You can also get a big yucca (far tastier than a white potato) for dirt cheap at a bodega. Boil it and you’ll have enough starchy carbs for several meals.
I also get mangoes for a buck each.
Bricknyce…I’m roughly 210 lbs. Don’t get it twisted…I know I could go at this clean. I know I’m not “huge.” However, I am a college student with little to no income and it is very convenient to eat the way I do. I don’t need some absurd amount to grow. Eating 3000 cals a day will result in growth. My lifestyle is busy enough that getting that without junk food or expenses, however, is a challenge. I am a college student and dedicate honestly not enough time by this boards standards…bodybuilding is simply one part of my life. I have not evolved to the hardcore level many on here have reached. Everyone starts somewhere.
[quote]Houston07 wrote:
I have not evolved to the hardcore level many on here have reached. Everyone starts somewhere. [/quote]
LOL. Dude, there may be 5-10 people on this whole site who would qualify as “hardcore” in the sense of building muscle mass specifically. The truth is, most really big guys ate just like that at that age to put most of that size on. They started cleaning up their diets later. This isn’t what most want to hear. For instance, Synergy93 is one of the more stand out posters in terms of physique on this site…yet in his own thread, newbs skip right over the fact that this guy once weighed over 300lbs much softer than he is now…as if that had nothing to do with the level of size he is carrying now. CT on this site is similar in that he built much of his muscular base by not being as strict with his diet as he is now.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t guys out there making gains by eating clean at all times. There are, but more times than not in my opinion (and my personal opinion is all it is), these are not the type who gained most of that solid base of mass naturally OR they are the type who never get that really thick look to their physiques…and to make that even more clear, I am NOT talking about people who weigh 200lbs or less relatively lean.
I’ve seen CT suggest both “clean” and “dirty” eating which had confused me in the past.
In articles I’ve seen him state the importance of eating clean foods… then in forum posts write that he has some of his clients eat fast food once a day just to get in enough calories.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’ve seen CT suggest both “clean” and “dirty” eating which had confused me in the past.
In articles I’ve seen him state the importance of eating clean foods… then in forum posts write that he has some of his clients eat fast food once a day just to get in enough calories.
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I think what CT is saying is that certain people can get away with eating fast foods and still be fine while others cant. Others have said that in this thread also, and I agree. Some people can eat less clean than others while trying to gain muscle and be fine. Whats important is figuring out which type of person you are.
You wrote: “Bricknyce…I know I’m not huge.”
This is why it’s not necessary to resort to eating “dirty” to get in enough food.
You wrote: “However, I am a college student with little to no income and it is very convenient to eat the way I do. I don’t need some absurd amount to grow. Eating 3000 cals a day will result in growth.”
This is why I took the time and thought to mention some things to you.
You wrote: “My lifestyle is busy enough that getting that without junk food or expenses, however, is a challenge. I am a college student and dedicate honestly not enough time by this boards standards…bodybuilding is simply one part of my life. I have not evolved to the hardcore level many on here have reached. Everyone starts somewhere.”
Good! Because this shit comes second to a college degree - a degree that might set you up for a great career and perhaps costs thousands and thousands of dollars and several years to complete–far more important than muscles or a bench press! It’s OK if you don’t reach hardcore; most don’t! And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
So take it easy (not in the gym though) and be resourceful.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’ve seen CT suggest both “clean” and “dirty” eating which had confused me in the past.
In articles I’ve seen him state the importance of eating clean foods… then in forum posts write that he has some of his clients eat fast food once a day just to get in enough calories.
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I’m pretty sure he espouses eating clean for MOST of his clients and MOST people. When people write articles, they usually have to speak in GENERAL, COLLECTIVE terms–not INDIVIDUAL terms. Otherwise communicating becomes quite a hassle.
Most REGULAR people (that is, NOT Dorian Yates and Jay Cutler or Evan Centopani (who in YT clips seems like he spends entire days in a fucking kitchen preparing!) don’t need to resort to eating “dirty” until their caloric amount reaches about 5,000 calories a day. And most non-behemoth, genetically ordinary dudes don’t even need all that.
It also depends on lifestyle. CT is an AWESOME trainer, but I’m pretty sure that much of his client list does NOT consist of IFBB pros who don’t need a day job to survive. So it’s easier for some people who have to take in 6,000 cals to go to a drive-through rather than spend entire days on food prep a la Evan Centopani.
[quote]Houston07 wrote:
Bricknyce…I’m roughly 210 lbs. Don’t get it twisted…I know I could go at this clean. I know I’m not “huge.” However, I am a college student with little to no income and it is very convenient to eat the way I do. I don’t need some absurd amount to grow. Eating 3000 cals a day will result in growth. My lifestyle is busy enough that getting that without junk food or expenses, however, is a challenge. I am a college student and dedicate honestly not enough time by this boards standards…bodybuilding is simply one part of my life. I have not evolved to the hardcore level many on here have reached. Everyone starts somewhere. [/quote]
What’s your training schedule like?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
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Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
I too am a college student. Get your priorities straight, thats all I have to say. If you want to bodybuild, find a way to put in the time, because there is time. It doesnt seem like you want to be that dedicated, but if you do, there is no reason why u cant find the time.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
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Look, the guy alluded that he is an ordinary college guy who does this to keep in shape and for recreation. People who are hardcore (Waylander for example) USUALLY don’t say stuff like, “Look, I’m a busy college student with limited resources and do this as a hobby and recreation and health.” To ME (this is the way I take it and I could be wrong) this doesn’t sound hardcore at all and it doesn’t sound like someone who has lifting in the top 1 to 3 priorities of his life. A more hardcore statement would be (to ME): “Even if I fall short, I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get big with the limited resources I have for the time being and I’m willing to lessen my busyness in other areas so I can be busy with lifting and eating.”
MOST people do not have the fortitude that someone like X has to excel in exceedingly difficult secondary education (medicine of all things) AND to excel in hardcore bodybuilding. This is why I write the way I write. People who have/had their head on straight with this shit coming out the gate at 16 to 21 years old (Waylander, X) have/had the inherent inclination for this thing and just needed some guidance and some observation of others along the way.
Bricknyce…my training schedule is not conventional by any means. I should probably be more organized than I am (keep a log, etc.) but I just never have. When I played sports in high school, I was always on a rigid routine and hated it. I workout very frequently, however. I usually lift 5-6 days a week. I center my workouts around the staple lifts (I am interested in powerlifting). One day a week I bench (usually 5-6 intense sets) and follow it with iso work. One day I squat. One day I dead. I never follow one compound lift day with another just so I don’t overwhelm myself/ get injured. To give my CNS some rest I might insert a pure arm day or shoulders as I see fit. I definitely hit every muscle group. I always end my workouts with iso work just to really get the blood flowing. What I work on any given day is not random by any means as it might appear. I choose based off of how I feel and what muscles haven’t been hit in a few days. I’m not new to lifting by any means (started in middle school). However, I am new to truly trying to get massive and want to go about this the right way.
Thanks all. I am going to attempt to be more health conscious to start the day and if the caloric needs aren’t met by nightfall, capitilize on that college metabolism and have at that drive thru.
Pics to come when I can get my hands on a digital.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
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Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
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Oh, and my answer to that is, USUALLY.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
[/quote]
Look, the guy alluded that he is an ordinary college guy who does this to keep in shape and for recreation. People who are hardcore (Waylander for example) USUALLY don’t say stuff like, “Look, I’m a busy college student with limited resources and do this as a hobby and recreation and health.” To ME (this is the way I take it and I could be wrong) this doesn’t sound hardcore at all and it doesn’t sound like someone who has lifting in the top 1 to 3 priorities of his life. A more hardcore statement would be (to ME): “Even if I fall short, I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get big with the limited resources I have for the time being and I’m willing to lessen my busyness in other areas so I can be busy with lifting and eating.”
MOST people do not have the fortitude that someone like X has to excel in exceedingly difficult secondary education (medicine of all things) AND to excel in hardcore bodybuilding. This is why I write the way I write. People who have/had their head on straight with this shit coming out the gate at 16 to 21 years old (Waylander, X) have/had the inherent inclination for this thing and just needed some guidance and some observation of others along the way. [/quote]
I think you are assuming quite a bit. Yes, I am very serious in the gym and always have been. NO, I do not and never have made my diet so boring, difficult, or hyper-analytical as to do things much differently than Houston. People consider me “hardcore” because of the results made and the work I put in. That doesn’t mean “hardcore” also means eat like a competing bodybuilder all year long.
Waylander doesn’t take college anywhere near as seriously as I did. I had goals of getting into medical or dental school.
I worked my ass off in class and then used the gym to let off steam.
Being a diet nazi is NOT what is implied with “hardcore”.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
[/quote]
Oh, and my answer to that is, USUALLY. [/quote]
I tend to disagree, but I’m not going to argue with you about it. We obviously see the world from completely different perspectives and expect completely different types of fulfillment from lifting. So it wouldn’t be worth either of our time.
In regards to your other response to my question: fair enough. I can fully admit that sometimes I let my own goals and aspirations cloud my perception of other people’s. I just assumed that someone willing to put on fat and eat like that was taking this a bit more serious. My bad.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
[/quote]
Oh, and my answer to that is, USUALLY. [/quote]
I tend to disagree, but I’m not going to argue with you about it. We obviously see the world from completely different perspectives and expect completely different types of fulfillment from lifting. So it wouldn’t be worth either of our time.
In regards to your other response to my question: fair enough. I can fully admit that sometimes I let my own goals and aspirations cloud my perception of other people’s. I just assumed that someone willing to put on fat and eat like that was taking this a bit more serious. My bad.[/quote]
I agree with you. Nothing Houston has written makes me think he is any less “hardcore” than I was in the same position. School always took priority, but shit, even as a biology major involved in many other activities, lifting was the constant that kept me sane…so I just don’t understand someone thinking you can’t be “hardcore” in the gym and the classroom without eating like a competing bodybuilder at all times.
To gain that initial mass when the goal is to be really fucking huge takes priority for some over where all of the calories are coming from.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
[/quote]
Oh, and my answer to that is, USUALLY. [/quote]
I tend to disagree, but I’m not going to argue with you about it. We obviously see the world from completely different perspectives and expect completely different types of fulfillment from lifting. So it wouldn’t be worth either of our time.
In regards to your other response to my question: fair enough. I can fully admit that sometimes I let my own goals and aspirations cloud my perception of other people’s. I just assumed that someone willing to put on fat and eat like that was taking this a bit more serious. My bad.[/quote]
I agree with you. Nothing Houston has written makes me think he is any less “hardcore” than I was in the same position. School always took priority, but shit, even as a biology major involved in many other activities, lifting was the constant that kept me sane…so I just don’t understand someone thinking you can’t be “hardcore” in the gym and the classroom without eating like a competing bodybuilder at all times.
To gain that initial mass when the goal is to be really fucking huge takes priority for some over where all of the calories are coming from.[/quote]
I didn’t mean hardcore as in RESTRICTION (eg, contest dieting).
Just to add, I think more beginners would see way more progress if they simplified all of this bullshit, worked more on total caloric intake while taking in a constant amount of protein (1-1.5gr of protein per pound of body weight has worked for many assuming no obesity) and simply worked on gaining that size and strength for a couple of years rather than breaking down food intake into molecules.
In my opinion, tons of people can go all out for a few weeks at a time before an extended lay off, but the real hardcore people are the ones who make this a constant lifestyle whether they eat perfectly clean or hit up Mc Donald’s a few times a week.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to add, I think more beginners would see way more progress if they simplified all of this bullshit, worked more on total caloric intake while taking in a constant amount of protein (1-1.5gr of protein per pound of body weight has worked for many assuming no obesity) and simply worked on gaining that size and strength for a couple of years rather than breaking down food intake into molecules.
In my opinion, tons of people can go all out for a few weeks at a time before an extended lay off, but the real hardcore people are the ones who make this a constant lifestyle whether they eat perfectly clean or hit up Mc Donald’s a few times a week.[/quote]
Good point. Having time to train every day is the only way I can blow off stress and have an hour or 2 where I don’t worry about ANYTHING. I spent a summer carb cycling and being a diet nazi, and I saw decent results. But, the only way I’ve actually made gains is by upping my calories to the point where I can finally grow and see strength and size improvement in the gym. Plus, not being so strict definitely helps you have a social life - where going out to dinner with friends and pounding a few cheeseburgers isn’t a big deal.
I’m studying finance and real estate, so it’s not as library intensive as biology but I still have to bust my ass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m certain you’ll never earn one red cent from being hardcore, your physique, or your physical performance.
[/quote]
Because making money at something is necessary in order to take it serious?
[/quote]
Look, the guy alluded that he is an ordinary college guy who does this to keep in shape and for recreation. People who are hardcore (Waylander for example) USUALLY don’t say stuff like, “Look, I’m a busy college student with limited resources and do this as a hobby and recreation and health.” To ME (this is the way I take it and I could be wrong) this doesn’t sound hardcore at all and it doesn’t sound like someone who has lifting in the top 1 to 3 priorities of his life. A more hardcore statement would be (to ME): “Even if I fall short, I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get big with the limited resources I have for the time being and I’m willing to lessen my busyness in other areas so I can be busy with lifting and eating.”
MOST people do not have the fortitude that someone like X has to excel in exceedingly difficult secondary education (medicine of all things) AND to excel in hardcore bodybuilding. This is why I write the way I write. People who have/had their head on straight with this shit coming out the gate at 16 to 21 years old (Waylander, X) have/had the inherent inclination for this thing and just needed some guidance and some observation of others along the way. [/quote]
I think you are assuming quite a bit. Yes, I am very serious in the gym and always have been. NO, I do not and never have made my diet so boring, difficult, or hyper-analytical as to do things much differently than Houston. People consider me “hardcore” because of the results made and the work I put in. That doesn’t mean “hardcore” also means eat like a competing bodybuilder all year long.
Waylander doesn’t take college anywhere near as seriously as I did. I had goals of getting into medical or dental school.
I worked my ass off in class and then used the gym to let off steam.
Being a diet nazi is NOT what is implied with “hardcore”.[/quote]
While I don’t have a problem with you saying you take things more seriously then I did, since that’s true, keep this in mind: The nutrition major is sequenced meaning that certain classes are only offered in the fall or spring. It is impossible for me to take 19+ hours as you said you did. I can only take 12-15 at a time that pertain to my major otherwise I would be working towards a minor.
This means I have much more time to work/cook meals etc. I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about me because I made that one thread about not being motivated in college because I was unsure what career path I wanted to take. Your were more motivated towards academics, I was more motivated towards bodybuilding. That doesn’t make you any better or worse than me.