ok i have read alot about this classic “bread n butter” stack test/deca/dbol however the classic stack called for long acting test and deca. if i switched it to all fast acting drugs test prop/nandrolone phenylprop/and dbol would this hurt my gains? i just like the idea of fast acting because side effects are some what easier to control. not looking to gain 20-30 lbs but a solid 5-10 would be great
If you only gain 5-10 lbs on deca/test/dbol - you should find another hobby.
If you only want 5-10lbs… 300mg of Prop over 6 weeks would be fine.
but wouldn’t 5-10 lbs be attainable naturally??
5-10 pounds of solid muscle (not water)my friend is very hard to aquire if you are already at an advanced stage with your physique.
i just ran prop 400mg/week with eq600mg/week for 12 weeks this only lowered my bodyfat no weight gain i am a true hard gainer my bodyfat is at like 6% and thats not even on a diet
[quote]wwweiss87 wrote:
5-10 pounds of solid muscle (not water)my friend is very hard to aquire if you are already at an advanced stage with your physique.
i just ran prop 400mg/week with eq600mg/week for 12 weeks this only lowered my bodyfat no weight gain i am a true hard gainer my bodyfat is at like 6% and thats not even on a diet[/quote]
So what you are saying is that you didn’t eat enough. Or that you are so advanced that a gram per week will no longer have a postive effect on muscle growth, regardless of how much you eat.
Give us some stats
Your profile says that you are 5’7 178 at 9%. How recent are those numbers? You’re about 8 pounds heavier than I am at the same height… theres no way putting on 10 more pounds naturally should be that much of a struggle, let alone with using a gram of gear. Something must be off there. I’ve been gaining a few pounds a month naturally and I have a few cycles worth of experience.
EDIT: Looks like you haven’t really learned much since you made that “Beginner Gear” post about 10 months ago. You have to realize that if you keep doing cycles and are not making progress than the problem does not lie with the type of compounds you are using.
You must have done quite a few cycles in order for 1g/wk of anabolics for 12 weeks to give you no muscle. That sounds quite exaggerated.
I’d check the diet, my friend.
bmc
[quote]BMC85 wrote:
You must have done quite a few cycles in order for 1g/wk of anabolics for 12 weeks to give you no muscle. That sounds quite exaggerated.
I’d check the diet, my friend.
bmc
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I’d say the same thing. But I would even change the 1000mg to 250mg… if you can’t seem to change your physique on 250mgs EW then it’s your diet and maybe just maybe, but probably not, your training.
or haha bunk gear.
bunk.
even with a crap diet there would be water gain.
people gain from AAS on crap diets all the time - most of the ‘hardmen’ you see in the gym with good arms and crap legs who use gear all go and party on the weekend and eat shite… it just isnt the best way to do it, which is why anyone worth their salt knows it isnt about drugs, it is about bodybuilding… the training, discipline, foods, lifestyle etc.
JJ
[quote]wwweiss87 wrote:
5-10 pounds of solid muscle (not water)my friend is very hard to aquire if you are already at an advanced stage with your physique.
i just ran prop 400mg/week with eq600mg/week for 12 weeks this only lowered my bodyfat no weight gain i am a true hard gainer my bodyfat is at like 6% and thats not even on a diet[/quote]
Either you ate a very small amount or you need medical attention. Or you ran a cutting diet while on that cycle which doesn’t make much sense since you seem surprised at your lack of success.
And you said that 5-10lbs is very hard to acquire at an advanced stage. I just never think of hardgainers as reaching an advanced stage. Curious but what do you consider an advanced stage for a physique? I have put 80lbs on in the last 5 years naturally and I would say my physique is mediocre at best.
400mg of prop and 600mg or EQ and no weight gain = yeah something is very wrong
i eat every two hours however i eat very clean i.e tuna,chicken,yams,potatoes,oats,wheats,some beef,rice.see when i start eating alot more calories i see fat before i see muscle and thats often detours me. and i never said that a gram/week didnt have a positive effect i more than likely replaced fat with muscle thats y the numbers on the scale were the same but i was definitely harder and more dense.
what i ment by advanced physique is i have put on about 50 lbs of muscle since i began training 2 years ago(i wasnt trying to make myself sound like a pro or anything but im no average joe either)and ahve had to work hard for every pound. Bonez i look similar to u judging from ur pic u say ur my height i may be a lil thicker though
yall let me put some pics up
w87 are you getting enough fat in your diet?
How often you are eating is not necessarily as important as how much you eat, if weight gain is your priority. If you are actually at 6% or even 9% and feel that you gain fat to easily than you aren’t getting an accurate bodyfat reading. If you are at either of those numbers than you are either in contest shape (6%) or very lean compared to the general pop (9%). In either case it’s hard to believe that you are able to stay that lean and still have a problem with easy fat gain, especially with the positive effects steroids have on nutrient partitioning.
Throw up a few pics
no i dont have a problem with fat i am training to compete adn there is no reason to put on fat just to put on muscle thats how they did shit in the dark ages. i stay lean thats the idea to look good on stage. im at work now later this afternoon i will do the pics from home
[quote]wwweiss87 wrote:
no i dont have a problem with fat i am training to compete adn there is no reason to put on fat just to put on muscle thats how they did shit in the dark ages. i stay lean thats the idea to look good on stage. im at work now later this afternoon i will do the pics from home[/quote]
I’m not trying to be confrontational at all so I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I’m just trying to offer a different perspective.
You say there is no reason to put on fat in order to gain muscle. Many people will disagree with that statement. Is there a line to draw where fat gain outweighs muscle gain, absolutely. It is pretty well accepted that competing bodybuilders do not stay in contest shape all year round. Acceptable amounts of fat gain ensure a caloric surplus; an essential aspect of muscle building. You claim that adding fat while building muscle is a practice of “the dark ages” but you also claim that YOUR approach to muscle building is not working to your standards. Something has to give.
HMMMM ROADEE IF YOUR TRYING TO PUT ON WEUGHT AND YOU ARE A HARD GAINER.
yOU SHOULD RELISH ALITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT AGAINST THE MID SECTION.
aNY WAY STAYING HEAVY WILL HELP YOU PUSH HEAVIER WEIGHT FOR YOU GUESSED IT MORE SHINY NEW MUSCLE.
And i’m five foot seven 246 and a gram a week would still blow my ass threw the roof iys either fake.
Or your eating fake tuna and chicken where do you shop china store.
ahhhh cat and tree squirrel thats why try kroger!!!
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
HMMMM ROADEE IF YOUR TRYING TO PUT ON WEUGHT AND YOU ARE A HARD GAINER.
yOU SHOULD RELISH ALITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT AGAINST THE MID SECTION.
aNY WAY STAYING HEAVY WILL HELP YOU PUSH HEAVIER WEIGHT FOR YOU GUESSED IT MORE SHINY NEW MUSCLE.
And i’m five foot seven 246 and a gram a week would still blow my ass threw the roof iys either fake.
Or your eating fake tuna and chicken where do you shop china store.
ahhhh cat and tree squirrel thats why try kroger!!![/quote]
I don’t get how you haven’t been flamed off of this board.
Are you drunk again?
[quote]wwweiss87 wrote:
no i dont have a problem with fat i am training to compete adn there is no reason to put on fat just to put on muscle thats how they did shit in the dark ages. i stay lean thats the idea to look good on stage. im at work now later this afternoon i will do the pics from home[/quote]
Sure. I was more reffering to essential fatty acids, your omega 3,6, and 9’s in your diet than a spare tire hanging from your waste. Your gains will be compromised without enough proper fat. You can be as lean as you want to be but the leaner you are the more and more you truly need essential fats in your diet. That’s what I was inquiring about