Actually, I’ve never used creatine before. The only supplementation that I’ve used is protein powder, vit d and fish oil. Sorry I can’t give any input on that one.
Also, from your pic and stats, you look like you know your way around a gym. Again, do what works for you
I mean this in the nicest possible way…
You look like Kenny Powers from behind. But in better shape.
[quote]confusion wrote:
I’m just gonna throw out a few thoughts and see what happens.
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Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start
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Large protein intake isn’t necessary. Example 1-2 grams per lb of body weight is a waste of time and money. We don’t need that much
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Machines are fine and actually make sense. The “logic” behind using only iron is incorrect for reasons that should be obvious.
There’s a start anyway![/quote]
Its all in the delivery…
You didnt provide thoughts on what worked for you, you told us what you thought we (i.e. your audience) is doing wrong.
If your audience is a sedentary or geriatric based, then yeah one visit to the gym is a start, most if not all of us in the 035 section are seasoned lifters, who want more than simply getting a good sweat in and health. Honestly I dont lift weights for health, I lift weights for strength and size, and many if not all here are lifting for strength size and aesthetics. I compete in PLing and can assure you that one intense session per week FOR ME, will leave me going backwards.
I believe the total opposite with regards to “overtraining” most of us are NOT overtraining but are not sleeping, eating recovering properly. I do not believe it to be the same thing, for instance I busted in my ass in the gym 4 days a week of heavy intense lifting for about 21 weeks straight. I did break down, but not for being over-trained but for not doing the stuff outside of the gym that would prevent my breakdown.
Those guys who train in the traditional BB split 4-5 days a week, IMO are under and not over-training.
You are basically indirectly calling me an idiot as I mainly train with the “iron” I don’t see the logic in exclusively using machines, its not obvious to me. Machines Barbells and DBs all have their place…thats logical.
Lift with tepid attitude expect tepid results
Lift without listening to your body expect injury
Do not do the work outside the gym expect breakdown.
If you said “hey guys I am keeping a log here in the 035 section, while conventional wisdom would say I am wrong, I train one session, one intense session 1 time per week and reaching my goals.” You would not have gotten such an adverse reaction…you however told us what you felt we were doing wrong.
Fair enough. Didnt realize I was calling anyone an idiot. Regarding machines, i dont only use them. I think tho that they get trashed unfairly. Strict form with iron is fine and I like dumbells. But,if isolating a muscle and killing it as much as possible is the goal, machines can be useful. The only argument i can relate to about this is that machines may not be heavy enough. Stuff like you need to work the stabilizers and all may be true,but lets hit the big muscle groups with strict form. Correct? This is what machines force us to do if used properly.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
I’m just gonna throw out a few thoughts and see what happens.
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Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start
-
Large protein intake isn’t necessary. Example 1-2 grams per lb of body weight is a waste of time and money. We don’t need that much
-
Machines are fine and actually make sense. The “logic” behind using only iron is incorrect for reasons that should be obvious.
There’s a start anyway![/quote]
Its all in the delivery…
You didnt provide thoughts on what worked for you, you told us what you thought we (i.e. your audience) is doing wrong.
If your audience is a sedentary or geriatric based, then yeah one visit to the gym is a start, most if not all of us in the 035 section are seasoned lifters, who want more than simply getting a good sweat in and health. Honestly I dont lift weights for health, I lift weights for strength and size, and many if not all here are lifting for strength size and aesthetics. I compete in PLing and can assure you that one intense session per week FOR ME, will leave me going backwards.
I believe the total opposite with regards to “overtraining” most of us are NOT overtraining but are not sleeping, eating recovering properly. I do not believe it to be the same thing, for instance I busted in my ass in the gym 4 days a week of heavy intense lifting for about 21 weeks straight. I did break down, but not for being over-trained but for not doing the stuff outside of the gym that would prevent my breakdown.
Those guys who train in the traditional BB split 4-5 days a week, IMO are under and not over-training.
You are basically indirectly calling me an idiot as I mainly train with the “iron” I don’t see the logic in exclusively using machines, its not obvious to me. Machines Barbells and DBs all have their place…thats logical.
Lift with tepid attitude expect tepid results
Lift without listening to your body expect injury
Do not do the work outside the gym expect breakdown.
If you said “hey guys I am keeping a log here in the 035 section, while conventional wisdom would say I am wrong, I train one session, one intense session 1 time per week and reaching my goals.” You would not have gotten such an adverse reaction…you however told us what you felt we were doing wrong. [/quote]
This x 10000
I am a huge believer that there is no one-size-fits-all elixir in the fitness world. So I find it interesting to see what programming others achieve success with. I can say with certainty that one day a week of training would send me backwards fast since I seem to lose strength gains pretty quickly when my training lags or when I train too submaximally. Perhaps as important, however, is the fact that training only one day a week would be bad for me mentally. Lifting is a huge source of joy for me and something I greatly look forward to. One day a week just wouldn’t cut it for me.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Lifting is a huge source of joy for me and something I greatly look forward to. One day a week just wouldn’t cut it for me. [/quote]
I’m with ya there, kp. The older I get, the more I enjoy every workout. I’d do it every day if I thought it wouldn’t be counterproductive.
This has made me nostalgic, I haven’t seen a HIT throw down since the '90’s… 
Seriously, though, confusion, you should DEFINITELY start a log. Then everyone can see what you mean by what your saying and watch your progress. It is sort of the way this forum seems to work, and that is what makes me like it here.
This way we avoid the whole “he said/she said” bickering that is on so many of these forums. I think a quick read of the Bigger Stronger Leaner forum has a lot of people here turned off from threads just debating training/diet programs, and we want to invoke the Murtaugh Rule.
[quote]EyeDentist wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Lifting is a huge source of joy for me and something I greatly look forward to. One day a week just wouldn’t cut it for me. [/quote]
I’m with ya there, kp. The older I get, the more I enjoy every workout. I’d do it every day if I thought it wouldn’t be counterproductive.[/quote]
I do understand this. I also enjoy mine. Until I actually read and tried High Intensity Training, I couldn’t accept mentally that such infrequent training could work. Even then, i had to hold myself back at first to see if it could work. I’ve been battling serious alcoholism and depression over the last 5 years. Getting on here and speaking my mind is part of my catharsis. I will start a training log today and see what happens. Thanks. Confusion
Good luck getting over your demons bro…I too have mental / emotional issues, so I feel you.
OP … My 2 cents is that you are over emphasizing the recovery aspects of training while minimizing the stimulus … One day per week might “work” - but might not be optimal
Why not play with 2 or 3 workouts per week and gauge the results ? I can see the point that 5-6 days might not be necessary, but a muscle is only going to grow if it has been both stimulated to become bigger/ stronger AND has been provided the proper rest/recovery/ nutrients to make that happen … You are kind of 90% recovery and 10% stimulation here
I also agree with some others that the vast majority of gym goers are nowhere near " overtrained" … Not even close
[quote]confusion wrote:
I will start a training log today and see what happens.[/quote]
I think this is a great idea. Welcome aboard.
Velvet Elvis, It seems that where we disagree is the amount of stimulation the muscle needs to grow. I train to momentary muscular failure with as heavy a weight as possible. I believe that tells the muscle it needs to get bigger and stronger. I also get a lot done in a short time. There is very little warm up and only a few reps working up to handling the heavy working set. In essence, I’m warmed up within 10 reps or so. To me,if warmed up properly, the gradually increasing weight up to the working set wastes some of the energy required to make the working set truly pay off. Sort of like, the last rep or 2 are the growth reps, why not skip all the stuff that isn’t gonna make you grow and go growth reps? Perhaps,looking at it this way, I’m getting more done in a workout than most gym goers.
I got ya … But if I’m reading you correctly, you’re hitting your whole body in 45 mins - 1 hour (?) and then “resting” for 6 days (?)
Unless you leave the gym bleeding from your rectum and eyeballs, I don’t think a whole body workout for an hour or less is going to necessitate 6 days of recovery … And I’m “old” too (45)
Whatever works for you dude … I agree there are many ways to skin a cat … Just throwing out there that your “experiment” might be on the (extreme) low volume end … Maybe something like once every 4 or 5 days just to see what happens - you might double the gains you are experiencing now
But shit, what do I know … If you are happy and progressing to your satisfaction, that’s all that matters
Well I’ve committed to keeping a training log for a while,so I will do that first. Then I will give your method a try for a while. Cool?
You don’t have to change anything for me brother … Just playing devils advocate
Obviously we all think our personal routine is “the shit” or we wouldn’t be doing it!
Post your log - should definitely be interesting … And post the diet too if you can (at least protein totals) … I’d be very curious to see how that plays out
For me personally, I never noticed a difference between .5 to 1.0 grams protein per body weight … But when I bumped it to 1.5 to 2.0 things started happening, lol … Very interested to see your results over time with a lower percentage
MattXL, My ideas are for a natural lifter. Based on some posts of yours I,ve read,I get the idea that you may have some extra help in your workouts and recovery that allow for massive training. When you refer to 21 weeks 4 days a week
training hard. Is this practical in your mind for someone who isnt on gear?
[quote]confusion wrote:
MattXL, My ideas are for a natural lifter. Based on some posts of yours I,ve read,I get the idea that you may have some extra help in your workouts and recovery that allow for massive training. When you refer to 21 weeks 4 days a week
training hard. Is this practical in your mind for someone who isnt on gear?[/quote]
Nope no gear for me, I see you edited your comment. I was working with Mike Turscherer and used and his training style, called RTS…Reactive Training Systems. It incorporated Auto Regulation and will probably go back to it when healthy. I broke down because I began to ignore his recovery work protocols, approximately 10 weeks into the training.
[quote]confusion wrote:
I’m just gonna throw out a few thoughts and see what happens.
-
Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start
-
Large protein intake isn’t necessary. Example 1-2 grams per lb of body weight is a waste of time and money. We don’t need that much
-
Machines are fine and actually make sense. The “logic” behind using only iron is incorrect for reasons that should be obvious.
There’s a start anyway![/quote]
Im 54 and an Ex competitive jr. bodybuilder.Back in 1977 the thing was train each muscle group 3x per week. then came the 4-day split.Nowaday’s it’s like you say Train each bodypart 1 time per week,especiall if you are NOT On Testosterone injection’s.even when juiceing an older man can’t recover sufficiently?? At least in my case. 2nd the protein.I don’t believe a steroid free athlete can utilize those 1,or 2 gram’s per pound of bodyweight.The 3rd point is preference.In conclusion it agree with your hypothesis. thank’s john