As a beginner that’s trying to lose some fat (and maybe gain some muscle), that has a very basic home gym with pretty light weight, probably 60-70kg, are deadlifts a waste of time verses something like a bent over row or t bar row on pull day? My schedule has opened up a bit so I should now be able to do 2 days a week for each group. Would I be better to do the bent over row on day A and t bar or day B? I won’t be able to progress in weight with the deadlift due to the limited amount of weight I have.
I have run starting strength a long long time ago and got to 120kg for reps in I think 4-5 months so in theory I’d get to 70kg fairly quickly, granted im cutting calories at the moment.
Blame Dr Mike for the question! Made it sound like for size alone deadlifts aren’t worth the effort vs targeted exercises
For the first 5 years I lifted weights I never did any deadlifts. I only started them when I decided to compete in powerlifting. Also, note through all of the 1970’s very few people I knew every deadlifted at all. The only ones I can think of were those of us who competed in powerlifting.
One exercise that I did do was barbell cleans (mostly hanging cleans.) Doing only barbell cleans made deadlifts come much easier when I did try them. I pulled in the mid-400lbs the first day I tried the deadlift. I don’t remember the precise weight.
Even in the 1980’s the deadlift was performed by very, very few people who lifted weights.
Whether deadlifts are necessary is one discussion. In his situation I do not see the point.
He is 6’2, 200 lbs. and has deadlifted 120 kg for reps. What is the point of deadlifting 70 kg? Has he lost so much strength that 70 kg is a max effort weight?
The deadlift is a hip hinge: the row is a row. I don’t see them replacing each other. I would want SOME form of hip hinge in a program. If not the deadlift, then something else.
To be fair it was a long time ago and I have lost a decent amount of strength. Off the top of my head I think I did 60kg for 7 or 8 reps on Tuesday. I’m still getting back in the groove! But realistically if I can’t already lift all the weight I own it wouldn’t take very long
I’ll look into them. My intention is to get an Olympic barbell set again before before the end of the year, hopefully. I had a bar with 140kg about 7 years ago before my daughter was born.
In the past, there was lots of lifting gear on the used market, FB marketplace or CL. The bands are a good idea, but with only 70kg, I’d skip them for now. I start my warmups at 225 lbs (~100Kg) because much under that weight and I can’t perform them the same way I would with heavier weight. No sense in warming up with a different movement pattern than my working sets IMO.
Yea I’ll have to look. I can collect within reason but I’m not sure a 6ft bar would fit in my car.
I can’t believe how much prices have jumped. It’s been a good few years but it seems like the same set is £100 more.
I’m going to stick with what I have for now. If I’m unable to get more weight within a relatively reasonable time then I’ll look into alternates, bands etc
I thought that was a bit silly as well. I’ve never had a truck or SUV, and I’ve transported all sorts of stuff that was more difficult than a barbell. I mean get a red cloth at the end of the bar and have it stick out of the trunk.
I’d argue that the deadlift is decent for hypertrophy, but perhaps more so indirectly. By that I mean getting strong on the deadlift seems to benefit other lifts like bent over rows, or anything that requires core rigidity (squats would be included here too). I’ve seen a few lifters do BB rows that I’ve never seen do a deadlift, and their rows would be embarrassing if I did them that way. Even a lift like overhead press is improved if you improve your deadlift strength to a decent degree. Just having the general strength from the deadlift allows you to do other lifts and not have your core / back be the limiting factor, and to hit the muscles you are actually trying to train.
There is also a factor of teaching the lifter what hard exertion feels like. Squats are also good for this. I’ve noticed the guys that have good squat and deadlift numbers are generally pretty muscular.
