Your Clean Bulk Gains

Jacob from new moon is Hyuuuge!!!

Okay not really, but I did think it was fairly impressive that he put on 30lbs of lean mass in a year. Now a lot of it probably has to do with his age and naturally putting on weight, but I’m curious how much lean muscle mass serious lifters on this site have been able to put on without doing a serious bulk and putting on a lot of fat?

I’ve always bulked to gain weight and never tried gaining a significant amount of muscles while trying not to gain fat, so I’d be interested in hearing what fellow T-Nationers have accomlished with minimal fat gain as their goal.

Anyone here doing clean bulks, if so care to post your results?

Anyone who gained A LOT of fat on a bulk did it wrong. Just putting that out there before this thread gets out of hand or doesn’t.

I’m not exactly a ‘clean bulk’ guy, but I’ll tell you how I’ve done it. Started Nov '08 @ 29% bf and 182lbs and 33 years of age. Now I’m 21% bf @ 215lbs. Which, in layman’s terms, means that I’ve lost about 8lbs of fat while gaining 41lbs of muscle. Not lean, but now I’m ‘chunky’ rather than ‘chubby’, lol.

Water retention, newbie gains, yadda, yadda, yadda. I know all that, but I’m happy. At least people are giving me compliments for my size now. For the first year I followed Thib’s advice like it was gospel- I drank bottled water (because of the oestrogen in tap water), put cinnamon on my food (because it makes it more anabolic or something), avoided soya (don’t think this was Thibs, but I definitely read it on T-Nation- again, it’s supposedly full of oestrogen or some shit) and my PWO meal consisted of two tins of tuna, a protein shake, a banana and an apple (because someone had asked him what the optimal PWO meal was and his answer was along the lines of “80g protein, 2 pieces of fruit and a handful of almonds, plus 2 fish oil caps”). I GOT NOWHERE FAST. I even gave up going to the gym for two separate periods of 4 months each time, so pissed off I was at my lack of progress.

Now I’m not blaming Thibs EVEN 1% for this. “I” was at fault. I was focussing on the minutiae of lifting, which would make a 5% difference to an experienced lifter, whereas I was a complete newb. My trainer was also much to blame. When I told him that I was interested in hypertrophy, he put me on a bunch of machines for 2 sets of 15 reps. He even lied to me and said that THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE DONE, after I asked why I wasn’t squatting, deadlifting or doing a 5x5 program. And he claimed to be a former amateur bodybuilder.

So, for the past 6 months I have listened to the big men on this forum. I have read time and again Prof X saying that you need to hit the gym 5-6 days a week, eat enough to grow and lift heavy to get big, and so I decided that that’s exactly what I was gonna do. Nowadays I eat bread after my workout, coz I like it and it works for me. If I feel like a pizza, I have one. I don’t eat meat, so I started eating soya products again. Have I grown tits? No, but my chest has gotten more developed and my bench improves all the time. My program could’ve been taken straight from Brick’s Bible thread- One or two compound movements, with one or two isolation movements per body part. I train each body part on its own (A la Prof X), hit the gym at least 5 days a week and I try to lift heavier each time. I firmly believe that if you lift heavy weights 5-6 days a week, eat enough to grow and not be anal about fat gain, then you will add muscle. Plus, your metabolism will be so fast that you will probably lose a few lbs of fat as well. I’ve also only just started doing cardio for 20 mins at a time after my afternoon sessions because it’ll soon be summer and I would like to accelerate my fat loss while still adding muscle.

Anyway, I know I’m probably not who you had in mind when you asked the question, but this is what’s worked for me and I’m gonna carry on doing it 'til it doesn’t.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Anyone who gained A LOT of fat on a bulk did it wrong. Just putting that out there before this thread gets out of hand or doesn’t. [/quote]
Agreed, but the concensus around here seems to be that you shouldn’t worry too much about putting on fat, which I agree with if you are to make optimal gains. However I have heard people arguing in these forums regarding whether or not you should worry about gaining fat while bulking. I would like to know if anyone here actually attempts to maintain single digit body fat while gaining size?

I was a bit surprised that Jacob’ (still dont know the kids real name) trainer kept him lean all year round and apparently kept his calories under 3,000 even on training days, yet was trying to get him as muscular as possible, and managed to add 30lbs to his frame. Honestly if someon asked me if they could add 30 lbs of lean mass to their frame in a year without “bulking” I probably would have told them no. So I obvious am not very knowledgeable regarding how much weight can be put on while staying lean.

I think that if you consistently eat a ton of clean calories, you will put on lean muscle mass and minimal fat over time. That probably sounds obvious and simplifies a somewhat complicated process, but I truly believe that thats what it comes down to. If you consistently, day in and day out, put down tons of good carbs, lean proteins, healthy fats, and fibrous vegetables and fruits, you will get the results you want.

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Jacob from new moon is Hyuuuge!!!

Okay not really, but I did think it was fairly impressive that he put on 30lbs of lean mass in a year. Now a lot of it probably has to do with his age and naturally putting on weight, but I’m curious how much lean muscle mass serious lifters on this site have been able to put on without doing a serious bulk and putting on a lot of fat?

I’ve always bulked to gain weight and never tried gaining a significant amount of muscles while trying not to gain fat, so I’d be interested in hearing what fellow T-Nationers have accomlished with minimal fat gain as their goal.

Anyone here doing clean bulks, if so care to post your results?
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If a beginner is not gaining upwards of 20-30lbs of mostly muscle the first year when starting off where that guy did, then their genetics either suck ass or they don’t know what the hell they are doing.

Ummm which ones Jacob… Nobody in that movie (previews I havn’t seen it) looked like they picked up a weight.

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Jacob from new moon is Hyuuuge!!!

Okay not really, but I did think it was fairly impressive that he put on 30lbs of lean mass in a year. Now a lot of it probably has to do with his age and naturally putting on weight, but I’m curious how much lean muscle mass serious lifters on this site have been able to put on without doing a serious bulk and putting on a lot of fat?

I’ve always bulked to gain weight and never tried gaining a significant amount of muscles while trying not to gain fat, so I’d be interested in hearing what fellow T-Nationers have accomlished with minimal fat gain as their goal.

Anyone here doing clean bulks, if so care to post your results?
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A lot of your question is ambiguous. None of us know what you consider a “clean” bulk. In my experience, however, most guys who ask about a clean bulk or generally throw that term around actually mean a lean bulk and except for a few genetic anomalies, no such animal exists. Your body is not primed for growth if you try to keep single digit bodyfat levels.

Generally speaking, unless you have been larger and more muscular before and maintained it for a considerable amount of time so that muscle memory comes into play or you already have a high bodyfat level and relatively little muscle mass, you are going to gain some fat along with the muscle. In my mind, I see those two cases as more of a body composition change than a bulk.

If you show me anyone over 200lbs who is making gains on a CLEAN BULK i’ll deposit 300 dollars on your account

I didn’t do a “clean bulk” but I have gained from 130 to 207 so far. I will be training 2 years at the end of August.

I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

I’m gonna have to disagree. For some reason, I just have to doubt that alcohol and bedtimes are the only factors regarding fat gain… If that were the case, than how come we have fat kids in our schools?? Bedtimes and presumably no alcohol.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

Huh?

This post is the best definition of the term “out of left field” I have seen in a LONG time.

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

Huh?

This post is the best definition of the term “out of left field” I have seen in a LONG time. [/quote]

What? If you drink a lot you get too many carbs, will probably go get some more food to eat later (fast food) and stay up later and get hungover making you less likely to go to the gym and/or work hard which will hurt your gains

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp and not out of left field as you put it in a thread about gaining cleanly

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

Huh?

This post is the best definition of the term “out of left field” I have seen in a LONG time. [/quote]

What? If you drink a lot you get too many carbs, will probably go get some more food to eat later (fast food) and stay up later and get hungover making you less likely to go to the gym and/or work hard which will hurt your gains

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp and not out of left field as you put it in a thread about gaining cleanly

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Yeah. And whatever you have done so far has obviously worked well for you.

In case you missed it, that’s called sarcasm.

Unless I misread, I didn’t see anything where the OP made any reference to partying, drinking and staying out late. That means your comment was out of left field.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

Huh?

This post is the best definition of the term “out of left field” I have seen in a LONG time. [/quote]

What? If you drink a lot you get too many carbs, will probably go get some more food to eat later (fast food) and stay up later and get hungover making you less likely to go to the gym and/or work hard which will hurt your gains

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp and not out of left field as you put it in a thread about gaining cleanly

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Its out of left field because theres so much more to it than just limiting alcohol and going to bed at 11pm. Youre not talking to a bunch of 6 year olds.

SOOO many more variables involved. We all know your post history. You say crazy things. It’s ok. Do youre thing. But dont derail a potentially helpful thread with “go to bed before 11 or you’ll get fat”.

I really don’t understand the issue with this clean/lean bulking stuff.

surplus of calories (mostly protein…der) + lift heavy weights = SWOLENESS

A bulk is a bulk. If you wanna make it harder on yourself than it needs to be, go right ahead but don’t make a topic about your how you failed in the long run…please.

(and that’s not aimed at anyone in particular)

[quote]GVkid wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

I’m gonna have to disagree. For some reason, I just have to doubt that alcohol and bedtimes are the only factors regarding fat gain… If that were the case, than how come we have fat kids in our schools?? Bedtimes and presumably no alcohol.[/quote]

Those “fat kids” arent training their asses off. Everything they gain is fat because they didnt do any resistance training.

Anyway, I wont post anymore ITT: but I will again say that if you want to minimize fat gain dont party/drink.

OP didnt say what he does or does not do in regards to alcohol so this could be a big factor for him.

I hate all thread mentioning Jabob, Brad pitt, the guy in spiderman, etc.

Those thread always tend to lead to the conclusion that girl prefer guy with a 6 packs and 14 inch ripped arms, no need to be bigger or lift heavy etc.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think that if you don’t drink any alcohol and are in bed by 11pm you should be totally fine as regards to fat gain.

Once you start partying a lot, drinking tons of alcohol and staying up to 1 or 2 in the morning then you will start having problems.[/quote]

Huh?

This post is the best definition of the term “out of left field” I have seen in a LONG time. [/quote]

What? If you drink a lot you get too many carbs, will probably go get some more food to eat later (fast food) and stay up later and get hungover making you less likely to go to the gym and/or work hard which will hurt your gains

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp and not out of left field as you put it in a thread about gaining cleanly
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If thats the case then why is The Situation so jacked?!?

.greg.

EDIT: (this was a joke… sarcasm doesn’t work so well on the internet. There should be a sarcasm font or something)