BB Row Form

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]mojo_ wrote:

more shit proving he is a numbnuts [/quote]

:facepalm:

Enjoy being small dude.

Arguing with you is pointless. You will never get it. I’m going to go make some progress, you do what-ever-the-fuck-you-want.[/quote]

99% of the people reading this thread and not posting are laughing at the stupidity of your posts. It’s YOU that just doesnt get it.

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Yeah, I’m sure buddy. There are just thousands of people reading this in agreement with you.

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part of the row that no one is focusing on it the eccentric. on the way down, with those big ass weights, the back has to hold the load. and Thibs, and many other authors (and russian researchers) have ocncluded that a lot of hypertrophy is developed on the eccentric. really the concentric is just to get the weight up there, and then the eccentric WHICH IS CONTROLLED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE is where the growth is.

and unfortunately, everyone started as an embryo, and then an infant. so it is how big you are, cause anyone bigger has made more progress than you

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[quote]stefanogym wrote:

sir , you need to grow spiritually :slight_smile:
everybody at this world can express his own opinion and this should not affect what other think or do
we are what we think , so it is very important to keep our mind free from other people influence, or life shows up to be different to what we really want :slight_smile:
there is nothing to defend. Universe is infinite and so our possibility. We do not have to protect anything because there is no limit to what we can achieve from a position of awareness and connection to all that is :))))))))))))))))))[/quote]

WTF?

Focussing on TVA does nothing. Science FTW over your philosophy.

And yes, you did still ignore the point about shortening the effective lever arm of the abdominals by doing your “gentle drawing in” rendering the potential for this contraction absolete.

Did you know that it is actually next to IMPOSSIBLE to specifically isolate and contract TVA, since at several anatomical levels the muscle fibers are blended into the internal obliques above? No clear fascial separation - can’t isolate it.

Hold on…I’m freeing myself from any restraint…fuck off!!

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:

Its not about how big you are now, its about how far you have progressed since you begun.

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What a crock of shit. This isn’t the pat yourself on the back, you’ve come far forum. Its about where you’re at now, how big are you now, and what do you need to work on to get further and do better.

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I’m assuming all the form police have had a go at Austin’s bicep thread too with that video of his curl technique? Clearly that isn’t in any form guide for ‘how to curl’…and obviously he isn’t getting good results…/

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
part of the row that no one is focusing on it the eccentric. on the way down, with those big ass weights, the back has to hold the load. and Thibs, and many other authors (and russian researchers) have ocncluded that a lot of hypertrophy is developed on the eccentric. really the concentric is just to get the weight up there, and then the eccentric WHICH IS CONTROLLED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE is where the growth is.

and unfortunately, everyone started as an embryo, and then an infant. so it is how big you are, cause anyone bigger has made more progress than you[/quote]

Although I have no idea what you’re saying about embryos and shit, I would echo what Kanada is saying here about the eccentric.

There are as many different ways to do bent rows as there are ways to do the back squat. It’s a big, heavy exercise, and you do it the best way you can based on your own body structure, AND what muscles you want to develop with it.

Some guys do bent rows for upper back thickness, so their upper bodies may only be bent at 30 degrees or so, and that is fine. Other people like to use them as a complete back exercise, and you’ll see those guys anywhere from 45 to 90 degrees bent over the bar (based on body structure and comfort), BUT one thing you will always see is the guys with a big back know how to control the negative part of the movement.

It is important to fight the resistance of the bar and lower it deliberately, not just letting it fall or using your lower back to create that distance.

However, it is also important to note that you never see big guys doing the super-duper strict form either (unless they already big and focusing on a specific part of the back now). It is one thing to control the negative, but if nothing at all is moving except your arms and your shoulder blades, and every rep takes like 3 seconds, good luck building a large back. I think this is one reason you never see anyone get big from those “pendlay rows”, and they are similar to floor presses in the sense that they make a good accessory exercise for the powerlifts, but don’t count on them to build a foundation of mass.

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^^^ i was referring to mojo sayin something about relative progress. since he is more muscular now then when he started, he must be a guru. I instead responded by pointing out how everyone started out as nothing, and the biggest people made the most progress

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I do my rows more bent over as well (parallel). I do that with strict form and it erally gets the muscles working, and as I up the weight…I’ll do 3 sets of that strict…up the weight, use a bit of cheat…but it’s still normally BENT OVER lol. I think both ways are good…but I do think that for traps there’s other things…I always used the rows to just balance out pressing movements…if I don’t do enough pulling, my shoulders overtime will bug me (duh), just creating balance is the main thing…and getting the right muscles I want to work.

I mean I do a lot of sets/reps with rows…but doing…135x8, 175x8, 195x8, 220x8 - all strict form - its warmup up and is BENT OVER…then add a bit more and use some body english…works for me.

I’m not sure though about the first couple vids…i know BUG has a good back…but his bent over rows are…well…I just wouldn’t call them bent over rows lol - they are working his upper back more OBVIOUSLY…which is not a bad thing at all.

But it’s not a bent over row…yates row? whatever it is…it’s not a bent over row. although i don’t do that exercise like that, my form is a lot different…I can definately see how the exercise would help with upper back thickness…so in my books it’s good to go still.

I think that sums up the thread nice and friendly lol.

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It would be more appropriate to call that a bent-over shrug, and I’m not trying to be a smart ass. You wouldn’t ‘row’ a boat like that would you?

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Question for the bigger folks. (Read: mojo_ and company need not reply)

What would you say is the main differences, between bent over-rows performed the way Frank McGrath does them compared to the videos shown in this forum such as bug’s yates-style row?

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[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Question for the bigger folks. (Read: mojo_ and company need not reply)

What would you say is the main differences, between bent over-rows performed the way Frank McGrath does them compared to the videos shown in this forum such as bug’s yates-style row? [/quote]

McGrath: Watch from 1.35 onwards (first warm-up, but good camera angle to see how he does them, even with very light weight)

Frank gets into a more bent-over position vs. a yates-ish angle… Yet still uses quite a bit of torso motion there from the hip joint, not just on his top set either but from the first set on.
Both bug in that vid he posted and the OP are not advanced trainees and still have to figure out/perfect their own personal rowing technique etc. But at the end it’s mostly a difference in how well the movement flows and at which angle they’re doing it.

I’m always amazed at how frank’s movements just flow perfectly on most exercises… Check out his animal chest training vids or animal arms (CGP… I made a thread about those before if you need links)… When I bench, I look like I’m about to have a seizure. With Frank, everything looks smooth etc… Weird. Shit, it looks like he’s straining more on the barbell curls than on his 405x12 or 8 or whatever CGP with semi-flared elbows.

Anybody have a vid of Yates doing his supinated-grip BB rows? Couldn’t find any myself, just one where he has a really funny hairstyle and does v-handle cable rows (but there you can see perfectly what he does with his scapulae etc).

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(1.35 onwards)

Forgot to post the link, stupid as I am at times…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Shit, it looks like he’s straining more on the barbell curls than on his 405x12 or 8 or whatever CGP with semi-flared elbows.

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I think it’s because he can see himself in the mirror during barbell curls, most people probably do that. I don’t think I really make any facial expression when I’m benching heavy either.

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[quote]trav123456 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Shit, it looks like he’s straining more on the barbell curls than on his 405x12 or 8 or whatever CGP with semi-flared elbows.

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I think it’s because he can see himself in the mirror during barbell curls, most people probably do that. I don’t think I really make any facial expression when I’m benching heavy either.[/quote]

Watched them again and well, actually he does strain visibly on the incline at the end etc… Still, one of the “smoothest” guys in BBing. He lies so still when pressing etc, total opposite of many others using the same kind of weight.
Shame he tore a tricep…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]trav123456 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Shit, it looks like he’s straining more on the barbell curls than on his 405x12 or 8 or whatever CGP with semi-flared elbows.

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I think it’s because he can see himself in the mirror during barbell curls, most people probably do that. I don’t think I really make any facial expression when I’m benching heavy either.[/quote]

Watched them again and well, actually he does strain visibly on the incline at the end etc… Still, one of the “smoothest” guys in BBing. He lies so still when pressing etc, total opposite of many others using the same kind of weight.
Shame he tore a tricep… [/quote]

Yep, still my hero though. Don’t have too many pros up north.

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[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:

[quote]mojo_ wrote:

Its not about how big you are now, its about how far you have progressed since you begun.

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What a crock of shit. This isn’t the pat yourself on the back, you’ve come far forum. Its about where you’re at now, how big are you now, and what do you need to work on to get further and do better.[/quote]

Not really.

Its NOT allways the biggest guy that will give you the best advice.

Take my step dad for example, here is a gigantic wall of a man, massive back, huge chest, arms that easily measure 19 inches, wide ass shoulders. Want to know his routine? Curling beer cans to his mouth several hundred times a night. He eats maybe once a day. His dad is exactly the same and he just turned 70! You could tell him to go to a gym and do whatever the hell he wants for a month and he would look retarded big. Then he comes onto T-Nation posts his pictures and looks bigger than mostly everbody here. Now Tell me, is that somebody whos going to give the average guy good advice on how to get significantly bigger?

Amazing to think how rediculously big he would be if he trained and ate for just 1 year.

The bigger guy is allways more knowledgeable is the most retarded logic. You could have some guy who went from 120-190 and a guy who went from 190-195 and the way alot of peoples brains work around here they would take the bigger guys advice. Stupid to the point where its actually funny.

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Looks like a set of youtube losers found this site by accident.

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And the Weight Training Pandoras Box, aka the ( like there is one and only one variation and tech ) BB Row has been cracked fucking wide open…

Why are Trainees so dogmatic and fanatical about ‘the’ BB Row. There is almost a religious zeal behind the psychology.

There is not one BB Row.

But first one should know which of the five-fucking-fillion variations of the BB Row he/she is trying to master for growth.

People get lost on their way with BB Row, I think because the tech is so easily played with.

They let their form ( determined by chosen BB Row Variation ) slip, week after week, until it becomes habit. Even a new ‘form’.

This is not seen so much on a bench as your position is fixed by said bench and people feel more accountable if they jerk around and shit to ‘press’, because the bench keeps people ‘honest.’

I think many don’t even know why they BB Row with their variation. And or that they have adopted poor form as their standard.

It seems most people don’t know that there are many BB Row variations, and their chosen one ( chosen almost arbitrarily it seems ) is not the only one.

BB Row looks so simple, but it is not. Trainees go astray because they think they got this down, bend over and row, simple shit right?

‘Back’ ( WTF is that talk about any ways, who says ‘today is ‘front’ day’ ? ) is so fucked.

I am with CC this thread is a shit-storm. Back off of the grumpy old weight lifter.

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[quote]TheSwami44 wrote:
Maybe I am an old-timer but I have always felt it was best to do rows more parallel to the floor (this was the way almost everyone did them before Yates came along). Generally speaking, I have found the greater range of motion= the more difficult the movement= more gains. Its like comparing half squats to full squats or rack pulls from the knees to conventional deadlifts. This is why many bbuilders choose dbs over bbs…greater stretch. In our gym we have a name for partial movement lifters, they are universally called “short strokers.” Not saying partials are not useful, just commenting on the benefits of full R.O.M. exercises. In this vid you can see Arnold doing bent rows on a block to increase his R.O.M. even greater than from the floor. But be prepared to decrease the weight by close to 1/2 of what you typically use.

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