Crossfit vs Powerlifting

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Grey Sweatpants wrote:

Go ahead. The way crossfit does obscure exercises is just like how hipsters are like, “The band I listen to is one you’ve never heard of.”

If powerlifters start beating them at their own exercises, they will resort to smugly saying, “Well, I was into muscle-ups way before you were. And I have the torn labrum to prove it.”
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When I saw your post on the squat shoes thread where you quoted that Bolton article, frankly, I thought you were just a silly little parrot but having read this I rescind that opinion.

I have a brother in law who is exactly what you described. His favorite band is the one you never heard of, everything he does is done with the intent of feeling better than everyone else. He’s the delicate genius because he had a chemistry set when he was a kid.

He did triathalons for a while and it was like in his mind he was so much better than every one else because of it. After one of his events I asked how he did. He was like 327th or something silly but then said, “but I don’t care, I do it for myself.” This after listening to him pontificate as if he were the master triathelete and some super duper crazy athlete who because he could swim and ride a bike was going to take over the world.

I know some triathletes that I consider studs, but most of them compete in Ironman as well, which IMO is some crazy ass shit.

Guess what he does now? Wait for it…Crossfit. He set up a twitter page and everything. The funny thing about it is my wife is significantly stronger than him (he reps DL’s around 275 and she pulled 407 at 148 on a National platform and was a hell of a lifter in her time) but in his mind it doesn’t matter because he is King Crossfit.

Having said that, I am jealous of their presence relative to PL and I do think the training methodologies have people that would otherwise be curling and doing tricep kickbacks for the duration of my squat workout actually doing something meaningful.

Well stated.

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I know I am about to catch some shit for this but really what’s the big deal? I’m actually happy that Crossfit is popular, it’s nice to see regular people in a gym squatting, deadlifting, doing box jumps, cleans, snatches etc. Here’s a little secret, most of them want nothing to do with powerlifting as a sport even though many of them are accidentally training PL movements 3 hours per day.

They are not detracting from the value of what you/me/we are doing and in some cases they may actually be helping draw attention to PL as a sport (and provide potentially non-lethal spotters at the gym when squatting). I was thinking of describing Crossfit as being much like gay marriage in the sense that it is just a different version of what we are doing, I then reviewed the video and saw soooo many competitors, meaning that Crossfit would actually be the norm, I immediately revised the way in which I would describe the relationship between the two.

Simply put, while I would never (could never is more accurate) do a crossfit workout I do see the value in what they are doing, total body fitness, less likelihood of dying from “solid blood”, strangely hot ladies, and of course more people using the squat rack (4 out of 5 is pretty good though.) People can complain but if PL were this squared away with regards to marketing, promotion and prize money guys like Donnie Thompson wouldn’t have to sell pictures of themselves squatting nekkid to pay for their knee wraps.

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I didn’t know these guys were involved with CF now, says in the description they were doing a powerlifting cert.

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I like what I do. I think crossfit is silly. No one cares what I think and they can do what they do. Neither detracts from the other one.

So if someone wants to crossfit, go ahead.

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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
I know I am about to catch some shit for this but really what’s the big deal? I’m actually happy that Crossfit is popular, it’s nice to see regular people in a gym squatting, deadlifting, doing box jumps, cleans, snatches etc. Here’s a little secret, most of them want nothing to do with powerlifting as a sport even though many of them are accidentally training PL movements 3 hours per day.

They are not detracting from the value of what you/me/we are doing and in some cases they may actually be helping draw attention to PL as a sport (and provide potentially non-lethal spotters at the gym when squatting). I was thinking of describing Crossfit as being much like gay marriage in the sense that it is just a different version of what we are doing, I then reviewed the video and saw soooo many competitors, meaning that Crossfit would actually be the norm, I immediately revised the way in which I would describe the relationship between the two.

Simply put, while I would never (could never is more accurate) do a crossfit workout I do see the value in what they are doing, total body fitness, less likelihood of dying from “solid blood”, strangely hot ladies, and of course more people using the squat rack (4 out of 5 is pretty good though.) People can complain but if PL were this squared away with regards to marketing, promotion and prize money guys like Donnie Thompson wouldn’t have to sell pictures of themselves squatting nekkid to pay for their knee wraps.[/quote]

Brian, how much did you pay Donnie for those pics anyway?

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Pete,

I’m not sure of the exchange rate, but whatever 7 donkeys go for on the street.

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[quote]GhostOD wrote:
I didn’t know these guys were involved with CF now, says in the description they were doing a powerlifting cert.

Hardcore.

Crossfit has some interesting aspects and training varieties. It’s good if you want to up your conditioning but I’m much more drawn to power and shifting heavier and heavier loads every week.

Powerlifting all the way.

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Grace Clean and Jerk 135 lbs 30 reps for time
Isabel Snatch 135 pounds 30 reps for time

That right there is enough for me to think that Crossfit does not have it together.

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I’m not much of a powerlifting fan (anymore) but… wow…

I can’t believe there would actually be a thread comparing a strength sport to condensed version of 3 million Men’s Health issues.

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very well said, both of you I mean

[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]Grey Sweatpants wrote:

Go ahead. The way crossfit does obscure exercises is just like how hipsters are like, “The band I listen to is one you’ve never heard of.”

If powerlifters start beating them at their own exercises, they will resort to smugly saying, “Well, I was into muscle-ups way before you were. And I have the torn labrum to prove it.”
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When I saw your post on the squat shoes thread where you quoted that Bolton article, frankly, I thought you were just a silly little parrot but having read this I rescind that opinion.

I have a brother in law who is exactly what you described. His favorite band is the one you never heard of, everything he does is done with the intent of feeling better than everyone else. He’s the delicate genius because he had a chemistry set when he was a kid.

He did triathalons for a while and it was like in his mind he was so much better than every one else because of it. After one of his events I asked how he did. He was like 327th or something silly but then said, “but I don’t care, I do it for myself.” This after listening to him pontificate as if he were the master triathelete and some super duper crazy athlete who because he could swim and ride a bike was going to take over the world.

I know some triathletes that I consider studs, but most of them compete in Ironman as well, which IMO is some crazy ass shit.

Guess what he does now? Wait for it…Crossfit. He set up a twitter page and everything. The funny thing about it is my wife is significantly stronger than him (he reps DL’s around 275 and she pulled 407 at 148 on a National platform and was a hell of a lifter in her time) but in his mind it doesn’t matter because he is King Crossfit.

Having said that, I am jealous of their presence relative to PL and I do think the training methodologies have people that would otherwise be curling and doing tricep kickbacks for the duration of my squat workout actually doing something meaningful.

Well stated.

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Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?[/quote]

Look, I could really care less about anything anyone has said on this thread up until now. Other than showcasing your ability to make blanket statements, this response is assinine.

What is not a blanket state is me EXTREME instance of injury in crossfit, especially with Navy Seals/Marines… for example:

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/08/marine_crossfit_081608w/

And another one from your own Crossfit Board:

Odds are, those guys aren’t “doing” Murph as hard as you would like them too.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

When I saw your post on the squat shoes thread where you quoted that Bolton article, frankly, I thought you were just a silly little parrot but having read this I rescind that opinion.

I have a brother in law who is exactly what you described. His favorite band is the one you never heard of, everything he does is done with the intent of feeling better than everyone else. He’s the delicate genius because he had a chemistry set when he was a kid.

He did triathalons for a while and it was like in his mind he was so much better than every one else because of it. After one of his events I asked how he did. He was like 327th or something silly but then said, “but I don’t care, I do it for myself.” This after listening to him pontificate as if he were the master triathelete and some super duper crazy athlete who because he could swim and ride a bike was going to take over the world.

I know some triathletes that I consider studs, but most of them compete in Ironman as well, which IMO is some crazy ass shit.

Guess what he does now? Wait for it…Crossfit. He set up a twitter page and everything. The funny thing about it is my wife is significantly stronger than him (he reps DL’s around 275 and she pulled 407 at 148 on a National platform and was a hell of a lifter in her time) but in his mind it doesn’t matter because he is King Crossfit.

Having said that, I am jealous of their presence relative to PL and I do think the training methodologies have people that would otherwise be curling and doing tricep kickbacks for the duration of my squat workout actually doing something meaningful.

Well stated.

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Thanks, apwsearch. I’m new here so I appreciate that. Your brother-in-law is a quintessential crossfit hipster. Was he a gym class hero in high school? That would complete the package.

Hopefully the rising crossfit tide lifts all boats. When they realize doing fast, light deadlifts for reps doesn’t make them stronger, they will jump ship.

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Yep. I worked at six ironman racesand there was a contingent of “we’re the fittest people on the planet. Blah,blah.” At this time I wasn’t lifting to heavy and biking more for something to do. I used spinervals training videos for my biking workouts and had a mid forties resting pulse rate

There was no way in hell that I could complete an ironman . But some fat housewives could
. Dan Johns has said fitness is the ability to do a task . Period. And I’d agree with him. Do what you like and have fun with it. But spare me the we’re all around, we’re the fittest , etc etc.

[quote]Grey Sweatpants wrote:

[quote]apwsearch wrote:

When I saw your post on the squat shoes thread where you quoted that Bolton article, frankly, I thought you were just a silly little parrot but having read this I rescind that opinion.

I have a brother in law who is exactly what you described. His favorite band is the one you never heard of, everything he does is done with the intent of feeling better than everyone else. He’s the delicate genius because he had a chemistry set when he was a kid.

He did triathalons for a while and it was like in his mind he was so much better than every one else because of it. After one of his events I asked how he did. He was like 327th or something silly but then said, “but I don’t care, I do it for myself.” This after listening to him pontificate as if he were the master triathelete and some super duper crazy athlete who because he could swim and ride a bike was going to take over the world.

I know some triathletes that I consider studs, but most of them compete in Ironman as well, which IMO is some crazy ass shit.

Guess what he does now? Wait for it…Crossfit. He set up a twitter page and everything. The funny thing about it is my wife is significantly stronger than him (he reps DL’s around 275 and she pulled 407 at 148 on a National platform and was a hell of a lifter in her time) but in his mind it doesn’t matter because he is King Crossfit.

Having said that, I am jealous of their presence relative to PL and I do think the training methodologies have people that would otherwise be curling and doing tricep kickbacks for the duration of my squat workout actually doing something meaningful.

Well stated.

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Thanks, apwsearch. I’m new here so I appreciate that. Your brother-in-law is a quintessential crossfit hipster. Was he a gym class hero in high school? That would complete the package.

Hopefully the rising crossfit tide lifts all boats. When they realize doing fast, light deadlifts for reps doesn’t make them stronger, they will jump ship.[/quote]

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A lot of the stuff I see those hot crossfit girls doing seem much more productive than the usual things girls do like elliptical or pink dumbbells. Question is what type of workout would you recommend to a girl who is completely uninterested in powerlifting?

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?[/quote]

I love how you picked those examples, as both of those guys attribute a lot of their injuries to doing stupid shit. In response to those injuries, new training methods were experimented with and developed for powerlifting. Louie is still going strong, too.

Compare that to the Crossfitter who rips all the skin off his hands doing kipping pullups and can’t use his hands for anything, including masturbation, for over a week, on top of all the other stupid shit that is done. Then as soon as it heals, does it all over again. Now replace ripping callouses with busted shins, overuse injuries, etc, etc.

The MIL/LEO example has been used forever to market fitness related shit to the weekend warrior, so they can be consider themselves elite and tactical. Now anyone with a 3:00 fran time can think themselves capable of storming an Islamabadian compound and shooting a bunch of Al Qaeda mother fuckers without dying in process, and act like it, because that’s how the Navy seals train.

What’s your affiliate? I’m interested in checking out how you program your workouts.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?[/quote]

I love how you picked those examples, as both of those guys attribute a lot of their injuries to doing stupid shit. In response to those injuries, new training methods were experimented with and developed for powerlifting. Louie is still going strong, too.

Compare that to the Crossfitter who rips all the skin off his hands doing kipping pullups and can’t use his hands for anything, including masturbation, for over a week, on top of all the other stupid shit that is done. Then as soon as it heals, does it all over again. Now replace ripping callouses with busted shins, overuse injuries, etc, etc.

The MIL/LEO example has been used forever to market fitness related shit to the weekend warrior, so they can be consider themselves elite and tactical. Now anyone with a 3:00 fran time can think themselves capable of storming an Islamabadian compound and shooting a bunch of Al Qaeda mother fuckers without dying in process, and act like it, because that’s how the Navy seals train.

What’s your affiliate? I’m interested in checking out how you program your workouts. [/quote]

Not to mention that Louie and Dave are elite lifters who competed at the top of sport, wherein injuries are fairly more common given the intensity, volume and demand of competition, whereas average crossfitters are encountering high injury rates simply by nature of doing crossfit.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?[/quote]

Why would I want to watch someone warm up as fast as they can?

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[quote]Killer Rabbit wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Killer Rabbit: I know one of the fastest times for Isabel is like 76 seconds or 79 by Josh Everett (youtube it) who is an oly lifter by trade but made CF work for him. He was 2nd in the 1st CF Games. Gets done doing that many snatches that quickly and just goes “backs warm now.”

Also everyone talks about shitty form and Crossfitters getting injuries…are powerlifters injury free? Dave Tate injury free? Simmons injury free?

Also I know a few teams guys and the guys who train teams guys and CF is pretty much the main program used by a lot of military forces, in particular the Navy Seals. So, what happens if the world finds out the Seal responsible for shooting OBL in the face and chest is a board short wearing, kipping pull up, Fran loving, Murph doing queer? Does anything change then? Im just asking…I wonder if this is going to tickle anybody?[/quote]

Why would I want to watch someone warm up as fast as they can? [/quote]

Because watching them do it as slow as possible is REALLY borring.

I mean, I can’t even watch porn online anymore without skipping through the majority of the video.

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Many things have been said about CrossFit.

So my addition is probably worthless but I’m going to have a say anyway :wink:

I have done Crossfit before, not serious but as a supplement to my other training (wrestling, bjj, lifting).

I think the main problem is the extremist, fanatical mindset of some of the instructors and people. They tend to think XFIT is the only thing and all else is rubbish. Also the “pukey the clown” thing is very very unhealthy.

There is nothing wrong with the WODs if you don’t kid yourself and think it’s the only thing that you should do and that you are doing correct technique. It’s like eating wholemeal bread and thinking that it’s healthy.

I used Xfit sessions to prepare for some BJJ comps, I found that they are good for this as you constantly have to worked even when you are completely smashed.

The issues with Xfitters are that many of them seem like they belong to a cult. People just need to take a step back and realise that Xfit is not the only thing out there. Used as a supplement to other training I think it can be effective if you already have a decent base.

Big issue is that beginners are not really taught the correct technique and also the volume of the exercises means that people end up with really shit form and at times hurt themselves. I mean, why can’t they learn how to do a proper KB swing or a regular chin up. Never understood the logic behind kipping.

Used in conjunction with other training Xfit is not a bad way to break things up and get a different kind of work in there but long term I doubt my body would hold out. The whole cult aspect is a little disturbing though, but cannot argue with their marketing…it’s very successful.