A Crossfit Thread

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit.

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The elite crossfit ATHLETES (those who compete) do not train crossfit most of the time. For a good portion of the years they do olympic lifting and strength sessions 3-6 times a week. Then they might do 3 easy/short WODs per week (5-10 minutes) at the end of their training and one big WOD per week.

When the open/regionals/games season starts they start doing more WODs and less strength stuff.

And in the crossfit community there is a strong “follow the leader” mentality and as a result a lot of crossfit people now do what the elite does. As a result I routinely have 20-30 average crossfit participant in my olympic lifting classes and my assistant has 15 (groups of 4-6).

Most of the crossfit guys also do basic strength work like bench, squat, front squat, deadlift, etc.

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I think Cross fit is great if it’s applied with some common sense. I’m all for anything that gets people up and moving. Is it for everyone, no. It has its place in the “fitness” world though.

Get a group of friends together and cross fit style workouts can be fun as hell, especially if you’re competitive.

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There are 2 different things, Crossfit the sport, and crossfit the training method. The problem is that people don’t differentiate the 2. Doing crossfit isn’t necessarily the best way to get good at crossfit. The sport, however, is no less worthy than any other sport.

Doing crossfit to get better at crossfit the sport is something like playing football games to get good at playing football. Or doing powerlifting meets to get better at powerlifting. It’s stupid.

edit: other posts showed up after I posted this.

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I agree with Thib, and O.P. in a lot of ways. Many of the best crossfitters are the best because they aren’t ALWAYS training crossfit. They are very smart with their programming, prioritizing strength and technique work while keeping their conditioning very good throughout the year with shorter WOD’s. Then, when it’s time to compete, they start doing more and more WOD’s, and sort of “hone” their increased strength/skills so that they can be in prime crossfitting shape for the games. As OP said, crossfitting really only makes you better at crossfitting. Yes, you can get stronger on crossfit, faster on crossfit, and it is certainly a good way to “keep in shape” or be generally athletic and well rounded.

But in the end, a well-made strength program is better for getting stronger, a well-made sprinting program is better for getting faster, etc. I think a lot of the hate on crossfit is a backlash against certain issues that, as Thib said, come from many crossfitter’s “follow the leader” mentality. The Main Site and greg glassman tell people “crossfit is the best way to get in shape, it’s the only way to train functionally, people can get just as strong/fast/jacked/whatever doing crossfit as they could doing (BLANK), and they will be so much more well rounded!”. And Many people eat up that dogma and regurgitate it all over the place, which gets exhausting for those of us who know better. Somebody who puts a significant amount of time and energy into crossfit as well as strength training is never going to be as good at powerlifting as somebody who puts the same amount of time and effort into JUST strength training.

Anyways, that all being said, I think that crossfit is a great way for the average person to get what they want out of exercise - it can be fun, it will get your body fat down, it will get you significantly stronger than simply running, or a lot of the dumb magazine workouts out there, it will keep you in shape and keep you healthy. I think my biggest issue with crossfit is that it is SO easy to program badly, and I think that many many crossfitters would be stronger, better, and healthier if they understood more about programming, and applied that knowlege to their training. Like Thib said, you aren’t going to get to be the best at crossfit by simply doing the WOD every day. They need to understand that strength training and skill work should be prioritized. Furthermore, in my opinion most WOD’s should be kept relatively short (5-15 minutes, max), and should incorporate more heavy lifting. I hate seeing wod’s where people are doing somethign like 30 backsquats with 95 pounds every round. In my oppinion, that’s not getting you better at anything. It would make way more sense to focus on shorter, heavier workouts done as quickly as possible. Not so much high rep lifting, and for GOD SAKES no high rep olympic lifts. Personally, I think people would get much better results across the board if they programmed like that, then only did longer wod’s/endurance work when they had to get their shit together for competition.

But anyways, long story short - crossfit, when programmed properly, is a great tool to get in very good overall shape, to look and feel healthy, and to have fun while doing it. The problem comes when people are dogmatic about it, and refuse to explore other methods of training, refuse to have a deeper understanding of programming, or refuse accept that crossfit is intended mainly to get you better at crossfit

Edit: Other posts appeared while I was typing this novel, also haha. But I very much agree that people need to differrentiate between crossfit the sport and crossfit the training methodology.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The elite crossfit ATHLETES (those who compete) do not train crossfit most of the time. For a good portion of the years they do olympic lifting and strength sessions 3-6 times a week. Then they might do 3 easy/short WODs per week (5-10 minutes) at the end of their training and one big WOD per week.

When the open/regionals/games season starts they start doing more WODs and less strength stuff.

And in the crossfit community there is a strong “follow the leader” mentality and as a result a lot of crossfit people now do what the elite does. As a result I routinely have 20-30 average crossfit participant in my olympic lifting classes and my assistant has 15 (groups of 4-6).

Most of the crossfit guys also do basic strength work like bench, squat, front squat, deadlift, etc.[/quote]

This used to be the case, however the majority of crossfit affiliates now do this: a periodized strength program mixed with WODs. If the majority of affiliates do this than wouldn’t this now be considered the new form of crossfit? It’s pretty established in the CF community that the mainsite workouts are full of shit.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
There are 2 different things, Crossfit the sport, and crossfit the training method. The problem is that people don’t differentiate the 2. Doing crossfit isn’t necessarily the best way to get good at crossfit. The sport, however, is no less worthy than any other sport.

Doing crossfit to get better at crossfit the sport is something like playing football games to get good at playing football. Or doing powerlifting meets to get better at powerlifting. It’s stupid.

edit: other posts showed up after I posted this.
[/quote]

…why would playing a lot of football not make you better at playing football? Why would lifting weights at a competition not make you better at lifting weights? I’m confused as to why this is stupid

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The elite crossfit ATHLETES (those who compete) do not train crossfit most of the time. For a good portion of the years they do olympic lifting and strength sessions 3-6 times a week. Then they might do 3 easy/short WODs per week (5-10 minutes) at the end of their training and one big WOD per week.

When the open/regionals/games season starts they start doing more WODs and less strength stuff.

And in the crossfit community there is a strong “follow the leader” mentality and as a result a lot of crossfit people now do what the elite does. As a result I routinely have 20-30 average crossfit participant in my olympic lifting classes and my assistant has 15 (groups of 4-6).

Most of the crossfit guys also do basic strength work like bench, squat, front squat, deadlift, etc.[/quote]

Exactly…my friends box (which sent 5 athletes to the regionals last year) does not use traditional Xfit programming…they do strength work followed by a short intense metabolic session.

DD says it right…there is a HUGE difference between the main site “crossfit” workouts and and what those that win the competitions do.

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I don’t do Crossfit but I occasionally help a US and World’s Master Olympic weightlifting champion coach two Crossfit weightlifting clubs in Northern Virginia. At one he has about 12 to 16 regular members, a couple have even competed in a local meet.His other club is newer but has more members, some who are indicating their desire to compete. Both clubs are about split on male and female members. For whatever one thinks of Crossfit, it seems they are ginning up interest in Olympic weightlifting. Crossfit’s head Olympic Weightlifting coach is Mike Burgener, whose son, Casey was on the USA’s lifting teams in the early part of the 2000’s. Jim Schmidt, who was our Olympic Coach for the 1984 Olympics in South Korea, is praising Crossfit for increasing interest in Olympic lifting in the US. [See the latest issue of MILO] This could be a boost for OLympic lifting down the pike, especially when you realize Crossfit has a sponsor in Reebock [sp?] and in the recent Crossfit games shown on one of the ESPN channels they did the snatch for reps in a certain period of time–ten minutes I think. The weightlifting club members train the lifts as if preparing for a weightlifting meet, not a how many reps can you get in a certain amount of time manner. Whether Crossfit will look to focusing more on regular ways to train and develop Olympic weightlifting remains to be seen. But they are exposing their members to the lifts even if their techniques are often terrible.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
There are 2 different things, Crossfit the sport, and crossfit the training method. The problem is that people don’t differentiate the 2. Doing crossfit isn’t necessarily the best way to get good at crossfit. The sport, however, is no less worthy than any other sport.

Doing crossfit to get better at crossfit the sport is something like playing football games to get good at playing football. Or doing powerlifting meets to get better at powerlifting. It’s stupid.

edit: other posts showed up after I posted this.
[/quote]

…why would playing a lot of football not make you better at playing football? Why would lifting weights at a competition not make you better at lifting weights? I’m confused as to why this is stupid[/quote]

As in exclusively. Go to the gym and do a “meet” everyday.

The best power lifters rarely if ever do anything resembling a meet in training.

To my knowledge football players don’t do a lot of full games in practice.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
There are 2 different things, Crossfit the sport, and crossfit the training method. The problem is that people don’t differentiate the 2. Doing crossfit isn’t necessarily the best way to get good at crossfit. The sport, however, is no less worthy than any other sport.

Doing crossfit to get better at crossfit the sport is something like playing football games to get good at playing football. Or doing powerlifting meets to get better at powerlifting. It’s stupid.

edit: other posts showed up after I posted this.
[/quote]

…why would playing a lot of football not make you better at playing football? Why would lifting weights at a competition not make you better at lifting weights? I’m confused as to why this is stupid[/quote]

As in exclusively. Go to the gym and do a “meet” everyday.

The best power lifters rarely if ever do anything resembling a meet in training.

To my knowledge football players don’t do a lot of full games in practice.[/quote]

ah gothcha, though I would argue that there is some degree of specificity and technique training required for improvement.

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[quote]germanicus wrote:
I don’t do Crossfit but I occasionally help a US and World’s Master Olympic weightlifting champion coach two Crossfit weightlifting clubs in Northern Virginia. At one he has about 12 to 16 regular members, a couple have even competed in a local meet.His other club is newer but has more members, some who are indicating their desire to compete. Both clubs are about split on male and female members. For whatever one thinks of Crossfit, it seems they are ginning up interest in Olympic weightlifting. Crossfit’s head Olympic Weightlifting coach is Mike Burgener, whose son, Casey was on the USA’s lifting teams in the early part of the 2000’s. Jim Schmidt, who was our Olympic Coach for the 1984 Olympics in South Korea, is praising Crossfit for increasing interest in Olympic lifting in the US. [See the latest issue of MILO] This could be a boost for OLympic lifting down the pike, especially when you realize Crossfit has a sponsor in Reebock [sp?] and in the recent Crossfit games shown on one of the ESPN channels they did the snatch for reps in a certain period of time–ten minutes I think. The weightlifting club members train the lifts as if preparing for a weightlifting meet, not a how many reps can you get in a certain amount of time manner. Whether Crossfit will look to focusing more on regular ways to train and develop Olympic weightlifting remains to be seen. But they are exposing their members to the lifts even if their techniques are often terrible. [/quote]

Good stuff!

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[quote]setto222 wrote:
Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit. [/quote]

Hey man, thanks for starting this thread. I was actually considering starting a CF thread in this forum too, but was hesitant because I wasn’t sure how the response would be considering there’s so much CF bashing going on these days in the fitness world. I’ll be joining a CF gym next month.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit. [/quote]

Hey man, thanks for starting this thread. I was actually considering starting a CF thread in this forum too, but was hesitant because I wasn’t sure how the response would be considering there’s so much CF bashing going on these days in the fitness world. I’ll be joining a CF gym next month.
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Crossfit is just plain fun dude… my advice is never stray too far away from the barbell lifts, regardless of whatever WODs they tell you to do. Every Crossfit session I have, I make sure to include one big lift for strength.

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I guess I could be considered a crossfitter by most since I train at a Crossfit box around 1-3 times per week (depending on what the rest of my program looks like) and I have competed (Open and Regionals) but I don’t exclusively do crossfit. The bulk of my training consists of strength training. Ironically, as the OP and Ct have stated, this has become the training methodology for a lot of crossfitters. I think this shift has happened for two reasons mainly, both related to each other:

  1. Competitive crossfit is now demanding stronger athletes and boxes have followed suit posting ever more challenging WODs in terms of strength. Because of this, athletes have started leaning towards structured strength training for the most part because, as we all know, strength takes much more time to develop than conditioning and, despite what some pretentious duchebags may say, Doing crossfit WODs won’t do much for your strength beyond some very limited gains (believe me, I’ve seen way too many people who only do WODs remaining at the same strength levels year after year).

  2. The community in general has realized that being strong is much more awesome than being able to do lots of handstands , box jumps, and burpees.

To answer the OP’s question: No, crossfit will not make you (a lot) stronger if you are a novice and it will likely make you weaker if you have built a strength base and start only doing WODs. Same goes for size. It does, however seem to help a lot of people get leaner, at least initially but most remain unable to get truly lean mainly because their diets suck.

Personally, I like it becuase it’s fun to exercise with your friends and the variety keeps my motivation up (even though the randomness tends to yield some retarded programming). I do it as a compliment to my strength to help me stay in shape. That said, I would never use it alone because it yields sub-par results in terms of strength and size. As for the whole athleticism thing, I think it is as relative as the terms “athleticism” and “fitness” which are thrown around way too often in the crossfit community, along with “elite” and “hardcore”.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit. [/quote]

Hey man, thanks for starting this thread. I was actually considering starting a CF thread in this forum too, but was hesitant because I wasn’t sure how the response would be considering there’s so much CF bashing going on these days in the fitness world. I’ll be joining a CF gym next month.
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Crossfit is just plain fun dude… my advice is never stray too far away from the barbell lifts, regardless of whatever WODs they tell you to do. Every Crossfit session I have, I make sure to include one big lift for strength.[/quote]
Pb Andy if you wouldn’t mind what do your WODs and CF sessions look like.I’m also glad they started this thread.

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[quote]jppage wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit. [/quote]

Hey man, thanks for starting this thread. I was actually considering starting a CF thread in this forum too, but was hesitant because I wasn’t sure how the response would be considering there’s so much CF bashing going on these days in the fitness world. I’ll be joining a CF gym next month.
[/quote]
Crossfit is just plain fun dude… my advice is never stray too far away from the barbell lifts, regardless of whatever WODs they tell you to do. Every Crossfit session I have, I make sure to include one big lift for strength.[/quote]
Pb Andy if you wouldn’t mind what do your WODs and CF sessions look like.I’m also glad they started this thread.[/quote]
I get nearly all of my stuff from www.mikesgym.org - I just made a post of what my current week looks like here: What Are You Doing Now? - Bigger Stronger Leaner - Forums - T Nation

Keep in mind, I am doing Crossfit out of necessity for a job, but it’s nice to stay in shape :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]jppage wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Crossfit has been around for years now and just like BB, strong man, PL etc it has evolved. Today’s crossfit isn’t nearly what it used to be. Some say they have caved-in to public critisism while others believe that CF coaches have started to apply the age old technique of “common sense”.

This forum (to my understanding) is about people who want to get bigger, stronger and leaner and are not exactly interested in body building. Maybe that describes someone who wants to look more “athletic” (wtv that means…) or an old fart who just wants to increase his fitness levels in the domains for which this sub-forum is named.

I would like to open the floor to opinions about whether or not CF is good (or even capable) at increasing strength, size and leaness. Maybe share a CF experience (good or bad) and how you feel about the progress of this new “sport”.

It seems that there is a huge schism when it comes to CF and forums. There are either forums praising it (CF.com) or those HATING it (BB.com, T-Nation, Sherdog). It would be nice to see if some middle ground exists.

To get my opinion out of the way:

I always found the concept of CF as stupid. How often do I need to do a handstand? How am I supposed to improve on a lift if I train it so rarely? Isn’t this just cross training? But lately I’ve noticed that some success does come around from using CF in conjunction with another program. It took me a while to realize that the purpose of CF is not to bulk or cut, not to look good, but to get better at CF and the various tasks that one must perform during a workout. These days people tend to pair a heavy lifting routine with CF “WODs” in order to get the best of both strength and conditioning worlds. I haven’t stuck with CF for long enough to know if this method truly will increase one’s athleticism or just make them good at crossfit. [/quote]

Hey man, thanks for starting this thread. I was actually considering starting a CF thread in this forum too, but was hesitant because I wasn’t sure how the response would be considering there’s so much CF bashing going on these days in the fitness world. I’ll be joining a CF gym next month.
[/quote]
Crossfit is just plain fun dude… my advice is never stray too far away from the barbell lifts, regardless of whatever WODs they tell you to do. Every Crossfit session I have, I make sure to include one big lift for strength.[/quote]
Pb Andy if you wouldn’t mind what do your WODs and CF sessions look like.I’m also glad they started this thread.[/quote]
I get nearly all of my stuff from www.mikesgym.org - I just made a post of what my current week looks like here: What Are You Doing Now? - Bigger Stronger Leaner - Forums - T Nation

Keep in mind, I am doing Crossfit out of necessity for a job, but it’s nice to stay in shape :P[/quote]
Perfect thanks for that

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I have been doing CF about 2-3 times a week and 2-3 times a week of 5/3/1 strength training for the past 18 months. (Long story) its in my log in the over 35.

And thanks CT for being the second person to respond in this thread so it did not go all hater.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I have been doing CF about 2-3 times a week and 2-3 times a week of 5/3/1 strength training for the past 18 months. (Long story) its in my log in the over 35.

And thanks CT for being the second person to respond in this thread so it did not go all hater. [/quote]

Pfff…crossfitter…