right now.

Has it occurred to you that you may need to approach these “random goals” of yours one at a time with a little more specificity?

How old are you?[/quote]

Read this many time and find out what it is you REALLY are looking to accheive.

Hell if your fat and want to run a bit faster and jump a bit higher just dropping son=me fat will do that to a point you will be lighter, diet in a smart way and even if you make NO progress in muscle strenght or mas you will jump higher and run faster.

Figure out what it is your doing and for what and figure oput a solid LONG TERM plan to get there

Great post Pro.X

Phill

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Crayon Time!

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That made me laugh, a lot.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
kobe4life08 wrote:
Phill wrote:
kobe4life08 wrote:
cuz im gonna buy the ultimate offseason manual and do the workouts. i dont wanna mess anything up by having a bad diet. so my diet should be consisted of eating alot, not cutting calories right (once im on the program that is)
Sure if you are needing to gain wieght. If you are needing to lose fat for your spot then no.

Phill

im needing to lose fat actually…not alot. so if im doin the offseason manual, i should be on a cutting diet if im looking to lose some fat? how am i gonna get faster or jump higher if im on a cutting diet while doing a program? dont i have to eat alot?

Crayon Time!

What are your goals and why do you seem to be so interested in jumping higher and running faster? Are you an athlete? Is this a Superman wannabe contest? Have you considered your SHORT TERM GOALS? Will those goals help you reach your LONG TERM GOALS? What the hell are your goals?

So far, you have claimed you want to run faster, jump higher, lose body fat, not eat much and you apparently want it all right now.

Has it occurred to you that you may need to approach these “random goals” of yours one at a time with a little more specificity?

How old are you?[/quote]

im 17 years old and am not by any means “fat” i weigh 195 pounds and am about 6"2 13% body fat. i need help with making goals, cuz it seems i make too many goals and fail. how do i split it up into small goals so my long term goal will be successful? i play basketball.

im starting college in september and have about 5 months of training and i want to make the most of it. i want to get stronger, faster, and jump higher.

[quote]kobe4life08 wrote:
im 17 years old and am not by any means “fat” i weigh 195 pounds and am about 6"2 13% body fat. i need help with making goals, cuz it seems i make too many goals and fail. how do i split it up into small goals so my long term goal will be successful? i play basketball.

im starting college in september and have about 5 months of training and i want to make the most of it. i want to get stronger, faster, and jump higher.

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The reason you were responded to like that is because you seem to have a very difficult time writing what you are thinking. Don’t forget to enroll in some creative writing classes. Beyond that, running faster and jumping higher may or may not go together with “adding significant muscular body weight”.

At 6’2" you are on the thin side…but so are most basketball players at the college level. To make it simple, you eat according to what you physically want to see in terms of progress. If you want to gain weight, of course you would eat more to do so.

If your plan is to jump higher and run faster ALONE, keeping calories near a level where your body weight stays around the same while working on your “jumping and running faster” is what you would do.

Do you want to gain any muscle mass on your lean frame of 6’2"? Are you already ‘fast’? If not, are your running sprints to get faster? If not, why not?

You make goals that help you get to your end goal. Those that help you get there are “short term” goals. I personally want to weigh a certain weight eventually at a much leaner body fat percentage.

However, to do that, I had to gain the level of muscle mass I desired first. That took several short term goals. the end goal would require dieting down after that weight was gained and the muscle is built to show off what I worked hard for.

No one can make up your goals for you. Obviously you can’t pull your body in two directions and expect it to respond and get the greatest result. You will more than likely not get significantly bigger, stronger, faster and leaner all at the same time at the greatest speed unless you are a rank beginner in the weight room. You have to pick those goals most important immediately to you and work towards them.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
kobe4life08 wrote:
im 17 years old and am not by any means “fat” i weigh 195 pounds and am about 6"2 13% body fat. i need help with making goals, cuz it seems i make too many goals and fail. how do i split it up into small goals so my long term goal will be successful? i play basketball.

im starting college in september and have about 5 months of training and i want to make the most of it. i want to get stronger, faster, and jump higher.

The reason you were responded to like that is because you seem to have a very difficult time writing what you are thinking. Don’t forget to enroll in some creative writing classes. Beyond that, running faster and jumping higher may or may not go together with “adding significant muscular body weight”.

At 6’2" you are on the thin side…but so are most basketball players at the college level. To make it simple, you eat according to what you physically want to see in terms of progress. If you want to gain weight, of course you would eat more to do so.

If your plan is to jump higher and run faster ALONE, keeping calories near a level where your body weight stays around the same while working on your “jumping and running faster” is what you would do.

Do you want to gain any muscle mass on your lean frame of 6’2"? Are you already ‘fast’? If not, are your running sprints to get faster? If not, why not?

You make goals that help you get to your end goal. Those that help you get there are “short term” goals. I personally want to weigh a certain weight eventually at a much leaner body fat percentage.

However, to do that, I had to gain the level of muscle mass I desired first. That took several short term goals. the end goal would require dieting down after that weight was gained and the muscle is built to show off what I worked hard for.

No one can make up your goals for you. Obviously you can’t pull your body in two directions and expect it to respond and get the greatest result. You will more than likely not get significantly bigger, stronger, faster and leaner all at the same time at the greatest speed unless you are a rank beginner in the weight room. You have to pick those goals most important immediately to you and work towards them.
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so im thinkin since i want to gain strength and jump higher, its better to first eat alot and train and then at the end go on a fat loss diet to burn the fat?

[quote]
kobe4life08 wrote:

so im thinkin since i want to gain strength and jump higher, its better to first eat alot and train and then at the end go on a fat loss diet to burn the fat? [/quote]

Let’s just make sure here. Do you want to gain strength or size?

-Cloth

i wanna gain strength

since im going to end basketball season in 2-3 weeks, i want to loss some more fat til then. then after season is over im gonna start the offseason manual and while im on that i want to get faster, jump higher and gain strength.

after im finished with that program i want to go back to the fat loss diet and lose some of that baby fat. how does this sound? and also isnt gaining strength the same as size? arent u gonna get bigger if u get stronger? if im wrong, then what diet is for getting stronger and whats for getting bigger?

Sigh… yes you will get bigger if you get stronger, but none of that is going to happen to any significant degree if you dont eat alot.

you can get stronger without gaining weight its like that with every new excercise you start if your not doing cleans and squats do them that will get you faster and will get your jump higher

how long have you been lifting?

more calories = more weight gain
less calories = weight lost
just enough calories = maintain weight

you can get stronger any of these ways just one of them takes a longer amount of time

[quote]n3wb wrote:
you can get stronger without gaining weight its like that with every new excercise you start if your not doing cleans and squats do them that will get you faster and will get your jump higher

how long have you been lifting?

more calories = more weight gain
less calories = weight lost
just enough calories = maintain weight

you can get stronger any of these ways just one of them takes a longer amount of time

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I think you need to make that more clear. You may get stronger by learning an exercise, however, without ever gaining any more muscle mass or muscular body weight, your strength gains will be limited.

im not new to lifting, been doin it for about a year. i jsut want to get my nutrition right. im 197 pounds right now, i want to be around 190-195 but stronger and leaner.

should i eat ALOT when i start my program? because i am going to be running and playing basketball while im on the program so im probably gonna need alot of calories.

after the program is over should i go on a fat loss diet to cut he baby fat?

you could always do a an online test to see exactly how much of what you need to gain but also grow…