OK i been hearing about carb cut offs from you for a while now but never really inquired into them. From what i understand you just cut out carbs completely after a certain point in the day. Normally this would be a simple issue however since i work night shift and my friend has insomnia we often don’t sleep until around 2-5 in the morning.
My question is since were not keeping regular hours, how many hours before we sleep should we start to cut out carbs?
Hey Cephalic_Carnage,
I’m on low calories right now so I’m not expecting anything great with strength but my bench has been stuck at the same weight x 2 reps for 4 workouts now with the 2nd rep being very hard, no way getting a 3rd. Any suggestions to continue progressing even with the low calories?
That workout goes bench, OH ext., Laterals and the other push workout of the week goes Incline BB Bench (just switched to this), Dips, Military press, strict laterals
[quote]Needmassquick wrote:
Hey Cephalic_Carnage,
I’m on low calories right now so I’m not expecting anything great with strength but my bench has been stuck at the same weight x 2 reps for 4 workouts now with the 2nd rep being very hard, no way getting a 3rd. Any suggestions to continue progressing even with the low calories?
That workout goes bench, OH ext., Laterals and the other push workout of the week goes Incline BB Bench (just switched to this), Dips, Military press, strict laterals[/quote]
You’re very low in reps there… And in a caloric deficit, building a lot of (new) strength isn’t going to happen (with a few exceptions)…
It’ll be very damn hard to get up in reps when you’re that low already coupled with your diet…
Lower the weight and get 5+ reps, or do multiple singles with your current weight (say, 5-6 with enough rest between, but that’s more powerlifting than bbing and probably won’t help you much, size-wise, unless you reach ridiculous numbers).
Anyway, give me a few more details on your routine and macros/cals your eating + bodyweight and strength levels.
[quote]Matthaeus wrote:
OK i been hearing about carb cut offs from you for a while now but never really inquired into them. From what i understand you just cut out carbs completely after a certain point in the day. Normally this would be a simple issue however since i work night shift and my friend has insomnia we often don’t sleep until around 2-5 in the morning.
My question is since were not keeping regular hours, how many hours before we sleep should we start to cut out carbs?[/quote]
I usually do it around 4-5 hours before bed-time, but I’m not sure if that is Dante’s recommendation as well… Check with ScottM.
Btw, you could try carb cycling (shelby starnes’ version) as well. No need to worry about a cutoff and all that… (it’s not just a carb-cutoff, mind you, you also don’t eat any major amounts of fat after cutoff time. It’s all lean protein sources/shakes + vegetables/trace carbs/fiber).
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
You’re very low in reps there… And in a caloric deficit, building a lot of (new) strength isn’t going to happen (with a few exceptions)…
It’ll be very damn hard to get up in reps when you’re that low already coupled with your diet…
Lower the weight and get 5+ reps, or do multiple singles with your current weight (say, 5-6 with enough rest between, but that’s more powerlifting than bbing and probably won’t help you much, size-wise, unless you reach ridiculous numbers).
Anyway, give me a few more details on your routine and macros/cals your eating + bodyweight and strength levels.
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Routine is 2 push days and 2 pull/leg days. Currently doing a CKD, bodyweight of 160 (I know… 
) and OK strength for my size.
I get what you mean about increasing reps when it’s that low considering thats really like a 50% increase just to go from 2 to 3 reps. The other push day has incline following the ramping method with my first work set at 3-5 and the next at 8-10. This push day the bench has been at lower reps (3 dropped down to 2 now because I can’t get that 3 reps).
I’m in this for size but bench and deadlifts are the 2 lifts I actually care about strength on (I care about increasing strength on everything but you know what I mean). So since the other push day already has some good “bodybuilding” work I am really just trying to push my bench numbers up with this other day.
If you want to do 2 work sets… Do something like 5-8 followed by 8-12 or so… Really, 3 reps (dropping down to 2) at your experience level seems a little silly to me (no offense). Chances are your technique isn’t that great yet + it’s very hard to progress in that range while only doing one set in it.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to do 2 work sets… Do something like 5-8 followed by 8-12 or so… Really, 3 reps (dropping down to 2) at your experience level seems a little silly to me (no offense). Chances are your technique isn’t that great yet + it’s very hard to progress in that range while only doing one set in it.
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Well the 2 sets is the 2nd push workout where I’m basically doing exactly as you said…first set is 3-5 (once I get to 5 I wont drop below that anymore), 2nd is 8-10.
But as for the first push workout with flat bench that is stuck at the 2 reps what would you suggest to get that moving again up in weight? I know you brought up some general ideas before but now that you have a bigger picture of what I’m doing do you have any specific ideas for what to do to get it up for now? I know I won’t be having great progress until calories are higher but like I said it’s been the same for 4 workouts now.
Cephalic Carnage
Not such if you have JW manual 5/3/1. If so, with regard to the bodybuilding template in the manual what modification(s) would you incorporate? Would the auxillary/supplmentary execises be done in ramping style or straight sets? What intensity level you be working the auxillary/supplementary? In the 50-70% etc
5/3/1 is for raw lifter to concentrate but would u recommend for hypertrophy we substitute the main lifts with more machine exercise i.e. Smith Squat, Leg Press, Hammer BP, Smith Shoulder Press cos the name of the game in STRENGTH before SIZE.
[quote]phrangan wrote:
Cephalic Carnage
Not such if you have JW manual 5/3/1. If so, with regard to the bodybuilding template in the manual what modification(s) would you incorporate? Would the auxillary/supplmentary execises be done in ramping style or straight sets? What intensity level you be working the auxillary/supplementary? In the 50-70% etc
5/3/1 is for raw lifter to concentrate but would u recommend for hypertrophy we substitute the main lifts with more machine exercise i.e. Smith Squat, Leg Press, Hammer BP, Smith Shoulder Press cos the name of the game in STRENGTH before SIZE.
[/quote]
You need a better translation software 
I would never even consider using the bodybuilding template provided with 5/3/1. It’s terrible…
As a bodybuilder, you want to gain strength in the moderate to high rep ranges on a few key exercises for every major muscle-group. Doing a ton of exercises for high reps+high sets and with little weight doesn’t help you accomplish that.
I have been using 5/3/1 myself… You can incorporate the core principles into a regular bodybuilding routine.
Just do 2-4 main exercises (total) 5/3/1 style, use the loading parameter template that uses the bigger weight-jumps (wave one = 65%*5, 75%*5, 85%*5+)
All accessory work is ramped up standard bb style to keep the volume manageable and joints/tendons healthy…
How you set up the routine doesn’t matter so much. Just be careful with doing squats and deadlifts too close to each other… If you want to shorten your waves to 1 week each, I suggest picking either back squats or deadlifts, not both (low-back issues).
If you’re following the standard 5/3/1 frequency (3 days per week, 4 different workouts total), then you should have no issues with using both squats and deadlifts.
You can use 5/3/1 with a 5 or 6-way split… Or a 4-way… Or a 3-way… Totally up to you. You just have to consider how many exercises to use the 5/3/1 parameters on.
As for machine work…
If you’re a bodybuilder, I’d suggest smith high incline shoulder presses or HS overhead presses over standing military presses…
Whether you use machines for your assistance work depends… If you’ve just done heavy Overhead work 5/3/1 style and your next muscle-group to train that session is triceps… Do you really want to do Close-grip benches with your fatigued shoulders? How are you going to be able to do your best on that exercise?
So in such a case, consider doing In-Human Presses or Wide-RGB in the smith machine or some such, pressing towards your feet as well as up to engage the triceps more and keep the shoudlers out of it.
If you want, post up your routine here and I’ll give you whatever suggestions I might have to improve it.
Cephalic Carnage
Currently recovering from a shoulder strain. Should be ok to train next week.
In the past few months i have been following the bodybuilding template faithfully however things are starting to get stale.
Hope you could help me outline a pure bodybuiling program =)
Your assistance is greatly appreciated & anticipated
[quote]phrangan wrote:
Cephalic Carnage
Currently recovering from a shoulder strain[/quote] What caused it? [quote]. Should be ok to train next week.
In the past few months i have been following the bodybuilding template faithfully however things are starting to get stale.
Hope you could help me outline a pure bodybuiling program =)
Your assistance is greatly appreciated & anticipated
[/quote]
A pure bodybuilding routine… How many days a week do you want to train?
Hello Cephalic.
I have to work out which dead lift to do, the Squat on either side of the dead lift is so damn hard… last week i literally fried my lower back had to lie down to subside the pain Sumo Dead lifts were damn nice Pushmepullme sent me some videos which helped me ALOT. But is the Sumo an OK exercise for thighs or do you know another one i could do ?
For the 4 sets this week, i did the 1st two Sumo style and the last 2 Normal Deadlift Style.
I was suggested maybe Rack Pulls but they may not be a thigh exercise.
Other good news though Leg Press is bloody nice for an ego boost LOL it goes up to 200.25kg so see if i cant max it out in another 16 weeks, MORE challenges 
Also i have put on 7lbs since 10 days ago my legs look really good i can see different parts of my quads lol they aren’t 1 big leg anymore!
Also got my 1st stretch mark on my back must be from Dumbell Rows, all in all GOOD DEAL for me save this deadlift question
Hope all is well with you !
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
phrangan wrote:
Cephalic Carnage
Currently recovering from a shoulder strain What caused it? . Should be ok to train next week.
In the past few months i have been following the bodybuilding template faithfully however things are starting to get stale.
Hope you could help me outline a pure bodybuiling program =)
Your assistance is greatly appreciated & anticipated
A pure bodybuilding routine… How many days a week do you want to train?
[/quote]
Minor strain doing incline smith BP last Fri.
4-5 days
Thanks C_C
[quote]phrangan wrote:
Minor strain doing incline smith BP last Fri.
4-5 days
Thanks C_C[/quote]
A good program it seems alot of T-Nation are doing or have done is found here:
And you don’t even need to buy it if you don’t want to it’s found here:
http://www.slideshare.net/guest5ff101/big-beyond-belief
There’s a 4 day and a 6 day program spread over 18 weeks 
[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
Hello Cephalic.
I have to work out which dead lift to do, the Squat on either side of the dead lift is so damn hard… last week i literally fried my lower back had to lie down to subside the pain Sumo Dead lifts were damn nice Pushmepullme sent me some videos which helped me ALOT. But is the Sumo an OK exercise for thighs or do you know another one i could do ? [/quote] Sumo Deads are a great thigh exercise. I pretty much have to pull sumo myself, I’m just not built for conventional pulling from the floor. [quote]
For the 4 sets this week, i did the 1st two Sumo style and the last 2 Normal Deadlift Style.
I was suggested maybe Rack Pulls but they may not be a thigh exercise. [/quote] Unless you do drag-rack-pulls and start with the bar low enough (compared to your arm length) to actually hit the hams with the exercise, then no… Rack pulls are usually a backthickness exercise. [quote]
Other good news though Leg Press is bloody nice for an ego boost LOL it goes up to 200.25kg so see if i cant max it out in another 16 weeks, MORE challenges
Also i have put on 7lbs since 10 days ago my legs look really good i can see different parts of my quads lol they aren’t 1 big leg anymore!
Also got my 1st stretch mark on my back must be from Dumbell Rows, all in all GOOD DEAL for me save this deadlift question
Hope all is well with you !
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Sure, have fun with the program.
[quote]phrangan wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
phrangan wrote:
Cephalic Carnage
Currently recovering from a shoulder strain What caused it? . Should be ok to train next week.
In the past few months i have been following the bodybuilding template faithfully however things are starting to get stale.
Hope you could help me outline a pure bodybuiling program =)
Your assistance is greatly appreciated & anticipated
A pure bodybuilding routine… How many days a week do you want to train?
Minor strain doing incline smith BP last Fri.
4-5 days
Thanks C_C[/quote]
Well, other than big beyond belief (only do that one if you’re sure you got your exercise technique and setup right and can eat a ton and take a lot of punishment, joint/tendon-wise…), you could do the good old yates 3-way for as many days per week as you want… Gives you higher frequency than most routines, but doesn’t bother the joints much. Way less volume than BBB.
Of course a regular 4-way or 5-way would also be an option.
The yates 3-way is found in the “pyramid or not” (or so) -thread.
Finally, here’s a 4-way into which you could incorporate Wendler 5/3/1 (use the loading parameter table where wave one is 65%, 75%, 85%, don’t forget to take 10 percent off your max, and always go for extra reps on the last set except on the deload weeks. When deloading, don’t go to failure on your assistance work or even use a little less weight or so)
Day 1 - Chest/Back
-Low-Incline Bench 5/3/1
-Flat DB presses or HS machine presses ramped up over 3 sets or so. 6-12 on top-set, or 8-15, whatever you want (7-9?).
-Bent-Over Rows 5/3/1 (could do rack pulls or deadlifts here, but you’ll then pretty much be limited to machine work on leg day if you don’t want too much low-back overlap) If you do rows here, you pretty much don’t really row with your biceps or anything. You sort of shrug the shoulders backwards and retract your scapulae, as if you wanted to get into PL bench position. That should bring the bar pretty much against your abs already, unless you have very long arms. It’s important not to turn this into just a bicep+lat exercise, but actually hit your backthickness musculature.
-Rack Chins/Pulldowns/Pullups/HS lat work… 3-4 sets, ramped, 8-15 reps on top set
Day 2 - off
Day 3 - Legs
-Back Squats 5/3/1 (or front-squats or whatever)
(could do a leg-press widowmaker here, no warm-ups necessary, normally)
-Parillo Stiff-legged Deadlifts or reverse hypers or glute-ham-raises or lying leg curls… 3-4 sets, might want to go a little higher in the reps, 8-15 where you can… Obviously difficult with glute-hams.
-Calf work 3-4 sets, ramped… Either DC calf-protocol or a regular set.
Day 4 - Delts(+Traps if needed)
-Overhead Press variant (Smith High Incline Shoulder Presses or HS or whatever) 5/3/1
-Lateral Raise Machine 3-4 sets, ramped, 8-15
-Reverse Pec Deck 3-4 sets ramped, 8-15
-Shrug Variant (if you want), 3-4 sets ramped, 8-15.
Day 5 - Arms
-Tricep Press variant (In-Human Smith, Wide-RGB Smith with DC grip, Elbows tucked CGP PL setup, HS Dip Machine, Close-grip Board Presses elbows tucked…) 4 sets ramped, 6-12 or 8-15, your call. Alternatively you could even use 5/3/1 here, too.
-Extension and/or pullover variant (PJR pullover/extensions, Lying EZ extensions from a dead stop behind the head… Lie either on the floor and don’t use bigger plates than the 22.5’s or whatever you guys have, or lie on a bench and let the bar rest on the bench behind your head. Keep upper arms at an incline…, Rolling DB Extensions, Face-Away/Scott Extensions) 3-4 sets ramped, 8-15
-Alt. DB Curls, EZ Curls, whatever. 3-4 sets ramped, 6-12 (or 5/3/1 if it’s a bar-curl and you want to try that out
-Pinwheel Curls or Alt. Hammers or whatever, 3-4 sets ramped, 8-15
(you can do some machine curls + pushdowns here if you want)
-off
-off
Ok, this is a fairly basic BB routine, 5/3/1 imo doesn’t work too well with higher frequencies, but it should be ok to use with this one. Waves are 1 week, then.
You don’t have to use that routine though, it’s just an example of how to incorporate 5/3/1… The yates one or BBB work very well, too.
CC did you ever make that thread explaining the pyramid method with Px? You write it out so much I think it would just be easier for you to link that thread lol
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Cephalic Carnage
The yates 3-way is found in the “pyramid or not” (or so) -thread.
[/quote]
Cephalic_Carnage can you provide the link for the yates 3-way i can’t seem to find it using the search function. Or is it the basic template provided in Yates books “A Warrior’s Story” ?
You know, If you want to try out ramping, then I’d really just do a regular bb split. Those two things kind of go together.
If you don’t want to split stuff up so much, consider this:
(also, I would stay away from rest-pause for now. Do regular sets for a month, then add in RP… Imo rest-pause works better with an exercise rotation, and is dangerous to do on lifts which involve the low-back etc.
If you have questions about RP and how to incorporate it, consider visiting the DC threads on here)
3-way, yates-inspired
Day 1 - Chest, Biceps, Triceps (yes, in that order to give tris a rest after chest)
Day 2 - Legs
Day 3 - Off
Day 4 - Delts, Back (in that order)
Day 5 - off
Day 6 - either restart the cycle or another off-day… You can do this routine over 3 days a week or repeat it after every 5th day… Your call.
(warmups in this case I’d do something like 8, 5-6, 3-4, work-set or so.
(for each “-”, pick one exercise that fits the category)
Chest
-Low incline exercise (bb, db, machine), ramp up over 4 sets with relatively even weight jumps. I’d use 6-10 or so as your rep-range. (move up in weight in small increments once you can do 8, 9 or 10 reps… Make sure you “own” the weight before moving up)
-flat or decline exercise (bb, db, machine) ramp over 3-4 sets. 6-10 on final set.
Bis
-alt. db curls, EZ curls, low cable-curls… Whatever. 3-4 sets (could go 8 reps, 4-6 reps, work set), ramped, 6-10.
-incline offset grip curls, preachers, machine curls… 2-3 sets ramped
6-10 or 8-12 on the last set.
Tris
-CGP (elbows tucked, grip as wide as necessary so that you can stay fully tucked…), In-Human Press, S-wide-RGB (DC grip), HS dips…
3-4 sets ramped, 6-10 on the last.
-PJR’s, Larry Scott Extensions, Rolling DB extensions on the floor, Lying EZ extensions (bar comes down behind head), … 3 sets or 4 sets ramped.
Legs
-Squats, Front squats, Leg Press, Hack Machine squats, Power squats, whatever. 4-5 sets ramped, 4-6 reps on top set (could do two sets here), then rest, reduce the weight some and do a 20 rep widowmaker… (which basically means that after 8-10 reps or so you hold the weight and catch your breath, then grind out a few more reps, repeat until you get 16-20 or so… If you do front-squats as your main exercise, do the widowmaker on the leg-press or hack machine. No warm-ups needed, though you could do one)
-Ham exercise (can be done before quads in case that the widowmaker just leaves you dead on the floor) like rev hypers, lying leg curls, sumo leg presses, SLDL’s… 3-4 sets, 6-10 on the last
-Calves (do the DC protocol for these if you think you can stomach it
-pulldown abs or whatever
delts
-Overhead press of any kind (DB, BB, smith high inclines ala Rühl would probably be a good idea, we’ve talked about them a lot in the forums recently) 4 sets, ramped up, 6-10
-Laterals, better machine laterals if you have a good lateral machine… 2-3 sets ramped… 8-15 or 6-10
-Backwidth (or thickness first, depending on which is weaker in your case): Pulldowns (don’t cheat too much), Rack Chins (if you know how to do them right), pullups (weighted), that kind of thing. 4 sets ramped, 6-12 or so. (I would suggest rack chins or pulldowns or HS machines over pullups here, seriously)… And keep your biceps out of the movement.
-Backthickness
Yates Rows, Rack Pulls (only if you didn’t do free-weight back squats and/or sldl’s on leg day. This split shouldn’t have low-back involvement on two days, if you want to do both deads or rack deads and back squats/sldls, rotate them each week/cycle!), Kroc Rows (if you can get the technique down), HS row machines… You get the idea.
Rack pulls are done with a back-shrug at the top, i.e. you pull your delts back, chest out and tense your upper back…
4-5 sets (less for rows, more for heavy pulls), 6-10 or 8-12 at the end if it’s a row (kroc rows are 12-25, and done sort of like a widowmaker squat with the pauses etc)… And one heavy 6-8 followed by one lighter 8-12 (or the other way around) if it’s a rack dead/deadlift.
-rear delts: pinch-grip rows (Grab the plates with their lips pointing out, instead of the bar. 10-15 or so as a rep range then, go light at first! that’s obviously not a regular bo row, weight-wise…), face pulls, rev. pec deck… 2-3 sets, ramped, 8-12
Ok, still with me?
2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and no arguing.
You’ll stay weak forever if you don’t eat.
So.
I’d really suggest that you try such a format out (or a regular 4-way or even 5-way).
[quote]haas wrote:
You know, If you want to try out ramping, then I’d really just do a regular bb split. Those two things kind of go together.
If you don’t want to split stuff up so much, consider this:
(also, I would stay away from rest-pause for now. Do regular sets for a month, then add in RP… Imo rest-pause works better with an exercise rotation, and is dangerous to do on lifts which involve the low-back etc.
If you have questions about RP and how to incorporate it, consider visiting the DC threads on here)
3-way, yates-inspired
Day 1 - Chest, Biceps, Triceps (yes, in that order to give tris a rest after chest)
Day 2 - Legs
Day 3 - Off
Day 4 - Delts, Back (in that order)
Day 5 - off
Day 6 - either restart the cycle or another off-day… You can do this routine over 3 days a week or repeat it after every 5th day… Your call.
(warmups in this case I’d do something like 8, 5-6, 3-4, work-set or so.
(for each “-”, pick one exercise that fits the category)
Chest
-Low incline exercise (bb, db, machine), ramp up over 4 sets with relatively even weight jumps. I’d use 6-10 or so as your rep-range. (move up in weight in small increments once you can do 8, 9 or 10 reps… Make sure you “own” the weight before moving up)
-flat or decline exercise (bb, db, machine) ramp over 3-4 sets. 6-10 on final set.
Bis
-alt. db curls, EZ curls, low cable-curls… Whatever. 3-4 sets (could go 8 reps, 4-6 reps, work set), ramped, 6-10.
-incline offset grip curls, preachers, machine curls… 2-3 sets ramped
6-10 or 8-12 on the last set.
Tris
-CGP (elbows tucked, grip as wide as necessary so that you can stay fully tucked…), In-Human Press, S-wide-RGB (DC grip), HS dips…
3-4 sets ramped, 6-10 on the last.
-PJR’s, Larry Scott Extensions, Rolling DB extensions on the floor, Lying EZ extensions (bar comes down behind head), … 3 sets or 4 sets ramped.
Legs
-Squats, Front squats, Leg Press, Hack Machine squats, Power squats, whatever. 4-5 sets ramped, 4-6 reps on top set (could do two sets here), then rest, reduce the weight some and do a 20 rep widowmaker… (which basically means that after 8-10 reps or so you hold the weight and catch your breath, then grind out a few more reps, repeat until you get 16-20 or so… If you do front-squats as your main exercise, do the widowmaker on the leg-press or hack machine. No warm-ups needed, though you could do one)
-Ham exercise (can be done before quads in case that the widowmaker just leaves you dead on the floor) like rev hypers, lying leg curls, sumo leg presses, SLDL’s… 3-4 sets, 6-10 on the last
-Calves (do the DC protocol for these if you think you can stomach it
-pulldown abs or whatever
delts
-Overhead press of any kind (DB, BB, smith high inclines ala RÃ?¼hl would probably be a good idea, we’ve talked about them a lot in the forums recently) 4 sets, ramped up, 6-10
-Laterals, better machine laterals if you have a good lateral machine… 2-3 sets ramped… 8-15 or 6-10
-Backwidth (or thickness first, depending on which is weaker in your case): Pulldowns (don’t cheat too much), Rack Chins (if you know how to do them right), pullups (weighted), that kind of thing. 4 sets ramped, 6-12 or so. (I would suggest rack chins or pulldowns or HS machines over pullups here, seriously)… And keep your biceps out of the movement.
-Backthickness
Yates Rows, Rack Pulls (only if you didn’t do free-weight back squats and/or sldl’s on leg day. This split shouldn’t have low-back involvement on two days, if you want to do both deads or rack deads and back squats/sldls, rotate them each week/cycle!), Kroc Rows (if you can get the technique down), HS row machines… You get the idea.
Rack pulls are done with a back-shrug at the top, i.e. you pull your delts back, chest out and tense your upper back…
4-5 sets (less for rows, more for heavy pulls), 6-10 or 8-12 at the end if it’s a row (kroc rows are 12-25, and done sort of like a widowmaker squat with the pauses etc)… And one heavy 6-8 followed by one lighter 8-12 (or the other way around) if it’s a rack dead/deadlift.
-rear delts: pinch-grip rows (Grab the plates with their lips pointing out, instead of the bar. 10-15 or so as a rep range then, go light at first! that’s obviously not a regular bo row, weight-wise…), face pulls, rev. pec deck… 2-3 sets, ramped, 8-12
Ok, still with me?
2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and no arguing.
You’ll stay weak forever if you don’t eat.
So.
I’d really suggest that you try such a format out (or a regular 4-way or even 5-way).[/quote]
Yep, there’s my old post. Thanks for finding it!
I guess I’ll still have to do some t-cell article/thread about this shit sometime… But I’m a really lazy person… Soooo…