Third Bulking Cycle, Need Advice

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Hi guys,
**Hope you’re all doing good. **
I’m looking for some advice to start my 3rd cycle. I’m on a cut since past 21 weeks, and will be ending the cut next week. Will up my calorie intake till maintenance, and stay there for few more weeks.

My Stats:
Age:29
Training since:3-4 years,
Height:161cms
Weight:152lbs
Body Fat: 6-8%

I have done two cycles before,
First cycle was Test E-500mg/Week for 12 weeks, followed by PCT (Nolva 50/50/40/40)

Second cycle was Test E-500mg/week,
Deca-500mg/week for 12 weeks. Followed by same aforementioned PCT protocol, with Nolva at 50/50/40/40.
During my second cycle, I decided to go full bear mode, I ate hell lot, but made sure I got my calories from whole foods, and not junk/highly processed sodium foods. I gained good amount of muscle, but also did put a significant amount of fat. Hence, it took me almost 22 weeks, to cut down.

Coming to the topic.
I’m planning my 3rd cycle in the month of May. But I need to have a rock-solid plan before I proceed, hence I’m here for advice.
As I have used Deca before, with no sides, this is what I plan for, please correct me if I am wrong in the below cycle, this is just what I have in my mind, if you can suggest me anything better, you’re more than welcome, my goal is to get bigger, but this time I am aiming for a lean bulk, will be tracking calories to the T and aiming no more than 0.6-1% of gain in total body weight per month or so.

Cycle that I have in mind:
Test E-500mg/week
Deca-500mg/week
Anadrol-50mg starting from week 1 to week 5.

I will also have AI in handy just in case of prolactin issues.

I also have some questions regarding this cycle,
How long can I run Test & Deca? I got good results during my second cycle, but will it be okay to take it a step further? Say 18-20 weeks? Or just stay at 12-14 week range? I also thought of adding EQ in this cycle along with Deca & Test. But then I just do not have enough knowledge for the same. What would you recommend? As EQ is slow acting compared to Deca, it can be run for longer duration. But Deca is very versatile for me and I haven’t faced any issues with it the last time I ran it.
Can I add any other AAS into this cycle? Or just stick to Test, Deca and Anadrol?

I’d also like to know if you’d suggest me something else, based on my cycle history, your inputs are welcome.

Thank you. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Just so you know if you didn’t, 5-6 percent is very low, like a few weeks for the pros to step on stage. Most are not at this body fat who claim it. I wouldn’t add eq unless you are blast and cruise. It just takes so long to clear. I would say the same for deca though.

At your size, are you sure you need this much? Maybe you do, but I doubt it.

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AI for e2 issues (raised PRL being adjacent to that). P5P or Caber for prolactin issues

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I get that, I said 6-8~ I’m sub 10% for sure. My hamstrings are shredded as ever. I haven’t done DEXA or any scan, just a guestimate.

What else would you suggest?

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Noted.
Any comments on the cycle?

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Sorry, mis read that. If you are correct in body fat, then you are actually developed.

With your goal weight gain per month, I think anadrol is out. I’m going to guess it’s going to be hard with test and deca combo as well. Maybe you aren’t a water gainer? I’m not at least with test in high dosages.

What sides do you get on cycle? You may be able to design a drier cycle if your not prone to hair loss. You may not gain as much weight, but you won’t lose as much after either.

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No, looks very straight forward, you’ve done the compounds before, and want to get bigger. All good reasons

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Great, thank you.

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I didn’t face any sides from Test+Deca. Water retention was okay, cz of the sodium intake it might be a bit high. But rest everything was fine.

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Nothing wrong with sticking with what works.

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Sounds sensible, also, can I run this cycle for a longer duration with Test and Deca at 500mg each/week? Say for 18-20 weeks? Should I be worried about any sides in the long run? Or do you advice just to keep it for 12-14 weeks, and stop?

@swoops39 @iron_yuppie @Singhbuilder I need your advices on the topic too. If you guys can please shed some light or suggest something, your inputs are welcome. I want to be sure before running orals, hence doing all my research.

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I would skip the anadrol entirely. If the test/deca combo gives you no sides and solid mass gains then just keep doing that. Introducing a new variable, especially at the beginning, can go really well or really, really badly, depending. What if you get anadrol’s famous mystery gyno three weeks in? Do you scrap the whole cycle? What if the anadrol spikes your BP and it takes a week to get back to normal? That’s 1/20 weeks wasted. That’s 5% of your cycle. Anadrol is also notoriously bad for your appetite and I assume you’re going to be trying to bulk pretty seriously here. Killing your appetite would be counterproductive. If you felt you needed an oral then either dbol or anavar would be my choice.

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No wonder you’re the OG @iron_yuppie :100:
I never thought of this at all, and thank you for pointing out this to me. Yes, I am pretty serious about my goals, because the previous 20-22 weeks of cutting has taught me that setting clear goals and sticking to them always gives results. Like Arnold says, “It’s all about the vision.”

To be honest, I just wanted to try an oral because I am gradually exploring new compounds, but like you said, if the exploration is counterproductive, then it doesn’t make any sense. Just one more question tho. Is it okay to run this for 20 weeks? Should I stop Deca at week 16 or 18 and continue taking Test at 500mg range/week till week-20. Wait for 4 weeks and then do PCT? (because of the long ester in Deca? Please correct me if I’m wrong here.)

Also for PCT I’m planning just Nolva alone at 50/50/40/40.
Do I need to add HCG? If yes, what are the dosages?

Thank you for replying :raised_hands:

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I would run the test longer than the deca myself (if I were to run deca). It needs a lot longer to clear. Personally, I would run npp because it clears faster (same base hormone as deca with a short ester). With deca, I would do 4 extra weeks on the test after cessation of deca.

Personally, I would add HCG after stopping test and before your serm PCT. I would run it at 300-500 iu eod. I blast and cruise, so I just use hcg during cruise, in cycles of like 3 weeks.

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Okay, makes sense. The thing is I have 5 vials of Deca left with me from previous cycle. Expire is in the year 2022, and the Deca that I got is genuine. So I planned on keeping the third cycle based on Deca too.

So if I plan to run the cycle for total of 24 weeks. I should stop Deca at week 19-20. Keep the test dosages for week 21-24 at 500mg? With HCG at 500iu EOD till the end of the cycle? Wait for 4-5 weeks for the test to clear out and then start Nolva. Does that sound right?

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You do fine with deca, so no worries in regards to npp.

What you are proposing is awfully long for a pct (more suitable for those not needing to recover (blast and cruise)). If I were going to PCT, I would stop the deca at week 12-14, then run the test 4 more weeks, stop the test, run the hcg for 3-4 weeks, stop, and take nolva for 4 weeks.

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Noted. Thank you for your replies. I really needed some insights.

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Hey @iron_yuppie @mnben87 I’ve started this cycle, Test E at 500mg/week, and Deca at 500mg/week with 30mg of Dbol pre-workout. Would keep Dbol at 30mg only. Won’t gonna bump it up anymore. Some say go till 50, but the water retention would be too high. I’m planning to keep 30mg dbol for 5 weeks, and then stop the same.

I needed advice regarding the diet.
Today will complete my 3 weeks. I have gained 11lbs since week 1. Tho most of it is water retention from Dbol, I just wanted your 2 cents on how to dial the diet further. My current macro split is

P:190
C:250
F:60-65

I’ve kept dextrose as an intra-workout shake as well. Which includes in the 250gms of carbs. Should I follow the same macro split till I stop seeing weight going up? And if ever that happens, where should I increase my calories from? I’d wait a solid 15 days to observe if the scale is moving or not. And then increase the macros accordingly.

My question is, if ever I want to bump calories by 100-150cals, where should I increase them from? Carbs or protein? Or both? I understand that it’s all about calories in vs calories out, but I want maximum output from my cycle. Hence want to make sure I do things right.

TIA

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Are you taking in a total of 250g or 500g carbs per day?

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Honestly it’s probably splitting hairs. In theory you would need more protein than a natty as you will be putting on muscle a bit faster. But I think 190g/day is more than enough to cover your bases.

Total calories is going to matter far more than your macro split as long as you’re hitting the basic requirements:

0.8-1.2g protein per pound body weight per day. Research suggests eating closer to that 1.2g mark while cutting will lead you to feel fuller and fend off muscle loss. However, you are not cutting so I think that is overkill.

40+ grams of fat per day for a 200lb guy. This amount is for basic health reasons and hormone optimization. You could add more if it’s helping you feel better during the day, but it’s not going do much for your physique. Since you are injecting hormones, you could probably stay on the lower end.

At this point, it is advisable to put the rest of the calories in carbs as they will fuel your glycogen stores and give you more power in the gym.

In short, if increasing calories, I would add them to carbs.

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