Gym Numbers of MMA Fighters

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength. [/quote]

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

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[quote]VorteX wrote:
ZEB wrote:

And I am stating that your hypotheses is wrong!

Are we clear yet, or do we need another 5 or 6 posts?

Hey, I’m here write back…

:slight_smile:

You cannot prove a hypothesis wrong until it is tested.

I cannot test it, you cannot test it.

I still stand my ground. I am free to speculate on such matters.

We are clear that we disagree on this.

We agree he is a great champ regardless. Again it is a minor point (technique training is a much bigger component in prep), I was mainly just sharing the info.

This argument could rage accross the battlefields of hell for eternity, but…it won’t. I’m done on this.

The End. (I’m sure you will want the last word though)[/quote]

No, I’ll give you the last word on it.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength.

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

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I’m not arguing Sapp’s career, my point is that here’s the biggest guy in professional fighting (not counting the fat-ass Butterbeans and others). 350lbs of pure muscle and aggression. I’m sure he is/was the physically strongest guy in the sport. But that didn’t really help him once guys figured out his weakness. In this example, technique is more important than strength. Sapp scared guys to death in the beginning because of his size and fearless attitude. Once he got beat down a few times, the attitude changed. He suddenly wasn’t as intimidating. All the strength in the world wouldn’t keep Cro Cop from breaking his face. That’s what Sapp was all about, size and strength.

Like James Brown said “I don’t know karate, but I know crazy”, and crazy worked for Sapp for a little while.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength.

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

I’m not arguing Sapp’s career, my point is that here’s the biggest guy in professional fighting (not counting the fat-ass Butterbeans and others). 350lbs of pure muscle and aggression. I’m sure he is/was the physically strongest guy in the sport. But that didn’t really help him once guys figured out his weakness. In this example, technique is more important than strength. Sapp scared guys to death in the beginning because of his size and fearless attitude. Once he got beat down a few times, the attitude changed. He suddenly wasn’t as intimidating. All the strength in the world wouldn’t keep Cro Cop from breaking his face. That’s what Sapp was all about, size and strength.

Like James Brown said “I don’t know karate, but I know crazy”, and crazy worked for Sapp for a little while.

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Listen…you’re 18 and you can’t read for shit.

So telling you to go back and read my post carefully will do you no good.

P.S: I know you’ll come back with another post, and then another, and another, because after all, you’re building a place of your own on the internet, so I won’t argue with you.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

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Bob Sapp started out in Pride, not K-1. He went to K-1 after losing to Nog. He beat Hoost twice which is no joke, but his hitting during referee breaks was total bullshit that he could sometimes get away with because he was popular. He was of mediocre talent and was promoted like crazy.

He has no heart and has embarassed himself in recent fights. The Bob Sapp era took K-1 from the premier fighting league in the world to a damn circus.

Styles make fights, and he was a good match up for Nog, but calling him an “MMA Powerhouse” is pretty ignorant, unless being a powerhouse entails pummeling 200 pound Japanese fighters and losing to the only top ranked guys he fought.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength.

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

I’m not arguing Sapp’s career, my point is that here’s the biggest guy in professional fighting (not counting the fat-ass Butterbeans and others). 350lbs of pure muscle and aggression. I’m sure he is/was the physically strongest guy in the sport. But that didn’t really help him once guys figured out his weakness. In this example, technique is more important than strength. Sapp scared guys to death in the beginning because of his size and fearless attitude. Once he got beat down a few times, the attitude changed. He suddenly wasn’t as intimidating. All the strength in the world wouldn’t keep Cro Cop from breaking his face. That’s what Sapp was all about, size and strength.

Like James Brown said “I don’t know karate, but I know crazy”, and crazy worked for Sapp for a little while.

Listen…you’re 18 and you can’t read for shit.

So telling you to go back and read my post carefully will do you no good.

P.S: I know you’ll come back with another post, and then another, and another, because after all, you’re building a place of your own on the internet, so I won’t argue with you. [/quote]

Whoah, slown down hot-rod. I think you have me confused with someone else. What’s the argument? I’m 36 with a Bachelor’s Degree in English and a Masters in Aviation/Aerospace Management. I can read (but my spelling sometimes sucks). Where’s the hostility coming from?

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

I’m not arguing Sapp’s career, my point is that here’s the biggest guy in professional fighting (not counting the fat-ass Butterbeans and others). 350lbs of pure muscle and aggression. I’m sure he is/was the physically strongest guy in the sport. But that didn’t really help him once guys figured out his weakness. In this example, technique is more important than strength. Sapp scared guys to death in the beginning because of his size and fearless attitude. Once he got beat down a few times, the attitude changed. He suddenly wasn’t as intimidating. All the strength in the world wouldn’t keep Cro Cop from breaking his face. That’s what Sapp was all about, size and strength.

Like James Brown said “I don’t know karate, but I know crazy”, and crazy worked for Sapp for a little while.

[/quote]

Good post.

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i trained at crossfit norcal for a while, and they had several mma guys train there.

lots of cross-fit workouts, strongman strength endurance stuff like tire flips, heavy med ball carries, chain dragging, farmers walks, taking a laps with a 70lb heavy bag over the shoulder.

also did lots of explosive movements such as pc and power snatches, sprints with a weighted sled, and clap push ups, explosive chins, etc.

from an outsider looking in with no clue as to what it takes to be a MMa competitor, looked pretty good to me and seemed logical.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
andy bumphren wrote:

He’s doing a body part split, which might be optimal for bodybuilding.

It also may be optimal for mma. What makes you think that it’s not? Because it’s not in vogue to think such things?

Vortex suggested CW’s MMA routine.

yea…I know. Hughes would be lost if not for people like vortex.
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I think body-part splits are not efficient because they use excessive amounts of time to train every bodypart. Everyone seems to agree that training time is precious for MMA atheletes. Inevitably, on chest day, other extensors will be worked as well, but body-part splits disregard this fact, and choose to needlessly stimulate these other extensors “separately”.

True I have no idea how he actually trains, but I can say with confidence that body-part splits are designed for asthetics; this is the only logical reason why you would separate workouts by bodypart. Training for strength is done by movement. Training for strength by body part is absurb, because isolation movements cannot be safely used with heavy loads. One may have a weak chest within the confines of a bench press, but without such parameters it is impossible to state explicitly that one has a weak chest (unless you partake in the afformented absurb means of training), and therefore training by bodypart cannot be for strength.

You state that it is possible that he might have trouble maintaining muscle mass; this is a function of diet. The stimulus placed on muscle by exercise other than rapid, near-maximal, low repetition lifting is actually diminuative of sarcomere hypertrophy, which is identified as the most important type of hypertrophy for atheletes where relative strength is a factor (Siff 66, 67).

These aren’t superficial reasons why body-part split training is not optimal, they are REAL reasons, backed by science and not just rhetoric.

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[quote]andy bumphren wrote:

I think body-part splits are not efficient because they use excessive amounts of time to train every bodypart. Everyone seems to agree that training time is precious for MMA atheletes. Inevitably, on chest day, other extensors will be worked as well, but body-part splits disregard this fact, and choose to needlessly stimulate these other extensors “separately”.[/quote]

But you have no clue as to the type of training Hughes is doing. Other than he splits his body parts over a couple of days.

He might be doing some sort of training with short rest periods to simulate his sport.

That’s the problem with Internet advice…on all our parts. We just don’t have enough information.

Like I said above you don’t have a clue as to how he is doing what he is doing. But this is the Internet and we all have to comment…

Bull…someone better tell Ronnie Coleman that he has no strength.

Please stop this nonsense.

:slight_smile:

Who says he is using excessively heavy loads…? False assumption number…?

Oh I get it…it matters not how you train…loads, reps, sets time between sets…it’s all about diet.

LOL, shut up.

I’m sorry I couldn’t help it.

You have NO real reasons…no not one why Matt Hughes is training wrong.

Do you know why?

Because you don’t know how he is training other than he splits his routines.

Everything else that you state is a crude assumption.

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[quote]andy bumphren wrote:

I think body-part splits are not efficient because they use excessive amounts of time to train every bodypart. Everyone seems to agree that training time is precious for MMA atheletes. Inevitably, on chest day, other extensors will be worked as well, but body-part splits disregard this fact, and choose to needlessly stimulate these other extensors “separately”.[/quote]

But you have no clue as to the type of training Hughes is doing. Other than he splits his body parts over a couple of days.

He might be doing some sort of training with short rest periods to simulate his sport.

That’s the problem with Internet advice…on all our parts. We just don’t have enough information.

Like I said above you don’t have a clue as to how he is doing what he is doing. But this is the Internet and we all have to comment…

Bull…someone better tell Ronnie Coleman that he has no strength.

Please stop this nonsense.

:slight_smile:

Who says he is using excessively heavy loads…? False assumption number…?

Oh I get it…it matters not how you train…loads, reps, sets time between sets…it’s all about diet.

LOL, shut up.

I’m sorry I couldn’t help it.

You have NO real reasons…no not one why Matt Hughes is training wrong.

Do you know why?

Because you don’t know how he is training other than he splits his routines.

Everything else that you state is a crude assumption.

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[quote]Thad wrote:
Yes Tank can bench 600 and yes he got submitted in less than a minute by Frank Mir. The moral of the story is It Doesn’t Matter How Much They Bench![/quote]

Frank Mir went to my high school. Physical freak. He was full size and lifting absurd weights when he was a sophmore. Mir is a great example of skill and strength.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength.

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

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No Bob started out in Pride then went to K-1. I thought he would do much better in mma than kickboxing. Sapp was dangersous in the beginning. I think he didn’t really know what he was getting into. Now everybody who can hit hard knows that if you hit Bob hard he does not want to fight.
The fight with Nog was great. Though Nog will not “hurt” you. Fedor will hurt you. Mirko will hurt you. They gave Nastula Nog also. That was entertaining as well, but they would never have made Nastula fight Mirko or Fedor.

I don’t think he has had good results in K-1 or mma. It isn’t only he gets beaten it is how he gets beaten. He turns his back and looks like he wants to just disappear. He did beat Hoost in the beginning. He gets credit for that.

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This is really a pissing contest.

anyway, telling hughes how he is supposed to train is like telling Cro-Cop that he shouldn’t do static stretches because he’ll lose strength in his high kick.

Dumb.

Hell for all you know that is a snapshot of what he’s training like at the time. That’s 1 week out of 52…

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True but I can almost hear bas say “LIVER SHOT!” when he got dropped

[quote]otoko wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Remember this guy? Bob “The Beast” Sapp. 6’5", 350lbs. Failed NFL lineman. Took the MMA by storm…until smaller fighters figured out that all you had to do was kick him in the leg a few times.

Massive, aggressive, strong…but he doesn’t even fight any more. No technique. Watch his fights on google video. He tries to muscle everyone around. It worked at first, then the more skilled fighters started kicking his ass. Check out Cro Cop breaking Sapps orbital bone with a stand-up left hook. That’s the nastiest, hardest hit I’ve ever seen. MMA isn’t about gym strength.

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

No Bob started out in Pride then went to K-1. I thought he would do much better in mma than kickboxing. Sapp was dangersous in the beginning. I think he didn’t really know what he was getting into. Now everybody who can hit hard knows that if you hit Bob hard he does not want to fight.
The fight with Nog was great. Though Nog will not “hurt” you. Fedor will hurt you. Mirko will hurt you. They gave Nastula Nog also. That was entertaining as well, but they would never have made Nastula fight Mirko or Fedor.

I don’t think he has had good results in K-1 or mma. It isn’t only he gets beaten it is how he gets beaten. He turns his back and looks like he wants to just disappear. He did beat Hoost in the beginning. He gets credit for that. [/quote]

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[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
True but I can almost hear bas say “LIVER SHOT!” when he got dropped

That was a great body shot. Hoost was great. Especially that lead right, left hook, right low kick combination that he throws. So basic.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
andy bumphren wrote:

I think body-part splits are not efficient because they use excessive amounts of time to train every bodypart. Everyone seems to agree that training time is precious for MMA atheletes. Inevitably, on chest day, other extensors will be worked as well, but body-part splits disregard this fact, and choose to needlessly stimulate these other extensors “separately”.

But you have no clue as to the type of training Hughes is doing. Other than he splits his body parts over a couple of days.

He might be doing some sort of training with short rest periods to simulate his sport.

That’s the problem with Internet advice…on all our parts. We just don’t have enough information.

True I have no idea how he actually trains, but I can say with confidence that body-part splits are designed for asthetics;

Like I said above you don’t have a clue as to how he is doing what he is doing. But this is the Internet and we all have to comment…

Training for strength is done by movement.Training for strength by body part is absurb,

Bull…someone better tell Ronnie Coleman that he has no strength.

Please stop this nonsense.

:slight_smile:

because isolation movements cannot be safely used with heavy loads.

Who says he is using excessively heavy loads…? False assumption number…?

You state that it is possible that he might have trouble maintaining muscle mass; this is a function of diet.

Oh I get it…it matters not how you train…loads, reps, sets time between sets…it’s all about diet.

LOL, shut up.

I’m sorry I couldn’t help it.

These aren’t superficial reasons why body-part split training is not optimal, they are REAL reasons, backed by science and not just rhetoric.

You have NO real reasons…no not one why Matt Hughes is training wrong.

Do you know why?

Because you don’t know how he is training other than he splits his routines.

Everything else that you state is a crude assumption.

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You’re getting around my arguments by passing them off as mere speculation so I’ll state explicitly why body-part splits, regardless of their nature are not optimal for an athlete:

-Body-part splits are time consuming. Despite what special methods he may use, he is needless doing them several times per week.

Here are my references spelled out, since you completely ignored them:

Supertraining, p. 66:
“Except for a few sports, such as bodybuilding and sumo wrestling, in which an increased bodymass without greater relative strength may contribute to performance, sarcomere hypertrophy is far more important than sarcoplasmic hypertrophy in most atheletic activities.”

p. 67
“The data (Nikituk & Samoilov, 1990) shows that the longer and more strenuous the submaximal loading (but not the rapid, near maximal low-repetition load of Olympic weightlifting), the less there is sarcomere hypertrophy and the more there is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.”

If you piece this information together it spells out why type of training is optimal for MMA atheletes; rapid, near-maximal, low repetition lifting. Someone mentioned a fighter who trains with Louie Simmons, who does complexs: this is optimal, Chad Waterbury’s program is optimal, body-part splits: not optimal.

This information also explains why he doesn’t need a body-part split routine to promote growth, and that, if your speculation is correct (that he has trouble maintaining weight), it must be a function of diet.

From Matt Hughes’ website, his workout exactly:
“4:00 p.m. lift weights, no more than 1 hour”
Monday- Chest (I hate chest workouts, and if I don’t start the week with chest, I won’t do it).
Tuesday- Back
Wednesday- might take the day off (lift Saturday if I do), maybe arms.
Thursday- shoulders (always separate shoulders and chest as much as possible because they are both push muscles).
Friday- Arms
Saturday- Legs

Sets:
1st- 15 reps
2nd- 10-12 reps
3rd- no more than 6
4th- 10-12

4 exercises per bodypart"
www.matt-hughes.com/training.html

So you see his workout is a standard body-part split, and therefore not optimal. This workout could easily be consolodated into a simpler, and more effective program. True he does pyramid with each exercise into an intensity that certainly promotes sarcomere hypertrophy, but he is also wasting time and energy as well as not maximizing the benefits of his lifting.

I understand that conditioning and technique is where it’s at for fighters, and he does a lot of conditioning and must have great technique, but his lifting IS a sore spot.

Maybe next time dig a little, and you won’t be defending a losing argument with lack of evidence as your only premise.

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[quote]dl- wrote:
“First of all. All fighters…DONT even lift. PERIOD.”

i beleive you as far as most of them dont lift, but most of these guys are fucking jacked. how many NATURAL guys dont lift??

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:

There are so many wrong things with this post…

First of all, “smaller” fighter didn’t “figure out” they could kick his legs. Sapp started out in K-1, not in MMA, and K-1 is kickboxing, trust me…those people know all there is to know about leg kicks.

Second…in MMA, Sapp is a powerhouse. He gave Nog, the second best heavyweight in the world, the fight of his life, and even though Nog won, he looked like a train had ran him over.

All in all, for a brutish fighter Sapp has had good success in K-1 (contrary to expectations), and great success in MMA (as expected).

Many K-1 fighters feel that Sapp was a lot more dangerous when he first started out in K-1, and he had absolutely no technique. They feel that his new fighting style is a lot more predictable.

Bob Sapp started out in Pride, not K-1. He went to K-1 after losing to Nog. He beat Hoost twice which is no joke, but his hitting during referee breaks was total bullshit that he could sometimes get away with because he was popular. He was of mediocre talent and was promoted like crazy.

He has no heart and has embarassed himself in recent fights. The Bob Sapp era took K-1 from the premier fighting league in the world to a damn circus.

Styles make fights, and he was a good match up for Nog, but calling him an “MMA Powerhouse” is pretty ignorant, unless being a powerhouse entails pummeling 200 pound Japanese fighters and losing to the only top ranked guys he fought.[/quote]

Very, very good post. I don’t know what the hell is going on here or what fights you guys are watching but am I the only one that has seen Bob “The Beast” Sapp, full of anger and aggression, cower before the likes of Jerome LeBanner, Mirko Cro Cop, Ray Sefo, Fujita…

I mean, COME ON!!! DID ANY OF YOU SEE AT LEAST THE FUJITA FIGHT?! Sapp was on his back in the North/South Position with his legs in the air like a new born baby as Fujita stood above his head pummeling him into submission. The most pathetic thing I have ever seen…Even 70 year old Ken Sham-rock gave Fujita a hell of a fight…Hell, I’d even take the Sham over Sapp in an MMA fight.

Sapp never was and never will be an elite MMA fighter, and that’s the bottom line.

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[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
This is really a pissing contest.

anyway, telling hughes how he is supposed to train is like telling Cro-Cop that he shouldn’t do static stretches because he’ll lose strength in his high kick.

Dumb.

Hell for all you know that is a snapshot of what he’s training like at the time. That’s 1 week out of 52…

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Exactly!