I’m not gonna lie: I put on loads of fat during my first bulk due to A) lack of intensity B) a clean but carb laden diet C) a fat rebound from being manorexic for two years.
In fact, I looked similar to this guy(with less face fat). It’s a shitty spot to be in that’s for sure. I cut to 169(from 197) and started anew but slower and smarter.
So, I have some shred of sympathy, as I’ve been there. However, I wasn’t as deluded as he was. I knew something had gone terribly wrong and that starting over was really the best option. Live a learn…
On a side note, that guy sure loves his “continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice”.
Thats NOTHING. We have had the T-Nation equivalent who posted his bulk pics here a few months back, if anyone remembers:
"For past 1.5 years of training, i have bulked up from 140 lbs to 177lbs @ 25% bf at 178cms. I have been following this site for about 6 months now and am greatly thankful to this site and authors for some very good articles and posts.
Overall, I am satisfied with the results (i no longer look skinny) except that my waist size has grown from 31 to 38.
I am wondering if it is healthy to continue bulking or its time to cut a bit? What are the options here?
My goal is ~210lbs @ sub 20ish."
Ha ha lol.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
I just found this classic thread on bb.com and thought it was hilarious (and a little bit sad). For those who haven’t seen this, take a look.[/quote]
[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
I’m not gonna lie: I put on loads of fat during my first bulk due to A) lack of intensity B) a clean but carb laden diet C) a fat rebound from being manorexic for two years.
In fact, I looked similar to this guy(with less face fat). It’s a shitty spot to be in that’s for sure. I cut to 169(from 197) and started anew but slower and smarter.
So, I have some shred of sympathy, as I’ve been there. However, I wasn’t as deluded as he was. I knew something had gone terribly wrong and that starting over was really the best option. Live a learn…
On a side note, that guy sure loves his “continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice”. [/quote]
I’m not picking on you so don’t take it that way, but I have to ask this. Did it not occur to you at some point that you were getting fatter than was justified by your gains?
You don’t “put on loads of fat” overnight. Why not just slow down some before it turns into “loads of fat?”
This is entirely avoidable and without even much fuss actually.
Will look for it, but I remember posting on that thread and putting this up before the idiot deleted his pictures from the thread.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Thats NOTHING. We have had the T-Nation equivalent who posted his bulk pics here a few months back, if anyone remembers:
Alquemist wrote:
I just found this classic thread on bb.com and thought it was hilarious (and a little bit sad). For those who haven’t seen this, take a look.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Rattler wrote:
The first time I started bulking, I wasn’t fully sucessful but I sure as hell did a lot better than that guy. I honestly feel bad for the guy.
My first time bulking I was pretty succesful I gained about 30 pounds and I dropped like 2-3% bodyfat. In like 7 months.
Aren’t you like 17? Not dogging you, but increased T levels during that time probably played a huge role. Mine didn’t hit till I turned 18, 25 lbs in 3 months, lol and I didn’t really change my eating much at all [/quote]
16, and the guy who failled at bulking is of similar age.
[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
What the fuck is up with making fun of people’s failures. How are you so perfect that you can mock someone like that.
Are you fucking kidding me? That kid took a whole YEAR of training and shitty diet and turned himself into a fat blob. How can anyone with a shred of common sense and intelligence fail to see a complete lack of progress liek that?
He also completely ignored anyones advice to keep on bulking but with a cleaner diet, cardio and new program, and instead went cutting and is now exactly back to square 1.
No I’m not fucking kidding you. Who cares that he failed, at least he fucking tried. That’s better than 98% of america’s 18 years old kids. What have you accomplished that gives you the right to judge people like that?
This phrase is overused, but what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, I hope that guy keeps trying and one day meets his goals.
Sorry for dragging this back in.[/quote]
Oh come on. Normally I agree it is classless to mock someone like that, but in this case I think it is perfectly warranted. He ‘bulked’ for a year while just getting fatter and thinking he was doing great. If you read his posts he is not even mildly shocked at his complete failure. When, a year and a half after starting a ‘bulk’, you still only bench press 135lb, there is something seriously wrong in your head if you don’t try and force yourself to add some fucking weight to the bar.
There are people who have made far more progress than him that have been flamed to hell.
He was dumb. He got what he deserved. I just hope he actually learns from that and lifts heavy weights.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
I’m not gonna lie: I put on loads of fat during my first bulk due to A) lack of intensity B) a clean but carb laden diet C) a fat rebound from being manorexic for two years.
In fact, I looked similar to this guy(with less face fat). It’s a shitty spot to be in that’s for sure. I cut to 169(from 197) and started anew but slower and smarter.
So, I have some shred of sympathy, as I’ve been there. However, I wasn’t as deluded as he was. I knew something had gone terribly wrong and that starting over was really the best option. Live a learn…
On a side note, that guy sure loves his “continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice”.
I’m not picking on you so don’t take it that way, but I have to ask this. Did it not occur to you at some point that you were getting fatter than was justified by your gains?
You don’t “put on loads of fat” overnight. Why not just slow down some before it turns into “loads of fat?”
This is entirely avoidable and without even much fuss actually.[/quote]
In hindsight, I see my stupidity. I didn’t monitor my weight or progress well enough. I fooled myself into thinking that I could follow a “clean” version of the See-Food diet. It didn’t really occur to me that I could get fat off of oats, peanutbutter, and chicken breast. Further, I didn’t really take into consideration that I was an FFB and had to go about “bulking” differently than others.
Here’s how my weight went:
1/1/04- ~240-245 pounds @ ~5’10"/5’11"
4/21/04- 197(no lifting, only running)
8/20/04- 150(“”)
1/1/06- 135-140 @ 6’1-6’2"(manorexia- 1.5-2hrs cardio daily, little food, lots of walking)
Spring 06’- began training(not too intense)
12/25/06- 197
Poor guy. I made the same mistake as him when I was 19. I “bulked up” from 140 to 190 lbs in just 5 months. Believe it or not, I honestly didn’t realize what I was doing to myself, I was so intent on getting bigger, and I genuinely believed I was gaining mostly muscle. The big realization/shock only came when I bought a new camera.
I decided to take a few progress pictures to see where I was, and I cannot begin to describe the absolute shock and horror I felt when I saw those pictures. I didn’t look ANYTHING like what I saw when I looked in the mirror – I don’t understand how it works, but the mirror can DEFINITELY lie.
In both this guy’s case and that of my own, I mostly attribute the bulking failure to a shitty diet. Too many bad carbs, to be specific. I ate a ton of bread with lunch meat, and that guy ate a ton of rice. Bad idea.
Too many people misunderstand bulking. If you eat a caloric surplus, time the right nutrients at the right hours, rest properly and make enough muscle damage and progression, there’s no reason for that image to happen.
I was 17 when I started a bulk from 170 to 220 pounds, it just took about 8 months to increase that weight. How much was muscle? how much was fat? I really don’t know, but I cut down and was in pretty decent shape, at a lower bodyfat percentage than when I started, at 180 (maybe I just gained 10 pounds of solid muscle tissue during those 8 months). I didn’t look that horrible when I was 220, but I could’ve been 200 at that time with the same muscle mass and with no excuse.
Many people see bulking as an opportunity to eat whatever they want. That kid’s diet didn’t look so bad on paper, but I don’t think he would have looked like that if he followed it. He surely instead ate like crap almost all the time, let’s be honest. Other thing is that many people confuse weight with muscle mass. That kid was 91 kg, some people may say heaaavy, ok right, but at 6’2" and looking like that? he’ll undoubtedly lose some muscle while cutting and return where he started (ok, maybe 2.5 heavier), where he’ll be a scrawny 140lb 6’2" “bodybuilder”.
To increase muscle mass to a significant degree you should eat a significant surplus, but common sense tells a person that something’s wrong when people tell him “you’re fat” instead of “you’re jacked”.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
<<< I was 17 >>>
Jesus, the guy who failed at bulking was in that age group too.
Irrelevant much?[/quote]
I have found many first time bulkers, most on that particular age group, who have failed at it. Some have learned the lesson, some haven’t and keep eating what they want. However, if a pic of me had been taken for a poster, I would never have looked like that.
At that time I thought it was easy to gain muscle; eat a bloat load of food, lift (I didn’t lift heavy weights so I can’t say that), and sleep. By the time I was 220 I really felt that I could come 180 or even 190 peeled onstage. The truth would have been what 160?
Probably my fault that this thread got drug up since I linked it in my thread, but to be fair to this poor kid… my first bulk went the way of chubby as well.
Not nearly as bad as this kid, but nobody gets it right the first time.
Yo, the kid’s fucking ripped! But seriously, when I first stepped into a gym, not only did I not have this site but I had no training knowledge, nothing. I was 175 at 6’2" and skinny as fuck. I wanted to get big after that and for the first 4 months, I ate 5 cans of tuna a day, no carbs, nothing, just tuna. Needless to say, I gained little weight and didn’t look like I was trying. This kid has more resources and should use them better but he fucked up once, he can just learn from it and try again.
Yeah, it’s a failed bulk, but we all fail at something sometimes. I’ve been failing for the last 3 months to bench more. I’ll just keep learning, trying, and overcoming. Hopefully this kid will, too
