Bent Over Row Strength

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
You need to focus on working your back more, it’s a good thing you realized this on your own to some degree. Bent over row strength should be significantly higher than benching strength, so keep working at them, and there’s nothing wrong with some body english as long as you aren’t rounding your spine like a hunchback. [/quote]

By significantly higher, what percentage should it be higher, somewhere around 20%?

In the off-season I got my bench up to 2755 – I got 2753 on BOR with straps and a substantial amount of body english. [/quote]

Well as you can see in the above videos, I just recently did 405x10 “normal” bb rows, and my best bench is 345 lbs. Granted, I had a minor injury that held back my bench for a while, but that’s still a big difference. Having said that, my back is proportionately stronger than my chest, and I realize this. From a powerlifting point of view, it makes sense. I believe it’s safe to say that when it comes to repping out a bench weight (say, 6-12RM), your BOR strength should be QUITE a bit stronger. Hell, even with almost perfect form, I can rep out 315 on rows pretty easy. [/quote]

Okay, I’m not so sure they should be equal, I know I’m not. My BB bench is way higher than my BB row 405 bench vs. 350(ish) row 1RM.

However, DB rows (what I’ve typically trained more for back) I’m much stronger than my DB bench.

Yeah, I’ve watched your rowing videos, and you kill me at those.

Maybe I’m just weird.
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No offense bro, but either you’re just REALLY good at benching naturally, or you have a pretty bad imbalance I would guess. Having guessed that…what kind of reps would you get for bench/rows at say, 275 or 315 lbs?[/quote]

i find that rowing power really comes into play when controlling a bench down to the chest, pausing it and then powering up. if one only does touch and go, having an equally strong row isn’t that important. but if one wants to be able to be strong at a competition bench they will NEED to do really heavy bent over rows where the body supports all of the weight.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
You need to focus on working your back more, it’s a good thing you realized this on your own to some degree. Bent over row strength should be significantly higher than benching strength, so keep working at them, and there’s nothing wrong with some body english as long as you aren’t rounding your spine like a hunchback. [/quote]

By significantly higher, what percentage should it be higher, somewhere around 20%?

In the off-season I got my bench up to 2755 – I got 2753 on BOR with straps and a substantial amount of body english. [/quote]

Well as you can see in the above videos, I just recently did 405x10 “normal” bb rows, and my best bench is 345 lbs. Granted, I had a minor injury that held back my bench for a while, but that’s still a big difference. Having said that, my back is proportionately stronger than my chest, and I realize this. From a powerlifting point of view, it makes sense. I believe it’s safe to say that when it comes to repping out a bench weight (say, 6-12RM), your BOR strength should be QUITE a bit stronger. Hell, even with almost perfect form, I can rep out 315 on rows pretty easy. [/quote]

Okay, I’m not so sure they should be equal, I know I’m not. My BB bench is way higher than my BB row 405 bench vs. 350(ish) row 1RM.

However, DB rows (what I’ve typically trained more for back) I’m much stronger than my DB bench.

Yeah, I’ve watched your rowing videos, and you kill me at those.

Maybe I’m just weird.
[/quote]

No offense bro, but either you’re just REALLY good at benching naturally, or you have a pretty bad imbalance I would guess. Having guessed that…what kind of reps would you get for bench/rows at say, 275 or 315 lbs?[/quote]

i find that rowing power really comes into play when controlling a bench down to the chest, pausing it and then powering up. if one only does touch and go, having an equally strong row isn’t that important. but if one wants to be able to be strong at a competition bench they will NEED to do really heavy bent over rows where the body supports all of the weight.
[/quote]

Speaking of which, Since doing more equal amounts devil rows and normal bb rows, I’ve definitely been noticing my paused benching feels more stable and explosive off the chest. Hopefully it’ll show on Sunday.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
You need to focus on working your back more, it’s a good thing you realized this on your own to some degree. Bent over row strength should be significantly higher than benching strength, so keep working at them, and there’s nothing wrong with some body english as long as you aren’t rounding your spine like a hunchback. [/quote]

By significantly higher, what percentage should it be higher, somewhere around 20%?

In the off-season I got my bench up to 2755 – I got 2753 on BOR with straps and a substantial amount of body english. [/quote]

Well as you can see in the above videos, I just recently did 405x10 “normal” bb rows, and my best bench is 345 lbs. Granted, I had a minor injury that held back my bench for a while, but that’s still a big difference. Having said that, my back is proportionately stronger than my chest, and I realize this. From a powerlifting point of view, it makes sense. I believe it’s safe to say that when it comes to repping out a bench weight (say, 6-12RM), your BOR strength should be QUITE a bit stronger. Hell, even with almost perfect form, I can rep out 315 on rows pretty easy. [/quote]

Okay, I’m not so sure they should be equal, I know I’m not. My BB bench is way higher than my BB row 405 bench vs. 350(ish) row 1RM.

However, DB rows (what I’ve typically trained more for back) I’m much stronger than my DB bench.

Yeah, I’ve watched your rowing videos, and you kill me at those.

Maybe I’m just weird.
[/quote]

No offense bro, but either you’re just REALLY good at benching naturally, or you have a pretty bad imbalance I would guess. Having guessed that…what kind of reps would you get for bench/rows at say, 275 or 315 lbs?[/quote]

i find that rowing power really comes into play when controlling a bench down to the chest, pausing it and then powering up. if one only does touch and go, having an equally strong row isn’t that important. but if one wants to be able to be strong at a competition bench they will NEED to do really heavy bent over rows where the body supports all of the weight.
[/quote]

Speaking of which, Since doing more equal amounts devil rows and normal bb rows, I’ve definitely been noticing my paused benching feels more stable and explosive off the chest. Hopefully it’ll show on Sunday. [/quote]

I’m pretty strong off my chest. I don’t really think I have that weak of a back. For me, my biggest problem is probably that I have a negative coefficient for explosiveness. I get almost nothing out of leg drive on lifts. for example, I can strict military press almost as much as I can push press.

And like I said, I can DB row pretty well.

For repping at 315 (I haven’t come close to maxing out on reps @ 275 in a long time) Bench I just recently got 11 reps after some heavy rev band work, so I’m probably in the 12-14 rep range. Rowing at 315 I would estimate I could get 7-8 reps.

Maybe I should get some videos.