And I am certainly not gonna waste my time thinking about my genes, which I have no influence on. I hope this explains things a little bit better, not that I owe you an explanation.
And another thing, what gives you the right to call me a moron.
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There’s your answer right there. For the fact that you bothered to post in a thread you care nothing about, on forums that dont really matter, to a guy you had no need to explain jack shit to.[/quote]
I am interested in this thread, I am just not gonna lose any sleep over my genes. I do visit this board from time to time, probably because I do find bodybuilding interesting. As for answering to a guy a I don’t need to explain to. You are one of the loud mouths here calling people morons, based on what? You know nothing about me, and other than the semantic interpretation of the word “hobby” I highly doubt your views of bodybuilding are any different from mine.
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Lol, one of the loud mouths? Be thankful the actual “Noob Predators” didnt get to you before i did, things wouldve been a lot worse. This is actually the first time ive spoken up against someone. And its quite evident our views on bodybuilding differ greatly, as i know there is a large chasm of a dividing line that differentiates between Simply weight lifting and Bodybuilding, as the term bodybuilding itself demands one’s entirety, something of which cant be truly produced if they do it as a hobby. Im sorry, its not enough.
I think Frahn-swah is confusing “hobby” with “lifestyle”.
Building knick-knacks out of clay on the weekend is a “hobby”.
Permanently altering your body, diet, finances (memberships, food, chiro, etc), and schedule every day of every week of every month of every year is a “lifestyle”.[/quote]
If I was a serious tennis player it would mean that I:
Have to watch what I eat since there are no fat tennis players
I would have to buy a racket, balls, shoes, membership to the club
Practice multiple times a week, perhaps daily
Does that mean that tennis is a lifestyle? I disagree, but again semantics.
Frahn-swah… damn you found out my real lifestyle which is: being a wedding planner! Just like you can’t chose your genes you also can’t chose your name and the many assumptions that sometimes come with it.
If I was a serious tennis player it would mean that I:
Have to watch what I eat since there are no fat tennis players
I would have to buy a racket, balls, shoes, membership to the club
Practice multiple times a week, perhaps daily
Does that mean that tennis is a lifestyle? I disagree, but again semantics.
Frahn-swah… damn you found out my real lifestyle which is: being a wedding planner! Just like you can’t chose your genes you also can’t chose your name and the many assumptions that sometimes come with it.[/quote]
Perhaps if you are playing tennis at the level where it’s consuming several hours of every day and all that goes along with it, one could argue that you live ‘the tennis lifestyle’. A bit more than ‘tennis on the weekend hobby’.
re: name – Don’t you pronounce ‘francois’ as ‘fran-swah’? No implication meant, I have relatives named “Francis”, but perhaps your a bit self-conscious about it.
Did T-Nation assign you that name or did you choose it?
If I was a serious tennis player it would mean that I:
Have to watch what I eat since there are no fat tennis players
I would have to buy a racket, balls, shoes, membership to the club
Practice multiple times a week, perhaps daily
Does that mean that tennis is a lifestyle? I disagree, but again semantics.
Frahn-swah… damn you found out my real lifestyle which is: being a wedding planner! Just like you can’t chose your genes you also can’t chose your name and the many assumptions that sometimes come with it.[/quote]
You = “not smart”.
This is a lifestyle for me, not a fucking hobby. My life does revolve around the gym. Granted, I am capable of focusing on my other responsibilities with little problem, but if you think people walk around looking like waylander, Bonez, kingbeef, myself or others without taking this way past “hobby” level, then yes, you are really fucking retarded for logging into this thread to tell us how we should think about our own training.
This is an activity that takes way more than minor focus to stand out the way we are discussing. This is NOT the thread for people who don’t care how much progress they make…or jackasses who don’t even understand the difference between contest ready and off season. To all of you so clueless as to log in here and dictate how those more serious should think and live…
I don’t really post in this forum anymore because I realized that guys in here were hardcore bodybuilding fanatics while I was just a general fitness guy not into modern bodybuilding. I still read advice from time to time. Afterall, if you want to learn about baseball, ask a baseball player not a football player. If you want to learn about getting huge, ask a huge guy, not a 180lb weakling.
I was always ready to blame everything else on why I sucked and kept getting injured for a couple years. I had bad genes, I wasn’t on steroids, etc, etc. It was basically just that I sucked and did stupid crap. In the end it doesn’t matter whether you use splits, fullbody, have an arms day, what day you work your shoulders, how many sets you do, it only matters that you give it 110% effort and eat plenty. The only people talking about bad genes should be those with physical disabilities.
Guys like Professor X et al have busted their asses to accomplish what they want. They’ve made far more progress than tons of “gym goers” including myself. They offer their advice when they don’t have to. Then people tell them how stupid they are. I didn’t like it when they set me straight, but I’m sure as hell glad they did. I would recommend anyone to either ask questions, read advice, or leave them alone.
If I was a serious tennis player it would mean that I:
Have to watch what I eat since there are no fat tennis players
I would have to buy a racket, balls, shoes, membership to the club
Practice multiple times a week, perhaps daily
Does that mean that tennis is a lifestyle? I disagree, but again semantics.
Frahn-swah… damn you found out my real lifestyle which is: being a wedding planner! Just like you can’t chose your genes you also can’t chose your name and the many assumptions that sometimes come with it.[/quote]
You = “not smart”.
This is a lifestyle for me, not a fucking hobby. My life does revolve around the gym. Granted, I am capable of focusing on my other responsibilities with little problem, but if you think people walk around looking like waylander, Bonez, kingbeef, myself or others without taking this way past “hobby” level, then yes, you are really fucking retarded for logging into this thread to tell us how we should think about our own training.
This is an activity that takes way more than minor focus to stand out the way we are discussing. This is NOT the thread for people who don’t care how much progress they make…or jackasses who don’t even understand the difference between contest ready and off season. To all of you so clueless as to log in here and dictate how those more serious should think and live…
Kindly fuck off.[/quote]
You assume a lot Mr. X, which makes an ass out of… My point was that pondering over whether or not you have the genetics to be big does not get you anywhere. I think this is probably why you started this thread in the first place.
I am also well aware that it takes a great amount of dedication to look like a real bodybuilder. That being said those who fret over their genetic predisposition probably don’t even work hard in the gym. I have worked out in gyms where national competitors train, I would be the last to speak lightly of their dedication. Perhaps I assumed too much by claiming it was a hobby for us all, which would make an ass out of me. But like I said,I highly doubt you stay up at night thinking of your genes.
Nevertheless, who do you think you are telling me to fuck off?
You assume a lot Mr. X, which makes an ass out of… [/quote]
No one had to assume anything, jackass. If you forgot, YOU were the one who logged in here to tell us that we aren’t living a lifestyle, just taking part in a part time “hobby”.
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My point was that pondering over whether or not you have the genetics to be big does not get you anywhere. I think this is probably why you started this thread in the first place.[/quote]
Yes, but let’s face it, you weren’t smart enough to leave it there.
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I am also well aware that it takes a great amount of dedication to look like a real bodybuilder. That being said those who fret over their genetic predisposition probably don’t even work hard in the gym. I have worked out in gyms where national competitors train, I would be the last to speak lightly of their dedication. Perhaps I assumed too much by claiming it was a hobby for us all, which would make an ass out of me. But like I said,I highly doubt you stay up at night thinking of your genes.
Nevertheless, who do you think you are telling me to fuck off?[/quote]
One of the Mods. If you continue to derail this thread, I will tell you to fuck off again and then delete your post.
I mean Fuck, honestly people? Shit like "Anyone saying ‘it’s best to get 30lbs heavier than what you want to be’ is an idiot. 30lbs of what? " Yea, 30lbs of Bodyhair. WHat the fuck do you think we are talking about?! You say that as if EVERY OLYMPIA COMPETITOR doesnt drop approx 20-60lbs every year pre competition. [/quote]
[quote]Francois1 wrote:
And I am certainly not gonna waste my time thinking about my genes, which I have no influence on.
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This isnt a wise approach. Someone with the bone structure/leverages to get little benefit from barbell bench pressing would be dumb to continue doing it over and over isntead of switching to dumbells. Same for barbell vs smith squats. Your genes do matter and should affect how you approach your precious hobby. You cant influence your genes but you absolutely need to take them into account when choosing how you train AND eat.
edit: that is all assuming that making progress is your goal and you treat your gym time as more than just a social getaway.
[quote]Francois1 wrote:
And I am certainly not gonna waste my time thinking about my genes, which I have no influence on.
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This isnt a wise approach. Someone with the bone structure/leverages to get little benefit from barbell bench pressing would be dumb to continue doing it over and over isntead of switching to dumbells. Same for barbell vs smith squats. Your genes do matter and should affect how you approach your precious hobby. You cant influence your genes but you absolutely need to take them into account when choosing how you train AND eat.
edit: that is all assuming that making progress is your goal and you treat your gym time as more than just a social getaway. [/quote]
You have to be aware, but not to the extent that it’s limiting you (this is for Francois1). It’d be worthless to try to drug up and match the size of national competitors, if your body doesn’t seem to respond like theirs did when they were at the same stage.
Prof X, I’m not back to discuss bodybuilding potential in your 30’s (sigh of relief)…
What I’d like to know is do you have any more plans to get very lean (single digits)? May be the wrong thread to discuss the question, but I’d be interested to know where you plan on taking your physique in the next few years?
[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Prof X, I’m not back to discuss bodybuilding potential in your 30’s (sigh of relief)…
What I’d like to know is do you have any more plans to get very lean (single digits)? May be the wrong thread to discuss the question, but I’d be interested to know where you plan on taking your physique in the next few years?[/quote]
I think this is the wrong thread…and short of people who know me or workout with me, I hate discussing what I PLAN to do before I am actually doing it. There was a lot of shit that came up this past year that side tracked my plans. Life itself can not be anticipated, and let’s face it, unless someone is winning the O, it isn’t like bodybuilding contests pay the bills.
[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Prof X, I’m not back to discuss bodybuilding potential in your 30’s (sigh of relief)…
What I’d like to know is do you have any more plans to get very lean (single digits)? May be the wrong thread to discuss the question, but I’d be interested to know where you plan on taking your physique in the next few years?[/quote]
I think this is the wrong thread…and short of people who know me or workout with me, I hate discussing what I PLAN to do before I am actually doing it. There was a lot of shit that came up this past year that side tracked my plans. Life itself can not be anticipated, and let’s face it, unless someone is winning the O, it isn’t like bodybuilding contests pay the bills.
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Burger meat was on sale that many weeks in a row, huh? Damn
[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Prof X, I’m not back to discuss bodybuilding potential in your 30’s (sigh of relief)…
What I’d like to know is do you have any more plans to get very lean (single digits)? May be the wrong thread to discuss the question, but I’d be interested to know where you plan on taking your physique in the next few years?[/quote]
I think this is the wrong thread…and short of people who know me or workout with me, I hate discussing what I PLAN to do before I am actually doing it. There was a lot of shit that came up this past year that side tracked my plans. Life itself can not be anticipated, and let’s face it, unless someone is winning the O, it isn’t like bodybuilding contests pay the bills.
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Burger meat was on sale that many weeks in a row, huh? Damn[/quote]
No need to argue about the meaning of the words, maybe Ronnie said that and I believe him. He trains because he likes it, not like some others that see training as a boring task. That is why he is one of the most favorite BB’s. But surely his entire life is centered around BB’ing obviously.
[quote]Francois1 wrote:
RONNIE COLEMAN used to say bodybuilding was HIS HOBBY.[/quote]
Ronnie was also a master of understatement: “light weight” for him would be like the ebola virus to most trainees. In other words, one dude’s hobby is another dude’s lifestyle. The problems begin when the hobbyists feel like they are in a position to argue. Without being too philosophical, that’s like standing at the base of a mountain and arguing with the guy who has reached the summit about what the view looks like, when all ‘ground guy’ has to go by is the postcard of the mountain-top he just bought from the gift shop.
The dude at the top isn’t wrong, because he has reached the top, experienced hardship and accomplished something. BUT…the guy at the bottom doesn’t consider himself in the wrong either because he thinks that he can see the view even though never actually saw it first-hand.
Sometimes gift shops sell postcards of lots of different mountains. Best not to assume you’re right until you’ve climbed the right mountain, seen the view and sniffed the air…