Im posting this just out of curiousity. Im struggling quite a bit with my Deadlift at thr moment and I was trying to think of ways to improve it and came up with a thought. Can you take a moderately heavy weight and Deadlift it for reps? (15+). I know that this kind of thing works well with Squats so wondering what your opinions are. Thanks.
[quote]Bailey H wrote:
Im posting this just out of curiousity. Im struggling quite a bit with my Deadlift at thr moment and I was trying to think of ways to improve it and came up with a thought. Can you take a moderately heavy weight and Deadlift it for reps? (15+). I know that this kind of thing works well with Squats so wondering what your opinions are. Thanks.[/quote]
The only thing high reps squats did for me was give me headaches. They didn’t improve my 1 rep max squat one bit.
That being said, different people respond differently to different training. Give your idea a try as see how it works for you.
I’m not a gifted dead lifter and to be honest I almost don’t like doing them. It’s prolly because I generally suck at it and for me when I get to add weight to the bar it’s a big deal and every pound is surely earned. I have recently pulled 500 for 2 ( hitched the 3rd so I didn’t count it). A few weeks / maybe a month before that day I could get 1 maybe 2 rep on a good day with that weight.
What changed for me was I saw one of Storm the Beaches videos where he was doing ab fall outs with his blast straps. I also have blast straps and had never thought of doing those. I did sets of ab fall outs after each training day. Sometimes I did them whenever I went out into the garage for fun. I got creative and did PLANKS and side planks using the blast straps = BRUTAL. He also was doing front squat holds with obscene weights. I loaded up my bar and did some too. They work. I had done lots of standing abs on a high pulley and sit ups on my GHR side bends with dumbbells and all the “usual” ab work. I guess it wasn’t enough because my back always felt beat up and weak. Since incorporating the ab fall outs mostly and some front squat holds, my low back feels great and solid. Since my low back didn’t shit the bed on me, I could feel I need work in my glutes and hammies.
Ok so to specifically answer your question, I have not had much success with repping dead lifts for more than about 5 reps. To get high reps you have to use light weights. One can keep his form a lot easier with light weights as opposed to heavier percentages where your form certainly breaks down. Dead lifts against EFS short bands are highly beneficial. I see that you are in England and you get robbed with taxes and shipping fees but some short light / average bands would do you good. OR dead lifting against chains. Either way the added weight of the bands / chains will teach you to pull fast all the way to lock out.
Then there’s the old school answer… What’s your form look like? It may be spot on, it may be a train wreck. MAybe post a video and folks could point out what’s going on.
a good way to rep heavy deads is to pick a time limit - 10 to 20 mins - and just get as many singles/doubles/triples in that time period, love doing this
For sure you can do this, although I like sets of 8-15 on rep outs for deads. It is particularly effective for building mass on the back and working on the lockout. You can do it as a backdown set after a single if you still way to stay more accustomed to heavy weight.
But yeah, start with something you know for sure you can do for 8+ reps, be conservative, and then rep it out and add 10 lbs a week and see how far it takes you.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
I’m not a gifted dead lifter and to be honest I almost don’t like doing them. It’s prolly because I generally suck at it and for me when I get to add weight to the bar it’s a big deal and every pound is surely earned. I have recently pulled 500 for 2 ( hitched the 3rd so I didn’t count it). A few weeks / maybe a month before that day I could get 1 maybe 2 rep on a good day with that weight.
What changed for me was I saw one of Storm the Beaches videos where he was doing ab fall outs with his blast straps. I also have blast straps and had never thought of doing those. I did sets of ab fall outs after each training day. Sometimes I did them whenever I went out into the garage for fun. I got creative and did PLANKS and side planks using the blast straps = BRUTAL. He also was doing front squat holds with obscene weights. I loaded up my bar and did some too. They work. I had done lots of standing abs on a high pulley and sit ups on my GHR side bends with dumbbells and all the “usual” ab work. I guess it wasn’t enough because my back always felt beat up and weak. Since incorporating the ab fall outs mostly and some front squat holds, my low back feels great and solid. Since my low back didn’t shit the bed on me, I could feel I need work in my glutes and hammies.
Ok so to specifically answer your question, I have not had much success with repping dead lifts for more than about 5 reps. To get high reps you have to use light weights. One can keep his form a lot easier with light weights as opposed to heavier percentages where your form certainly breaks down. Dead lifts against EFS short bands are highly beneficial. I see that you are in England and you get robbed with taxes and shipping fees but some short light / average bands would do you good. OR dead lifting against chains. Either way the added weight of the bands / chains will teach you to pull fast all the way to lock out.
Then there’s the old school answer… What’s your form look like? It may be spot on, it may be a train wreck. MAybe post a video and folks could point out what’s going on. [/quote]
Well in the past I have already looked at my form and it seems good to me. But next Deadlift day I will video it and post on here. But as for what you said about if your gonna Deadlift heavy then you have to use light weight, I do slightly disagree. Have you seen World Strongest Man before? They always have Deadlifting in that competition and usually they have to Deadlift a car and the additional weight of the people inside. Some of them manage to Deadlift it 20 times.
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
a good way to rep heavy deads is to pick a time limit - 10 to 20 mins - and just get as many singles/doubles/triples in that time period, love doing this[/quote]
somtimes singles for time is a great way to train the deadlift when things seem a little stuck. here’s Rich Sadiv “the human crane” pulling 405 like it’s paper… crazy leverages
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
For sure you can do this, although I like sets of 8-15 on rep outs for deads. It is particularly effective for building mass on the back and working on the lockout. You can do it as a backdown set after a single if you still way to stay more accustomed to heavy weight.
But yeah, start with something you know for sure you can do for 8+ reps, be conservative, and then rep it out and add 10 lbs a week and see how far it takes you.[/quote]
Thankyou for the advice Tim. I always love hearing from pros.
I’ve seen some impressive videos of high rep deadlifts but I doubt the core of their training is based on that. For me and I’m pretty sure for most people that deadlift reps do not translate to heavy low reps that well. If you do 15+ reps don’t plan on getting much better than anything below the 10 rep range.
What is your current best DLs and what program are you using?
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
For sure you can do this, although I like sets of 8-15 on rep outs for deads. It is particularly effective for building mass on the back and working on the lockout. You can do it as a backdown set after a single if you still way to stay more accustomed to heavy weight.
But yeah, start with something you know for sure you can do for 8+ reps, be conservative, and then rep it out and add 10 lbs a week and see how far it takes you.[/quote]
By the way how many sets do you think would be a good idea? My daedlift seems to of it a dead end at the moment. I really want to get into Powerlifting but first im not going to till all my weights are where I want them to be.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I’ve seen some impressive videos of high rep deadlifts but I doubt the core of their training is based on that. For me and I’m pretty sure for most people that deadlift reps do not translate to heavy low reps that well. If you do 15+ reps don’t plan on getting much better than anything below the 10 rep range.
What is your current best DLs and what program are you using?[/quote]
At the moment I Deadlift 315lbs for 1 rep. Its crap.
The low back responds well to high reps. Don’t think deads for reps would facilitate that though. If you only deadlift 315x1, you should try and get on a beginners program and see if that does anything. Once you get to 405, then you could try rotating lifts and speed pulls.
you could do this
multiply your max by .95, this is your training max, In your case 300lbs
Week 1 - 80%x1 65%x2x5
Week 2 - 85%x1 70%x2x5
Week 3 - 88%x1 75%x2x5
Week 4 - 90%x1 80%x2x3
Week 5 - 92%x1 85%x2x3
Week 6 - 95%x1 90%x2x3
Week 7 - 97%x1 93%x2x3
Week 8 - 100%x2
Week 9 - test
Actual weights.
week 1 240x1 195x2x5
week 2 255x1 210x2x5
week 3 265x1 225x2x5
week 4 270x1 240x2x3
week 5 280x1 255x2x3
week 6 285x1 270x2x3
week 7 295x1 280x2x3
week 8 300x2
week 9 335x1-or whatever you can handle
Notation is weight x sets x reps
routine courtesy of paul carter at lift-run-bang blog
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
To get high reps you have to use light weights. One can keep his form a lot easier with light weights as opposed to heavier percentages where your form certainly breaks down. [/quote]
I did not say that. Re Read what I said above. “heavy” is 90% plus IMO, folks generally don’t rep 90% 15 times. There is a huge difference when lifting with a relatively light weight that you can rep vs a weight that is close to a 1 RM.
Sure, have you flipped a tire? If you flip a 400# tire, you are only lifting 200# of it because the one side is on the ground. Same with WSM deadlifts when they pick up the car with hot chicks in them. Sure it’s heavy but they aren’t lifting the entire car. Ever bench pressed on a hammer strength machine?? Even little ass gym rats can bench 3 wheels and yet the get crushed by free weights. ** I AM NOT DISCREDITING STRONGMEN OR EVENTS** I think they are awesome.
[quote]HERC410 wrote:
you could do this
multiply your max by .95, this is your training max, In your case 300lbs
Week 1 - 80%x1 65%x2x5
Week 2 - 85%x1 70%x2x5
Week 3 - 88%x1 75%x2x5
Week 4 - 90%x1 80%x2x3
Week 5 - 92%x1 85%x2x3
Week 6 - 95%x1 90%x2x3
Week 7 - 97%x1 93%x2x3
Week 8 - 100%x2
Week 9 - test
Actual weights.
week 1 240x1 195x2x5
week 2 255x1 210x2x5
week 3 265x1 225x2x5
week 4 270x1 240x2x3
week 5 280x1 255x2x3
week 6 285x1 270x2x3
week 7 295x1 280x2x3
week 8 300x2
week 9 335x1-or whatever you can handle
Notation is weight x sets x reps
routine courtesy of paul carter at lift-run-bang blog[/quote]
I like the look of that. The back down sets are a good way to work on your form with a lighter weight.
CS
This is a topif that hae come up frequently overtl the years ive been on T-Nation
Im made to deadlift so my experience might differ
I deadlifted 260kg after never going higher than 172 for 6 months. I did the 172 for 20 reps. Only 1 set is all thats needed
Im convinced has to do with fact that high percentages tqx nervous system wheras lower percejtqges say 60 or 70 pc dont althiugh will make you breathe v v hard if go for high reps
This high rep stuff has taken me from plateau at 190 kg to circw 280. I think obce over the big 300 I will need to reeevaluate my approach but ut has served me v v well
[quote]ros1816 wrote:
This is a topif that hae come up frequently overtl the years ive been on tnation
Im made to deadlift so my experience might differ
I deadlifted 260kg after never going higher than 172 for 6 months. I did the 172 for 20 reps. Only 1 set is all thats needed
Im convinced has to do with fact that high percentages tqx nervous system wheras lower percejtqges say 60 or 70 pc dont althiugh will make you breathe v v hard if go for high reps
This high rep stuff has taken me from plateau at 190 kg to circw 280. I think obce over the big 300 I will need to reeevaluate my approach but ut has served me v v well
[/quote]
I could of imagined that Deadlifting for reps would be a good mass builder but I didnt really know if it would be good for strength. Thanks for your side of it mate.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
To get high reps you have to use light weights. One can keep his form a lot easier with light weights as opposed to heavier percentages where your form certainly breaks down. [/quote]
I did not say that. Re Read what I said above. “heavy” is 90% plus IMO, folks generally don’t rep 90% 15 times. There is a huge difference when lifting with a relatively light weight that you can rep vs a weight that is close to a 1 RM.
Well yes but I doubt that the weight of the car they Deadlift is 60% - 70% of their 1RM. I would have thought its about 80% - 85% and they use certain techniques to do it. Like 20 rep breathing Squats. On them you are supposed to go very heavy but its made possible through proper breathing ect…
Sure, have you flipped a tire? If you flip a 400# tire, you are only lifting 200# of it because the one side is on the ground. Same with WSM deadlifts when they pick up the car with hot chicks in them. Sure it’s heavy but they aren’t lifting the entire car. Ever bench pressed on a hammer strength machine?? Even little ass gym rats can bench 3 wheels and yet the get crushed by free weights. ** I AM NOT DISCREDITING STRONGMEN OR EVENTS** I think they are awesome.
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Just do 5/3/1, you don’t even have to do the entire program just the deadlift day if you want, 1 day a week dedicated to it. 15+ reps for anything under 315 will be a waste of time.
OP, you are wasting your time.
I went from not even being able to do 135x1 to 405x1 + in like 4 months using a simple formula…
Here I will demonstrate it starting from 225…
Mon : 225x5
Fri: 235x5
Mon: 245x5
Fri: 255x5
Mon: 265x5
Fri: 275x5
Mon: 285x5
Fri: 295x5
Mon: 305x5
Fri: 315x5
Mon: 325x5
Fri: 335x5
Mon: 340x5 ( had to start only doing 5lb jumps here)
Fri: 345x5
ETC ETC ETC…
lol, that’s it. If you can’t add 10 pounds, then add 5.
You should get up to 405+ before you need to even change that programming… -_- (btw, you dont have to deadlift 2x a week, I just did because I had no problems with it, most people will just Squat 3x and Deadlift 1x at this level)
1x5 is king for newbs ,srs