CT,
I currently train in the morning about an hour after waking (only time to train). What kind of meal would be the best at this time? I usually have oats and a WPC shake with milk. Also, since I have to set an alarm just to be able to train, I feel pretty drowsy until half way through the workout which I’m sure isn’t maximising my performance. I sometimes have coffee but would rather not drink it. What could I take to go into the workout more amped up?
Thib,
Do you consider veggies free carbs? 1 cup of raw broccoli has 6 g of carbs. If I was doing carb cycling, wouldn’t I have to take that into consideration when eating a salad even with no dressings?
Shouldn’t fish oil only be taken late afternoon and evenings since it’s a fat? I noticed a lot of people taking 3 flameouts with their breakfast.
CT,
Was wondering if you could give an example of what you would eat on your low-protein day? Considering 50% of my calories would normally come from protein, do I just cut that number in half? From say 230g of protein to 115g then just eat whatever macros I normally would?
So from 1.25g/lb protein + 60-80g fat and low carb to .675g/lb protein and 60-80g fat?
My goal is to lose BF while optimizing anabolism.
Thanks!
CT I read this in an old thread where you wrote [i/]"Former Fat Boy… the term was coined by Chris Shugart to define someone who, for a long time in his youth was fat.
‘‘In his youth’’ is very important because during that period the body, when fed badly with a lot of junk, can add additional fat cells which can only be removed by liposuction.
The more fat cells you have, the easier it is to gain fat (more storage room) and the harder it is to lose the fat. You CAN empty the fat cells when dieting down/exercising but you can’t remove the fat cells.
I mentioned the youth factor as being important, because during adulthood, fat cell hyperplasia (adding fat cells) only occur under EXTREME cases of fat gain (e.g. going from normal to morbidly obese). Simply gaining 30-50lbs of fat in adults isn’t likely to lead to fat cell hyperplasia, only fat cell hypertrophy.
This is why proper nutrition and physical activity are so important when you are young. "[/i]
How serious do you think the affects would have been on hyperplasia of fat cells if a child starting gaining extra fat around 7-8 years old, got significantly over wieght (12 years old, ~5’6, 135lb), and then got very skinny by the time he was 14 (5’9 and 120lb). Never being obese but clearly overweight for a few years would the hyperplasia significantly increase the number of fat cells from this?
[quote]brmnstl wrote:
Thanks for the reply and I do understand the T3 to T4 conversion and that makes sense with being cold and I have tried the basal temperature test in the AM.
One question with the temp. test most say not to move or even wake up with an alarm clock because even that small amount will throw the test off.
Is that true or am I doing a little paralysis by analysis with this one and it really doesn’t matter as long as you are laying down still and do it upon waking.
Also do you reccomend the 5 day test like Duchaine and others reccomend.
A slight increase in carbs would be to typically start at 50 grams in the AM a day?? then retest for a couple of days?
thanks for being so helpful[/quote]
The recommendation not to move or have an alarm clock is mostly for the resting heart rate test, not for the body temp one.
A slight increase in carbs would be 0.75g per pound.
[quote]tomkade wrote:
Thib,
Do you consider veggies free carbs? 1 cup of raw broccoli has 6 g of carbs. If I was doing carb cycling, wouldn’t I have to take that into consideration when eating a salad even with no dressings?
Shouldn’t fish oil only be taken late afternoon and evenings since it’s a fat? I noticed a lot of people taking 3 flameouts with their breakfast.[/quote]
Green veggies, yes. Well they are not free, but almost. Their carbs is mostly fiber. And a good proportion of them is not absorbed. Counting them would be slitting hair.
Don’t be so anal.
[quote]skohcl wrote:
CT,
Was wondering if you could give an example of what you would eat on your low-protein day? Considering 50% of my calories would normally come from protein, do I just cut that number in half? From say 230g of protein to 115g then just eat whatever macros I normally would?
So from 1.25g/lb protein + 60-80g fat and low carb to .675g/lb protein and 60-80g fat?
My goal is to lose BF while optimizing anabolism.
Thanks![/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
skohcl wrote:
CT,
Was wondering if you could give an example of what you would eat on your low-protein day? Considering 50% of my calories would normally come from protein, do I just cut that number in half? From say 230g of protein to 115g then just eat whatever macros I normally would?
So from 1.25g/lb protein + 60-80g fat and low carb to .675g/lb protein and 60-80g fat?
My goal is to lose BF while optimizing anabolism.
Thanks!
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
C
How serious do you think the affects would have been on hyperplasia of fat cells if a child starting gaining extra fat around 7-8 years old, got significantly over wieght (12 years old, ~5’6, 135lb), and then got very skinny by the time he was 14 (5’9 and 120lb). Never being obese but clearly overweight for a few years would the hyperplasia significantly increase the number of fat cells from this?[/quote]
Yes it would.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
skohcl wrote:
CT,
Was wondering if you could give an example of what you would eat on your low-protein day? Considering 50% of my calories would normally come from protein, do I just cut that number in half? From say 230g of protein to 115g then just eat whatever macros I normally would?
So from 1.25g/lb protein + 60-80g fat and low carb to .675g/lb protein and 60-80g fat?
My goal is to lose BF while optimizing anabolism.
Thanks!
Right, I guess lose less muscle is what I meant 
Thanks!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
C
How serious do you think the affects would have been on hyperplasia of fat cells if a child starting gaining extra fat around 7-8 years old, got significantly over wieght (12 years old, ~5’6, 135lb), and then got very skinny by the time he was 14 (5’9 and 120lb). Never being obese but clearly overweight for a few years would the hyperplasia significantly increase the number of fat cells from this?
Yes it would.[/quote]
Hm, well that sucks. I know it’s hard to put numbers or anything too specific on things like this but would that result in a much harder time getting lean and staying lean or would it just mean another few weeks of cutting overall?
In the past you were obviously overweight but I think never really over 20% or so. Do you feel you had any significant effects of fat cell hyperplasia or were you not overweight until you were older so it didn’t really matter?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
As you mention, its hard to be specific. But if someone has too many fat cells it would be next to impossible to really get super shredded. With a lot of effort one could get lean, with okay definition and abs, but rarely reach contest-level conditioning.
But its hard to pinpoint exactly what level of ‘‘child fatness’’ would prevent one from being able to reach contest-level shape.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Well first of all, I was never fat as a kid. When I was 14 I was 135lbs on 5’6’’ and at 17 I was 169lbs on 5’8’'. I only became fat at around 18-19 when I decided to ‘bulk up’. So I never really stimulated fat cell hyperplasia.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
To the best of my recollection (greatly helped by the high school and college football yearbooks that I still have) my weight evolved as such (top weight for each age only):
14: 135lbs
15: 153lbs
16: 165lbs
17: 173lbs
18: 188lbs
19: 215lbs
20: 225lbs
21: 212lbs
22 - 24: 207-215 (competing in olympic lifting)
25: 235 (fattest point)
Then my ‘bodybuilding years’ began during which my ‘in shape’ weight varied from 195 (stage shape) to 225lbs (still with abs). During the ‘bodybuilding years’ I reached top weights of 253lbs (in 2006 but I was at 15% body fat) and 242 (still with abs) at the conclusion of my I, Bodybuilder experiment (although I ‘dieted down’ to around 228 in the pics from the article).
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
As you mention, its hard to be specific. But if someone has too many fat cells it would be next to impossible to really get super shredded. With a lot of effort one could get lean, with okay definition and abs, but rarely reach contest-level conditioning.
But its hard to pinpoint exactly what level of ‘‘child fatness’’ would prevent one from being able to reach contest-level shape.
pumped340 wrote:
Well first of all, I was never fat as a kid. When I was 14 I was 135lbs on 5’6’’ and at 17 I was 169lbs on 5’8’'. I only became fat at around 18-19 when I decided to ‘bulk up’. So I never really stimulated fat cell hyperplasia.
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Kind of a kick to the nuts about the contest shape thing. It’s weird though, I specifically remember that when I was in 5th grade I was 119 pounds and that was my fatest, however I was always one of the taller kids…maybe 5’3-4 at that time (hard to remember). Thats when I started dieting and by 6th grade I was significantly thinner, although i remember being 135lb so clearly I got taller but couldn’t have been more than 5’7 or so (I know I was 5’10 in 8th grade). Yet your saying you weren’t fat at 14 at 135lb. on 5’6 so unless you had way more muscle or something there’s some discrepancy. I played a lot of sports too so its not like I had absolutely no muscle. Were you “pudgy”?
Maybe I was never “fat” but I was certainly overweight in pictures I see with a lot of gut to grab and a pudgy face. Like I said about 5’3-4 @ 119 and 5’ 6-7 at 135lb.
Sorry if this picture hurts anyones eyes lol, thats about my 135lb. or so, so my “fattest” was a little more than that.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
As you mention, its hard to be specific. But if someone has too many fat cells it would be next to impossible to really get super shredded. With a lot of effort one could get lean, with okay definition and abs, but rarely reach contest-level conditioning.
But its hard to pinpoint exactly what level of ‘‘child fatness’’ would prevent one from being able to reach contest-level shape.
pumped340 wrote:
Well first of all, I was never fat as a kid. When I was 14 I was 135lbs on 5’6’’ and at 17 I was 169lbs on 5’8’'. I only became fat at around 18-19 when I decided to ‘bulk up’. So I never really stimulated fat cell hyperplasia.
Kind of a kick to the nuts about the contest shape thing. It’s weird though, I specifically remember that when I was in 5th grade I was 119 pounds and that was my fatest, however I was always one of the taller kids…maybe 5’3-4 at that time (hard to remember). Thats when I started dieting and by 6th grade I was significantly thinner, although i remember being 135lb so clearly I got taller but couldn’t have been more than 5’7 or so (I know I was 5’10 in 8th grade). Yet your saying you weren’t fat at 14 at 135lb. on 5’6 so unless you had way more muscle or something there’s some discrepancy. I played a lot of sports too so its not like I had absolutely no muscle. Were you “pudgy”?
Maybe I was never “fat” but I was certainly overweight in pictures I see with a lot of gut to grab and a pudgy face. Like I said about 5’3-4 @ 119 and 5’ 6-7 at 135lb.
Sorry if this picture hurts anyones eyes lol, thats about my 135lb. or so, so my “fattest” was a little more than that.
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I don’t think that you’re a lost cause… although you must have been very lonely when you were 14.
Coach Thib,
This may be slightly off topic, but I was wondering if I have to cycle L-Leucine. I had been using Biotest’s L-Leucine sipplement for the past three months, using the WSFSB program. I still have a full tub remaining, I am curious to know if it begins to loose it’s effect after excessive use.
BTW, my protocol for taking it was 5g 10 min before breakfast, and 5g with my post-workout shake.
I am about to begin a new routine, so would it be alright to keep taking it?
Odd question, every once in awhile I go to all you can eat wing nights. I usually consume around 50 wings with more protein than I eat in any other single meal. Is there anything I can do to make this meal more anabolic? Such as consuming 5g leucine beforehand or BCAA’s?
Thanks
CT-
Since I weigh around 170lbs, according to your guidelines you’ve provided for mass gain I would need roughly:
215g carbs
215g protein
80-90g of fat
If I eat 5 meals per day outside of the Para-workout nutrition, how would you break up the nutrient composition of each meal? Should I just divide the above numbers by 5 and eat that much at each meal or should break it down a different way?
Thanks,
Darian
OMG Thibs hates me 
[quote]ddelmast wrote:
CT-
Since I weigh around 170lbs, according to your guidelines you’ve provided for mass gain I would need roughly:
215g carbs
215g protein
80-90g of fat
If I eat 5 meals per day outside of the Para-workout nutrition, how would you break up the nutrient composition of each meal? Should I just divide the above numbers by 5 and eat that much at each meal or should break it down a different way?
Thanks,
Darian
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You could do that… or ingest the carbs in the first two meals of the day and the fat in the other 2. And if you want to be really anal about it ingest one third of the carbs at breakfast, one third in the meal 90 minutes after your workout, and spread the rest throughout the remaining 3 meals.