Cephalic Carnage: How Do You Train?

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Hey C_C what’s the difference between the Inhuman CGBP and a regular CGBP? It’s not the Dante Reverse Grip Bench Press right?

No, though there are a few similarities in how you set up.

IH cgp= In the smith, chest/sternum high, the usual ass off the end of the bench, low-back and upper-back/delts on the bench at all times… Armpit-wide grip on the bar (suicide grip is what I’d use), elbows flared. (not a reverse grip)

You press towards your feet as well as up just like you would do on SRGB’s.

Close Grip Bench Press - YouTube ← like this (grip wise and elbow wise) but in the smith and trying to press towards feet and up.

thank you sir

My pleasure!

Cash or credit card?

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

How can you tuck your elbows with such a narrow grip and when using a non-straight bar? If you’ve seen that in the vids we recently had in the forum (the old battle for the O vids), then those certainly weren’t tucked…

Well they kept their elbows near their sides as much as possible. You’re right though… they were probably flaring more than I realized. And nah, not those vids:) just a couple big guys I’ve seen at the gym before.

Your left wrist? Other than getting wrist wraps… What do you mean it gives out? Are you using a suicide (thumbless) grip? You should actually be fine, your wrist will be cocked back a bit but should fall all the way back… Can you describe the issue in a bit more detail?

I can try my best to describe it. I use a regular grip… with thumbs. I set my hands up on the bar about shoulder width apart… but I go in just a little. I didn’t like shoulder width completely because it just felt funky for me. So I go in about half my hand from shoulder width.

So then I’ll be doing the reps… tucking my elbows as much as i can. I’ve been doing the full ROM. I can’t keep my left wrist from falling back but I can keep my right from falling back.

My left wrist will begin to ache on the 3rd rep and by the 4th or 5th my left wrist will ache enough where I fear to continue with the set. It feels like my wrist is about to break or something (probably isn’t… but it causes me to panic quite badly).

thanks again Ceph

I’d suggest taking C_C’s advice of getting yourself some wrist wraps and using a suicide (thumbless) grip. That in itself should pretty much eliminate your problem.

It also sounds like your left wrist is weaker than your right. So, I don’t know what you are doing for forearm work, but you might want to throw in some wrist curls/wrist rollers or another good wrist flexion exercise as well.

wait are u guys talking about reverse or in human close grip bench that u shud use straps on. Im lost haha[/quote]

I use them on both personally as both place a fair amount of stress on the wrists. Whether or not you should use them somewhat depends on whether you feel you need them though. Personally I like to do things to prevent myself from getting injured in the first place, so I tend to err on the side of caution.

Guys, I tried the thumbless grip today and it did feel really good for some reason. It felt like my muscles just worked better.

I felt alot stronger with it but my wrists… man… Idk what the heck is up with them. Now I’m getting the same pain & discomfort from incline & flat too… along CGBP. When I let go of the bar after doing anything there is also this really wierd burning pain in my wrists and forearms. I was able to get 1 more rep with the thumbless grip until my wrists started to bother me again.

How do the wrist wraps work exactly?

And as far as wrist curls go: I can’t even do them with my right wrist and I haven’t been able to in a long time. I’ve told Ceph this before… but my right wrist kinda ‘pops’ / feels like something dislocates when I even use a 20lb DB for wrist curls.

Would wrist wraps even help as far as that dislocating feeling goes? APT is probably the best choice too?

I haven’t worried too much about direct forearm work as I figured I was getting enough stimulation from back movements & hammer curls. I do , do that ‘thor’s hammer’ type movement though. And I have a pair of grip trainers that I close/use alot.

I am up for anything though as it is beyond frustrating to know I could probably be getting about twice as many reps with a given weight if it weren’t for my wrists.

I’ll see what I can do about a video too, Ceph.

Thanks again guys.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

How can you tuck your elbows with such a narrow grip and when using a non-straight bar? If you’ve seen that in the vids we recently had in the forum (the old battle for the O vids), then those certainly weren’t tucked…

Well they kept their elbows near their sides as much as possible. You’re right though… they were probably flaring more than I realized. And nah, not those vids:) just a couple big guys I’ve seen at the gym before.

Your left wrist? Other than getting wrist wraps… What do you mean it gives out? Are you using a suicide (thumbless) grip? You should actually be fine, your wrist will be cocked back a bit but should fall all the way back… Can you describe the issue in a bit more detail?

I can try my best to describe it. I use a regular grip… with thumbs. I set my hands up on the bar about shoulder width apart… but I go in just a little. I didn’t like shoulder width completely because it just felt funky for me. So I go in about half my hand from shoulder width.

So then I’ll be doing the reps… tucking my elbows as much as i can. I’ve been doing the full ROM. I can’t keep my left wrist from falling back but I can keep my right from falling back.

My left wrist will begin to ache on the 3rd rep and by the 4th or 5th my left wrist will ache enough where I fear to continue with the set. It feels like my wrist is about to break or something (probably isn’t… but it causes me to panic quite badly).

thanks again Ceph

I’d suggest taking C_C’s advice of getting yourself some wrist wraps and using a suicide (thumbless) grip. That in itself should pretty much eliminate your problem.

It also sounds like your left wrist is weaker than your right. So, I don’t know what you are doing for forearm work, but you might want to throw in some wrist curls/wrist rollers or another good wrist flexion exercise as well.

wait are u guys talking about reverse or in human close grip bench that u shud use straps on. Im lost haha

I use them on both personally as both place a fair amount of stress on the wrists. Whether or not you should use them somewhat depends on whether you feel you need them though. Personally I like to do things to prevent myself from getting injured in the first place, so I tend to err on the side of caution.[/quote]

o gotcha, and the thumbless grip for both also? Also for free weight cgbp u dont use straps right?

[quote]crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

How can you tuck your elbows with such a narrow grip and when using a non-straight bar? If you’ve seen that in the vids we recently had in the forum (the old battle for the O vids), then those certainly weren’t tucked…

Well they kept their elbows near their sides as much as possible. You’re right though… they were probably flaring more than I realized. And nah, not those vids:) just a couple big guys I’ve seen at the gym before.

Your left wrist? Other than getting wrist wraps… What do you mean it gives out? Are you using a suicide (thumbless) grip? You should actually be fine, your wrist will be cocked back a bit but should fall all the way back… Can you describe the issue in a bit more detail?

I can try my best to describe it. I use a regular grip… with thumbs. I set my hands up on the bar about shoulder width apart… but I go in just a little. I didn’t like shoulder width completely because it just felt funky for me. So I go in about half my hand from shoulder width.

So then I’ll be doing the reps… tucking my elbows as much as i can. I’ve been doing the full ROM. I can’t keep my left wrist from falling back but I can keep my right from falling back.

My left wrist will begin to ache on the 3rd rep and by the 4th or 5th my left wrist will ache enough where I fear to continue with the set. It feels like my wrist is about to break or something (probably isn’t… but it causes me to panic quite badly).

thanks again Ceph

I’d suggest taking C_C’s advice of getting yourself some wrist wraps and using a suicide (thumbless) grip. That in itself should pretty much eliminate your problem.

It also sounds like your left wrist is weaker than your right. So, I don’t know what you are doing for forearm work, but you might want to throw in some wrist curls/wrist rollers or another good wrist flexion exercise as well.

wait are u guys talking about reverse or in human close grip bench that u shud use straps on. Im lost haha

I use them on both personally as both place a fair amount of stress on the wrists. Whether or not you should use them somewhat depends on whether you feel you need them though. Personally I like to do things to prevent myself from getting injured in the first place, so I tend to err on the side of caution.

o gotcha, and the thumbless grip for both also? Also for free weight cgbp u dont use straps right?[/quote]

For RGBP I prefer to grip the bar, but that’s just me. For close grip, using a “suicide grip” just feels more comfortable (though I personally don’t like using a suicide grip for saftey reasons when doing the free weight version).

Straps no, wraps yes. I use them for basically all heavy pressing exercises (at least for my “work” sets anyhow). But then my wrists take a pounding day in and day out doing carpentry, so I take extra precaution to avoid injuring them while in the gym.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

How can you tuck your elbows with such a narrow grip and when using a non-straight bar? If you’ve seen that in the vids we recently had in the forum (the old battle for the O vids), then those certainly weren’t tucked…

Well they kept their elbows near their sides as much as possible. You’re right though… they were probably flaring more than I realized. And nah, not those vids:) just a couple big guys I’ve seen at the gym before.

Your left wrist? Other than getting wrist wraps… What do you mean it gives out? Are you using a suicide (thumbless) grip? You should actually be fine, your wrist will be cocked back a bit but should fall all the way back… Can you describe the issue in a bit more detail?

I can try my best to describe it. I use a regular grip… with thumbs. I set my hands up on the bar about shoulder width apart… but I go in just a little. I didn’t like shoulder width completely because it just felt funky for me. So I go in about half my hand from shoulder width.

So then I’ll be doing the reps… tucking my elbows as much as i can. I’ve been doing the full ROM. I can’t keep my left wrist from falling back but I can keep my right from falling back.

My left wrist will begin to ache on the 3rd rep and by the 4th or 5th my left wrist will ache enough where I fear to continue with the set. It feels like my wrist is about to break or something (probably isn’t… but it causes me to panic quite badly).

thanks again Ceph

I’d suggest taking C_C’s advice of getting yourself some wrist wraps and using a suicide (thumbless) grip. That in itself should pretty much eliminate your problem.

It also sounds like your left wrist is weaker than your right. So, I don’t know what you are doing for forearm work, but you might want to throw in some wrist curls/wrist rollers or another good wrist flexion exercise as well.

wait are u guys talking about reverse or in human close grip bench that u shud use straps on. Im lost haha

I use them on both personally as both place a fair amount of stress on the wrists. Whether or not you should use them somewhat depends on whether you feel you need them though. Personally I like to do things to prevent myself from getting injured in the first place, so I tend to err on the side of caution.

o gotcha, and the thumbless grip for both also? Also for free weight cgbp u dont use straps right?

For RGBP I prefer to grip the bar, but that’s just me. For close grip, using a “suicide grip” just feels more comfortable (though I personally don’t like using a suicide grip for saftey reasons when doing the free weight version).

Straps no, wraps yes. I use them for basically all heavy pressing exercises (at least for my “work” sets anyhow). But then my wrists take a pounding day in and day out doing carpentry, so I take extra precaution to avoid injuring them while in the gym.[/quote]

wait wraps and straps arent the same thing? haha would u recommend them for anyone with skinny wrists?

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Guys, I tried the thumbless grip today and it did feel really good for some reason. It felt like my muscles just worked better.

I felt alot stronger with it but my wrists… man… Idk what the heck is up with them. Now I’m getting the same pain & discomfort from incline & flat too… along CGBP. When I let go of the bar after doing anything there is also this really wierd burning pain in my wrists and forearms. I was able to get 1 more rep with the thumbless grip until my wrists started to bother me again.
[/quote] Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…
I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while. [quote]
How do the wrist wraps work exactly?

And as far as wrist curls go: I can’t even do them with my right wrist and I haven’t been able to in a long time. I’ve told Ceph this before… but my right wrist kinda ‘pops’ / feels like something dislocates when I even use a 20lb DB for wrist curls.

Would wrist wraps even help as far as that dislocating feeling goes? APT is probably the best choice too?

I haven’t worried too much about direct forearm work as I figured I was getting enough stimulation from back movements & hammer curls. I do , do that ‘thor’s hammer’ type movement though. And I have a pair of grip trainers that I close/use alot. [/quote] Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.
Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely. [quote]

I am up for anything though as it is beyond frustrating to know I could probably be getting about twice as many reps with a given weight if it weren’t for my wrists.

I’ll see what I can do about a video too, Ceph.

Thanks again guys.[/quote]

Well, maybe Sento can add some stuff here (we should merge our threads dude ;D)

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try. [/quote]

Is this alot harder than it sounds?

[quote]
Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely. [/quote]

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Is this alot harder than it sounds?
[/quote] We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ? [quote]

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).[/quote]

Well, normally no one cares about that finger extension stuff, but if you do actual grip training… May help. Just an idea, really.

Dunno if your burning sensation in the forearms and your “popping” wrist are even related, better have a doc look at that stuff…

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Is this alot harder than it sounds?
We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ?

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).

Well, normally no one cares about that finger extension stuff, but if you do actual grip training… May help. Just an idea, really.

Dunno if your burning sensation in the forearms and your “popping” wrist are even related, better have a doc look at that stuff…

[/quote]

I actually know some people who have developed wrist tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and even medial epicondylitis (tennis elbow) from doing extensive heavy grip training. Generally it was the result of failing to do any extension exercises and a resulting overuse/imbalance condition.

I’m not saying this is what you have (and if it is that’s actually a good thing, because all you’d really need to do is give it a break to recover), but I second getting it checked out by a doc to make sure that it isn’t anything serious.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Is this alot harder than it sounds?
We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ?

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).

Well, normally no one cares about that finger extension stuff, but if you do actual grip training… May help. Just an idea, really.

Dunno if your burning sensation in the forearms and your “popping” wrist are even related, better have a doc look at that stuff…

I actually know some people who have developed wrist tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and even medial epicondylitis (tennis elbow) from doing extensive heavy grip training. Generally it was the result of failing to do any extension exercises and a resulting overuse/imbalance condition.

I’m not saying this is what you have (and if it is that’s actually a good thing, because all you’d really need to do is give it a break to recover), but I second getting it checked out by a doc to make sure that it isn’t anything serious.[/quote]

carpal tunnel takes so long to go away its horrible

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Guys, I tried the thumbless grip today and it did feel really good for some reason. It felt like my muscles just worked better.

I felt alot stronger with it but my wrists… man… Idk what the heck is up with them. Now I’m getting the same pain & discomfort from incline & flat too… along CGBP. When I let go of the bar after doing anything there is also this really wierd burning pain in my wrists and forearms.

I was able to get 1 more rep with the thumbless grip until my wrists started to bother me again.
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.
How do the wrist wraps work exactly?

And as far as wrist curls go: I can’t even do them with my right wrist and I haven’t been able to in a long time. I’ve told Ceph this before… but my right wrist kinda ‘pops’ / feels like something dislocates when I even use a 20lb DB for wrist curls.

Would wrist wraps even help as far as that dislocating feeling goes? APT is probably the best choice too?

I haven’t worried too much about direct forearm work as I figured I was getting enough stimulation from back movements & hammer curls.

I do , do that ‘thor’s hammer’ type movement though. And I have a pair of grip trainers that I close/use alot. Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

I am up for anything though as it is beyond frustrating to know I could probably be getting about twice as many reps with a given weight if it weren’t for my wrists.

I’ll see what I can do about a video too, Ceph.

Thanks again guys.

Well, maybe Sento can add some stuff here (we should merge our threads dude ;D)
[/quote]

It sounds to me like you’re having issues with the nerves in your wrist (a little like carpal tunnel) which is being aggravated when you perform wrist flexion or must support a large load.

Wrist wraps would likely alleviate the pain considerably (along with using a suicide grip where safe and appropriate) while pressing. But doing some extension exercises (like the one C_C mentioned with the rice) would probably be a good idea as well.

In addition to the rice exercise, Ironmind sells mini resistance bands which are designed to be used for finger extension exercises. They come in multiple strengths, so you should be able to find one that fits your current strength levels.

Or, if you don’t want to spend the money, you could always just get a regular rubber band (I’d suggest using either one of those big red ones, or a wide regular one as they will hold up better) and use it the same way. As you get stronger, just double, triple, etc… the rubber band to increase resistance.

C_C, sounds good to me brother. :slight_smile:

[quote]crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Is this alot harder than it sounds?
We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ?

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).

Well, normally no one cares about that finger extension stuff, but if you do actual grip training… May help. Just an idea, really.

Dunno if your burning sensation in the forearms and your “popping” wrist are even related, better have a doc look at that stuff…

I actually know some people who have developed wrist tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and even medial epicondylitis (tennis elbow) from doing extensive heavy grip training. Generally it was the result of failing to do any extension exercises and a resulting overuse/imbalance condition.

I’m not saying this is what you have (and if it is that’s actually a good thing, because all you’d really need to do is give it a break to recover), but I second getting it checked out by a doc to make sure that it isn’t anything serious.

carpal tunnel takes so long to go away its horrible[/quote]

It can, but at least it doesn’t require surgery.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
krazykoukides wrote:
Hmm. You know what, might be a good idea to give your forearms some rest… Take a week off or so, some light de-load stuff…

Lol crap. I hate deloading. My girlfriend has been harping on me to ease off too for a while (well, she always does though… cause she “is afraid” I’ll get “hurt”.)

I’m no doctor, but I’d get that checked out if you haven’t already (don’t recall if you told me, your old pm is buried under dozens of new pages of pms lol, sorry)… Also, no thors hammer or anything for a while.

No worries about the PMs

I never did get my right wrist checked because by the time it was a problem for me… was when I started lifting seriously… years after I had injured it. I figured that the injury’s damage was probably permanent since it happened a good 3 or 4 years ago.

I actually had the injury occur while arm wrestling one of my friends. I was actually on my way to beating him but all of a sudden alot of cracks sounded off from my right wrist/forearm. For a couple weeks I couldn’t even curl my HYUUUGE 12lb weights way back then because of it. lol. I wore my Dad’s wrist brace for a while though… just never went to a doctor.

Maybe I can describe the problem when doing wrist curls a little better though: When curling my wrist… it feels like one of the tendons in my wrist/forearm ‘rolls’ over something… and then something ‘clicks’… and then it feels like part of my wrist dislocates or bends out of place. If I keep pushing through it my wrist will start to feel really hot and numbish.

This is only with my hand supinated as well. I can do reverse/pronated wrist curls with no problem (besides them being hard as hell).

Cephalic_Carnage:

Stop doing that and use a bowl of dry rice, put your hand in, open your fingers/hand, hand out, in again, open up, repeat… Worth a try.

Is this alot harder than it sounds?
We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ?

Sounds like you actually placed quite a bit of emphasis on grip training and forgot about the opposite completely.

Well, yes. I never thought the opposite of grip training would even be important. I trained grip heavily because grip is a huge weakness of mine (I got small hands too:)).

Well, normally no one cares about that finger extension stuff, but if you do actual grip training… May help. Just an idea, really.

Dunno if your burning sensation in the forearms and your “popping” wrist are even related, better have a doc look at that stuff…

I actually know some people who have developed wrist tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and even medial epicondylitis (tennis elbow) from doing extensive heavy grip training. Generally it was the result of failing to do any extension exercises and a resulting overuse/imbalance condition.

I’m not saying this is what you have (and if it is that’s actually a good thing, because all you’d really need to do is give it a break to recover), but I second getting it checked out by a doc to make sure that it isn’t anything serious.

carpal tunnel takes so long to go away its horrible

It can, but at least it doesn’t require surgery.[/quote]

this is true

Hey guys! Sorry I didn’t reply… been through alot the last few days. My Grandfather had a heart attack and the whole bit…

Thanks both of you Ceph & Sentoguy.

[quote] Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
We’ll see… You need a deep “bowl” for that stuff :slight_smile:
Do you get that burning sensation in both forearms after pressing ? [/quote]

I get the burning sensation after grabbing the bar at all for more than 5 seconds and then letting go.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

It sounds to me like you’re having issues with the nerves in your wrist (a little like carpal tunnel) which is being aggravated when you perform wrist flexion or must support a large load.

Wrist wraps would likely alleviate the pain considerably (along with using a suicide grip where safe and appropriate) while pressing. But doing some extension exercises (like the one C_C mentioned with the rice) would probably be a good idea as well. [/quote]

I got some wrist wraps from APT. I can’t wait to try them and see if they help. I really hope they do. I’ve been taking it easy this week so if they help alot I can’t wait to hit it hard again. I absolutely hate deloading.

[quote]
In addition to the rice exercise, Ironmind sells mini resistance bands which are designed to be used for finger extension exercises. They come in multiple strengths, so you should be able to find one that fits your current strength levels.

Or, if you don’t want to spend the money, you could always just get a regular rubber band (I’d suggest using either one of those big red ones, or a wide regular one as they will hold up better) and use it the same way. As you get stronger, just double, triple, etc… the rubber band to increase resistance.

C_C, sounds good to me brother. :slight_smile: [/quote]
Thanks for the pointer. I’ll definitely use rubber bands… lol… I’m frugal as hell.

Thanks alot guys!

Krazy, do let some doc check that out as well… If you get that weird sensation from just gripping and letting go of the bar…

Hope everything’s all right now in real life man.

Thanks Scott. Basically I am looking for a book or article to explain fully the whole idea of a workout based on training 1 body part a day and using ramping like CC, X and the pros use.

[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Thanks Scott. Basically I am looking for a book or article to explain fully the whole idea of a workout based on training 1 body part a day and using ramping like CC, X and the pros use.[/quote]

It’s pretty simple to understand, the ramping concept I mean. You start off with a light weight, up the weight each set until you get to a top set where you use a weight that you can get 5-10 reps or so. All the sets before the top set, usually 2-4 sets, are just warm up sets, you don’t go near failure except for the top set.

Just get a feel for it, it’s a lot more instinctual. I personally love this ramping style and have ever since the first day I started doing it.

Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?

[quote]MMAniac wrote:
Ya I get it more or less, but I would actually like to have something talking about it in full detail. That way I could refer back to it as well. Btw what does DC stand for?[/quote]

Doggcrapp and the method has been explained in full detail multiple times in the last few months