Curcumin and Estrogen?

So I started taking this for my joints.

Did very little bit of reading today. WIKI says that it’s a phytoestrogen.

other hairloss forums said it downregulates Androgen Receptors.

and another website said it was effective against fighting breast cancer in a similar way that Tamoxifen.

As some people may know I’m currently in a battle to raise my testosterone and lower my estrogen as well as control cortisol.

So what gives? Is this bad for your t:e ratio or what?

I doubt it would be man, curcumin’s really good for you.

Have you tried phosphatidylserine for your cortisol issues?

One of the things that sets curcumin apart from most other anti-cancer supplements (I3C being an exception), is that this phenolic can actually block chemicals from getting inside cells. Importantly, curcumin can interfere with pesticides that mimic estrogen. These include DDT and dioxin, two extremely toxic chemicals that contaminate America’s water and food. (Dioxin is so toxic that a few ounces of it could wipe out the entire population of New York City). Curcumin has the unique ability to fit through a cellular doorway known as the aryl hydrocarbon receptor. This is a feat it shares with estrogen and estrogen-mimicking chemicals. Because it can compete for the same doorway, curcumin has the power to block access to the cell and protect against estrogen mimickers.

Like estrogen, estrogen-mimicking chemicals promote the growth of breast cancer. In a study on human breast cancer cells, curcumin reversed growth caused by 17b-estradiol by 98%. DDT’s growth-enhancing effects on breast cancer were blocked about 75% by curcumin.

Two other estrogen mimickers were tested for their ability to enhance breast cancer. Chlordane and endosulfane together make breast cancer cells grow about as much as17b-estradiol. Curcumin can reverse that growth about 90%. Adding the soy phytochemical, genistein, causes a 100% growth arrest.

Curcumin is also notably effective against colon cancer. Inflammation appears to play a significant role in promoting this type of cancer. Curcumin has long been known for its anti-inflammatory action. More recently, it has been shown that curcumin inhibits cyclooxygenase (COX) and lipoxygenase (LOX), two enzymes that promote inflammation. Inflammation is in the limelight these days because of the discovery that people who take nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), including aspirin, have stunning protection against colon cancer. Inflammation, it turns out, plays significant and diverse roles in the initiation and promotion of cancer. Oxidative stress helps activate PKC, for example. Part of curcumin’s ability to block PKC signals is due to its powerful antioxidant activity.

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
So I started taking this for my joints.

Did very little bit of reading today. WIKI says that it’s a phytoestrogen.

other hairloss forums said it downregulates Androgen Receptors.

and another website said it was effective against fighting breast cancer in a similar way that Tamoxifen.

As some people may know I’m currently in a battle to raise my testosterone and lower my estrogen as well as control cortisol.

So what gives? Is this bad for your t:e ratio or what?[/quote]

Paulie

This, and a few other threads of yours are showing a pattern. You seem to be rather high-strung. Your avatar shows a guy who obviously has spent a decent amount of time in the gym, yet your posts come across as a newb’s would.

I think you are sweating over small stuff. I would imagine that mega high-doses of curcumin would have some negative effect, but overall it’s probably a non-issue.

I think you might try some relaxation techniques, or perhaps meditation, etc.
I mean this in all sincerity. You might be becoming your own worst enemy.

If I am out of line, I apologize.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
So I started taking this for my joints.

Did very little bit of reading today. WIKI says that it’s a phytoestrogen.

other hairloss forums said it downregulates Androgen Receptors.

and another website said it was effective against fighting breast cancer in a similar way that Tamoxifen.

As some people may know I’m currently in a battle to raise my testosterone and lower my estrogen as well as control cortisol.

So what gives? Is this bad for your t:e ratio or what?[/quote]

Paulie

This, and a few other threads of yours are showing a pattern. You seem to be rather high-strung. Your avatar shows a guy who obviously has spent a decent amount of time in the gym, yet your posts come across as a newb’s would.

I think you are sweating over small stuff. I would imagine that mega high-doses of curcumin would have some negative effect, but overall it’s probably a non-issue.

I think you might try some relaxation techniques, or perhaps meditation, etc.
I mean this in all sincerity. You might be becoming your own worst enemy.

If I am out of line, I apologize.

[/quote]

lol im not paulie, but i know exactly where hes coming from. for a guy who eats right, tracking his calories, and busting his ass in the gym to not have the body he wants just doesnt sit right.

threads like this asking supplement questions are just trying to get to the bottom of shitty hormonal problems like high cortisol, estrogen and low testosterone.

it seems high strung, but its more a thirst for knowledge lol.

First I’ve heard about this, so I would check your source. As mentioned the beneficial effects of curcumin would outweigh any negligible issues. That said, it is good to question things, especially when then are highly touted.

I usually take tumeric+ curcumin combined plus Borage Oil (GLA) and it does a helluva terrific job.

However it is important to realize that there can be a hepatotoxic effect for taking too much of these things for too long. So its important not to go overboard and or occasionally cycle off for a while to make sure your liver is keeping up.

Havent read much about a substantial amount about its impact on test/estrogen though.

if you find anything interesting (research based) definitely post up in here

I’m too tight to actually buy Circumin so I load up all my veges with bulk Turmeric.

I ran out a few days ago (and of chilli flakes that I add to everything) and immediately came down with mild common-cold symptoms.

Unrelated? More than likely, but I’m gonna keep smashing the Turmeric and try to avoid running out. Stuff is amazing

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
So I started taking this for my joints.

Did very little bit of reading today. WIKI says that it’s a phytoestrogen.

other hairloss forums said it downregulates Androgen Receptors.

and another website said it was effective against fighting breast cancer in a similar way that Tamoxifen.

As some people may know I’m currently in a battle to raise my testosterone and lower my estrogen as well as control cortisol.

So what gives? Is this bad for your t:e ratio or what?[/quote]

Paulie

This, and a few other threads of yours are showing a pattern. You seem to be rather high-strung. Your avatar shows a guy who obviously has spent a decent amount of time in the gym, yet your posts come across as a newb’s would.

I think you are sweating over small stuff. I would imagine that mega high-doses of curcumin would have some negative effect, but overall it’s probably a non-issue.

I think you might try some relaxation techniques, or perhaps meditation, etc.
I mean this in all sincerity. You might be becoming your own worst enemy.

If I am out of line, I apologize.

[/quote]

appreciate the concern.

no doubt I have become obsessed with weightlifting/bodybuilding and since finding out about my shitty hormonal situation my anxiety has shot through the roof.

I just value the information and knowledge flowing though the T-Nation threads ha sorry if i sound like a newb.

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
So I started taking this for my joints.

Did very little bit of reading today. WIKI says that it’s a phytoestrogen.

other hairloss forums said it downregulates Androgen Receptors.

and another website said it was effective against fighting breast cancer in a similar way that Tamoxifen.

As some people may know I’m currently in a battle to raise my testosterone and lower my estrogen as well as control cortisol.

So what gives? Is this bad for your t:e ratio or what?[/quote]

Paulie

This, and a few other threads of yours are showing a pattern. You seem to be rather high-strung. Your avatar shows a guy who obviously has spent a decent amount of time in the gym, yet your posts come across as a newb’s would.

I think you are sweating over small stuff. I would imagine that mega high-doses of curcumin would have some negative effect, but overall it’s probably a non-issue.

I think you might try some relaxation techniques, or perhaps meditation, etc.
I mean this in all sincerity. You might be becoming your own worst enemy.

If I am out of line, I apologize.

[/quote]

appreciate the concern.

no doubt I have become obsessed with weightlifting/bodybuilding and since finding out about my shitty hormonal situation my anxiety has shot through the roof.

I just value the information and knowledge flowing though the T-Nation threads ha sorry if i sound like a newb.[/quote]

No harm.

I just don’t like seeing people suffer needlessly.

Best to you, man!