Cephalic Carnage: How Do You Train?

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

Doggcrapp and the method has been explained in full detail multiple times in the last few months[/quote]

Yup. There’s a thread in the T-Cell about it and a big one in the Bodybuildong forum. I’d definitely suggest reading through those (especially the one in the Bodybuilding forum, starting around Page 2.)

I saw earlier you posted asking about the Cycles for Pennies… trust me, it’s a clusterfuck and you don’t want the headache of sifting through years and years of horrible formatting and repeated/slightly modified information.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

Doggcrapp and the method has been explained in full detail multiple times in the last few months

Yup. There’s a thread in the T-Cell about it and a big one in the Bodybuildong forum. I’d definitely suggest reading through those (especially the one in the Bodybuilding forum, starting around Page 2.)

I saw earlier you posted asking about the Cycles for Pennies… trust me, it’s a clusterfuck and you don’t want the headache of sifting through years and years of horrible formatting and repeated/slightly modified information.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s one in the T-Cell section yet is there?

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I had a look but was able to find it. Do you guys recall the name of the thread?

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Okay actually I think I found it…

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/trying_doggcrap_training

Seeing as it is FUCKING HUGE it is probably the one you were talking about SSC. Thanks for the help!

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?[/quote]

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

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Until I get that “article” done, just go watch BB vids/DVD’s by Frank McGrath (his animal dvd) etc…

That should give you an idea of how they ramp etc.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Until I get that “article” done, just go watch BB vids/DVD’s by Frank McGrath (his animal dvd) etc…

That should give you an idea of how they ramp etc.
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I’m sure that’ll give some preworkout effect too!

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.[/quote]

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

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Hey Ceph! I just read that you use 5/3/1 on a lot of lifts. Besides from gaining strength, do you gain size, at a decent rate, in the bodyparts the lifts train? Dont get me wrong though, I believe in the “progressive-poundages-build-Muscle-dictum” just curious because the reps are quiet low and I am thinking about giving 5/3/1 a try.

Thanks

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

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No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.[/quote]

I thought the original thing he was asking how to do was pyramiding up in sets, not DC. If it was DC, well then yeah this guy isn’t ready.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.

I thought the original thing he was asking how to do was pyramiding up in sets, not DC. If it was DC, well then yeah this guy isn’t ready.[/quote]

Well, maybe I misunderstood him, but it seemed to me like he was asking about DC. Even if he wasn’t, Prof X’s thread would still be a good reference for ramping.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.

I thought the original thing he was asking how to do was pyramiding up in sets, not DC. If it was DC, well then yeah this guy isn’t ready.

Well, maybe I misunderstood him, but it seemed to me like he was asking about DC. Even if he wasn’t, Prof X’s thread would still be a good reference for ramping.[/quote]

I have read through the entire Prof X thread. Originally I was asking about ramping because from X’s thread I was under the impression that is what he and CC did. So I read this entire thread and CC mentioned DC a few times so I thought DC was the training style both he and X used that incorporated ramping. So is what X does considered DC or no cause he doesn’t seem to rotate exercises. As for myself, I had no delusions to try DC with my level of experience, however, in his thread X said his ramping style is something he did fairly early so I thought that I could give that a go in the near future.

As an aside, thank you Sentoguy for your help. And That One Guy, if all your going to do is be sarcastic and critical then just don’t respond to my post(s).

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.

I thought the original thing he was asking how to do was pyramiding up in sets, not DC. If it was DC, well then yeah this guy isn’t ready.

Well, maybe I misunderstood him, but it seemed to me like he was asking about DC. Even if he wasn’t, Prof X’s thread would still be a good reference for ramping.

I have read through the entire Prof X thread. Originally I was asking about ramping because from X’s thread I was under the impression that is what he and CC did. So I read this entire thread and CC mentioned DC a few times so I thought DC was the training style both he and X used that incorporated ramping. So is what X does considered DC or no cause he doesn’t seem to rotate exercises. As for myself, I had no delusions to try DC with my level of experience, however, in his thread X said his ramping style is something he did fairly early so I thought that I could give that a go in the near future.

As an aside, thank you Sentoguy for your help. And That One Guy, if all your going to do is be sarcastic and critical then just don’t respond to my post(s).

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Do you really think my posts are that terrible, I mean honestly? I suppose it’s just the tone you read the posts in because when I reread my posts they really aren’t that bad. I just don’t sugarcoat it, I just answer.

I suppose it’s also because I don’t consider over-the-internet conversation to be like a real interaction. I mean we’re two faceless people who have never, and probably will never, meet each other. I’m sorry if you really are offended, I just personally can’t imagine being offended by anything said over the internet.

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Ya man I know what you are saying and its not that I am offended by what you are saying, its just that everyone has to learn and ask questions that others who know their stuff may look at as stupid. Just that some say hey thats stupid and others just help the guy out, and I think the latter is the way to go.

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Ya man I know what you are saying and its not that I am offended by what you are saying, its just that everyone has to learn and ask questions that others who know their stuff may look at as stupid. Just that some say hey thats stupid and others just help the guy out, and I think the latter is the way to go.[/quote]

I agree for the most part. You’re (thatoneguy) basically an example of “the 160lb kid giving out advice as an authority” all the bigger guys here talk about.

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[quote]GodOfSteele wrote:
Hey Ceph! I just read that you use 5/3/1 on a lot of lifts. Besides from gaining strength, do you gain size, at a decent rate, in the bodyparts the lifts train? Dont get me wrong though, I believe in the “progressive-poundages-build-Muscle-dictum” just curious because the reps are quiet low and I am thinking about giving 5/3/1 a try.

Thanks[/quote]

The reps are not really low.

5/3/1 allows you to go to failure/close to it (rep out past your rep goal of the day) on your last set of every 5/3/1 exercise each wave but on the deload one…

So if it’s 3*3 week then I only need to do
weight 1 * 3
weight 2 * 3
weight 3 * 3, but I may rep out here and get 5-7 reps or so.

5/3/1 works with a reduced/underestimated max and various loading parameters, cycles intensity etc… You need to read the ebook (one of the 2).

You never have to max out on 5/3/1 or do a double or anything, you generally get more reps on your last set and it’s not that dissimilar to standard bb ramping… Just that the weights used are closer together and that you cycle intensity.

So to answer your question, yeah, those extra reps you get on your last set pretty much make this suited for bbing…

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:

I have read through the entire Prof X thread. Originally I was asking about ramping because from X’s thread I was under the impression that is what he and CC did. So I read this entire thread and CC mentioned DC a few times so I thought DC was the training style both he and X used that incorporated ramping. So is what X does considered DC or no cause he doesn’t seem to rotate exercises. As for myself, I had no delusions to try DC with my level of experience, however, in his thread X said his ramping style is something he did fairly early so I thought that I could give that a go in the near future.

As an aside, thank you Sentoguy for your help. And That One Guy, if all your going to do is be sarcastic and critical then just don’t respond to my post(s).

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Ramping is used even on DC by most of the stronger guys, you just do an rest-paust set at the end or 2 sets at different rep ranges instead of one top set.

Ramping is not a routine or something, it’s just a way to go about your sets.

DC is a training philosophy/“routine” and somewhat different from standard bb training.

What X is doing (which is also what I used to do and am pretty much doing again now, due to my gym situation not allowing for DC) is standard bb training.

Stick to standard bb for now…

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[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

What do you need before you train, a novel? You need to get a feel for it yourself man. It’s not open heart surgery.

Lol not quite bro. Switching between programs is nothing but since you stick with this for a long while I would like to understand it better than I do know and go in the gym and ‘get a feel’ for something I don’t really understand. Thanks again SSC for the input and CC I have been watching tons of BB vids…just got through Phil Heath’s The Gift which was pretty damn interesting.

No offense meant, but I don’t think you’re ready to do DC. With your level of experience and muscularity, you’d most likely make faster gains using a more linear approach (DC uses an exercise rotation, which you don’t need at this point).

Instead, check out Prof X’s “request” thread and use that as a basic template, check out FattyFat’s thread in the T-Cell and take note between his lack of fear about eating/fat gain and how quickly he’s improved in terms of muscularity, and of course read back over this thread for C_C’s nuggets of wisdom.

I thought the original thing he was asking how to do was pyramiding up in sets, not DC. If it was DC, well then yeah this guy isn’t ready.

Well, maybe I misunderstood him, but it seemed to me like he was asking about DC. Even if he wasn’t, Prof X’s thread would still be a good reference for ramping.

I have read through the entire Prof X thread. Originally I was asking about ramping because from X’s thread I was under the impression that is what he and CC did. So I read this entire thread and CC mentioned DC a few times so I thought DC was the training style both he and X used that incorporated ramping. So is what X does considered DC or no cause he doesn’t seem to rotate exercises. As for myself, I had no delusions to try DC with my level of experience, however, in his thread X said his ramping style is something he did fairly early so I thought that I could give that a go in the near future.
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What X did/does is not DC, but it is founded on the same basic principles (which is why both systems work) of ramping, a focus on strength increases within a moderate rep range, and eating big.

You absolutely can do what X describes in his thread from a very early stage and make significant progress with it. That’s why I suggested you checking out that thread.

No problem. Now you’ve got to put that advice to use though or else it won’t do you any good.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GodOfSteele wrote:
Hey Ceph! I just read that you use 5/3/1 on a lot of lifts. Besides from gaining strength, do you gain size, at a decent rate, in the bodyparts the lifts train? Dont get me wrong though, I believe in the “progressive-poundages-build-Muscle-dictum” just curious because the reps are quiet low and I am thinking about giving 5/3/1 a try.

Thanks

The reps are not really low.

5/3/1 allows you to go to failure/close to it (rep out past your rep goal of the day) on your last set of every 5/3/1 exercise each wave but on the deload one…

So if it’s 3*3 week then I only need to do
weight 1 * 3
weight 2 * 3
weight 3 * 3, but I may rep out here and get 5-7 reps or so.

5/3/1 works with a reduced/underestimated max and various loading parameters, cycles intensity etc… You need to read the ebook (one of the 2).

You never have to max out on 5/3/1 or do a double or anything, you generally get more reps on your last set and it’s not that dissimilar to standard bb ramping… Just that the weights used are closer together and that you cycle intensity.

So to answer your question, yeah, those extra reps you get on your last set pretty much make this suited for bbing…

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Ich verstehe. Nice. I´ll get the book.
Thanks