Something I found on the FAQs section of the CF website that you guys will probably find entertaining:
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
Bodybuilding on steroids
CrossFitting on steroids
CrossFitting without steroids
Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without “exogenous hormonal therapy” little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don’t come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.
I really do not care what one does but, I will say that I can see that being somewhat true. At most crossfit gyms you train everyday and have people around always pushing you. Injuries are much more prevalent but, you are always pushing trying to get better ( I think CT mentioned this as well) . Most people do not have what it takes to push themselves. However, if you are consistent and have your nutrition in check anything will yield results.
I remember reading that awhile ago and thinking it was a completely nonsensical statement. Not because “bodybuilding” is better than “CrossFit” or vice versa, but because it’s impossible to nail down exactly what “bodybuilding” and “CrossFit” are. Boiling them down to a single word does a complete disservice to the variety of programs and approaches that can be followed within each arena.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
I really do not care what one does but, I will say that I can see that being somewhat true. At most crossfit gyms you train everyday and have people around always pushing you. Injuries are much more prevalent but, you are always pushing trying to get better ( I think CT mentioned this as well) . Most people do not have what it takes to push themselves. However, if you are consistent and have your nutrition in check anything will yield results.[/quote]
I don’t see how this makes it “somewhat true” at all. This only means that maybe a crossfit person would get bigger than a really shit bodybuilder? If you train to get big and lean, you will get bigger and leaner faster than someone training for crossfit. Any other opinion is laughable.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
I really do not care what one does but, I will say that I can see that being somewhat true. At most crossfit gyms you train everyday and have people around always pushing you. Injuries are much more prevalent but, you are always pushing trying to get better ( I think CT mentioned this as well) . Most people do not have what it takes to push themselves. However, if you are consistent and have your nutrition in check anything will yield results.[/quote]
I don’t see how this makes it “somewhat true” at all. This only means that maybe a crossfit person would get bigger than a really shit bodybuilder? If you train to get big and lean, you will get bigger and leaner faster than someone training for crossfit. Any other opinion is laughable.[/quote]
Apparently, many of Greg Glassman’s observations are the result of years of observation of BBers and other athletes in the gym. What I’m curious to know is how he managed to accurately discern which BBers are on steroids and which aren’t, when even those of us who have been BBing for years (whether natty or assisted) still argue and bitch on message boards as to who’s natty/fake natty. It’s easy when you make the assumption that any BBer bigger than a CFer is juicing. Seems a lot like the fallacious attitude of “anyone bigger and stronger than me is juicing and anybody smaller and weaker than me is a pussy” that many unsuccessful gym-goers have.
Also, csulli, my thoughts exactly. You probably won’t get bigger than someone who knows what they’re doing and trains specifically for hypertrophy if you don’t, unless there’s a huge difference in terms of genetics.
depends what you like I guess. If you would prefer to look like a crossfitter, do crossfit. Want to look like a bodybuilder? Bodybuild, obviously.
Not sure how they can say that bodybuilding with steroids builds more muscle than crossfitting with steroids, but yet crossfitting without steroids builds more mass than bodybuilding without steroids, but whatevs.
It’s just the usual gimmicky, marketing stuff you get in every field ever. To expect otherwise would be naîve
Yeah, you know those huge crossfitters LMAO. Crossfit as as a system has lots of merit. However, it is largely a cult of ‘holier-than-thou’ douchebags.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
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That is odd considering my roommate does “cross fit” (he trains like the elite guys, not the generic bull shit pushed in classes and certs) and I am much more muscular and stronger than him. I must be on the sterons.
Silly me thinking it was training style, diet, and genetics.
Yeah you know that those people that train Everything are just so much more badass than those that train Sport Specific. Thats why CrapFatters would “just so kick Meb Keflezighis ass” in the Boston Marathon if given the chance ! Lol ha ha ha …
Even by their own admission, elites do NOT train crapfatt to win the CrapFatt games …
And no, a fully natural crapfatter will NOT get bigger than a Singular Natural Bodybuilder will…
remember, they (crapfatters) have their WOD( without direction) training to do everyday, which is the road to nowhere…
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
I remember reading that awhile ago and thinking it was a completely nonsensical statement. Not because “bodybuilding” is better than “CrossFit” or vice versa, but because it’s impossible to nail down exactly what “bodybuilding” and “CrossFit” are. Boiling them down to a single word does a complete disservice to the variety of programs and approaches that can be followed within each arena.[/quote]
I disagree, it’s hard to nail down what one individual means when they say “crossfit” (because every jackass wants it to mean whatever the hell it is they are doing), not what it actually means. Crossfit is a corporation and a set of principles. If one has trouble understanding what specific principles like “constantly varied” mean exactly and how they translate into a specific training protocol, simply look at the mainsite wods for clarification. This is why when I say crossfit sucks, I am right. If one thinks that the mainsite wods are stupid, ineffective, awesome or whatever - then one can only conclude that crossfit is stupid, ineffective, awesome or whatever. This is NOT semantics - powerlifters are not doing crossfit because they lift and do conditioning, NFL players are not doing crossfit because they run, do agility drills and lift, people who prep for a crossfit competition by using traditional strength and conditioning with attention to the specific needs of the competition (otherwise known as those who win) are NOT doing crossfit.
The point is that every person who has gotten results from training FOR crossfit by NOT doing crossfit, and then told people “I do crossfit” has done a disservice to those people and helped enrich a company that promotes ineffective and dangerous approaches to training. Those of you affiliated with crossfit, that ultimately know it sucks, have a moral obligation to stop paying your affiliate fees and start being honest with both yourselves and your clients. If you are simply trying to make some money, and don’t really care about the greater impact of your words and actions, I get it, just don’t fool yourself about what you’re doing.
I’ve been asked to become a USAPL coach at my crossfit gym. Right now I’m following the WOD 3x a week and it’s definitely going to get me healthier (ie improve cardio, remove BF) but I don’t see it really making me much stronger- we have done a lot of heavy squats and deadlifts though so maybe my lower half will get stronger. Upper body not so much.
It would definitely be cool to be able to coach PL out of their so I could utilize all their equipment and get in on some of the conditioning too. However, there is no chance I would use crossfit WODs to prep for any sort of conditioning aside from GPP for something like an obstacle course.
